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From: Invisible
Subject: PR nonesense
Date: 26 Oct 2010 10:11:57
Message: <4cc6e1ad@news.povray.org>
http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/411

"We believe customers should feel safe shopping in our stores."

"We strongly recommend that [customers] carefully review their credit 
card and debit card statements and other account information for 
unauthorized use."

Uh, so which one is it then? :-P


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: PR nonesense
Date: 26 Oct 2010 11:23:13
Message: <4cc6f261$1@news.povray.org>
On 26/10/2010 3:11 PM, Invisible wrote:
> http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/411
>
> "We believe customers should feel safe shopping in our stores."
>
> "We strongly recommend that [customers] carefully review their credit
> card and debit card statements and other account information for
> unauthorized use."
>
> Uh, so which one is it then? :-P

Both.

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Best Regards,
	Stephen


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: PR nonesense
Date: 27 Oct 2010 16:11:00
Message: <4CC88759.3070504@gmail.com>
On 26-10-2010 17:23, Stephen wrote:
> On 26/10/2010 3:11 PM, Invisible wrote:
>> http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/411
>>
>> "We believe customers should feel safe shopping in our stores."
>>
>> "We strongly recommend that [customers] carefully review their credit
>> card and debit card statements and other account information for
>> unauthorized use."
>>
>> Uh, so which one is it then? :-P
>
> Both.
>
seconded.

"We believe customers should feel safe shopping in our stores." That 
simply means that in a utopian society everybody will feel safe. You can 
not blame them that reality is different. You might read it as if they 
are actively trying to make the customer feel safer. Any human saying 
that to you might actually mean that, but this is no human talking.

"We strongly recommend that [customers] carefully review their credit
card and debit card statements and other account information for
unauthorized use." Means: We know we make mistakes, we know that almost 
nobody checks. Hence if we foul up, we blame the customer.

So, the former statement is void and the latter is a disclaimer. They in 
no way contradict each other.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: PR nonesense
Date: 27 Oct 2010 16:13:30
Message: <4cc887ea$1@news.povray.org>
On 27/10/2010 9:11 PM, andrel wrote:
> On 26-10-2010 17:23, Stephen wrote:
>> On 26/10/2010 3:11 PM, Invisible wrote:
>>> http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/411
>>>
>>> "We believe customers should feel safe shopping in our stores."
>>>
>>> "We strongly recommend that [customers] carefully review their credit
>>> card and debit card statements and other account information for
>>> unauthorized use."
>>>
>>> Uh, so which one is it then? :-P
>>
>> Both.
>>
> seconded.
>
Thirded ;-)


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Best Regards,
	Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: PR nonesense
Date: 27 Oct 2010 17:06:46
Message: <4cc89466$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 21:13:35 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 27/10/2010 9:11 PM, andrel wrote:
>> On 26-10-2010 17:23, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 26/10/2010 3:11 PM, Invisible wrote:
>>>> http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/411
>>>>
>>>> "We believe customers should feel safe shopping in our stores."
>>>>
>>>> "We strongly recommend that [customers] carefully review their credit
>>>> card and debit card statements and other account information for
>>>> unauthorized use."
>>>>
>>>> Uh, so which one is it then? :-P
>>>
>>> Both.
>>>
>> seconded.
>>
> Thirded ;-)

Fourthed. :-)

Jim


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: PR nonesense
Date: 27 Oct 2010 17:11:59
Message: <4cc8959f$1@news.povray.org>
On 27/10/2010 10:06 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:

> Fourthed. :-)

Hell, just don't FORTH it. o_O

-- 
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: PR nonesense
Date: 27 Oct 2010 17:33:43
Message: <4cc89ab7$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:11:54 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> On 27/10/2010 10:06 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>> Fourthed. :-)
> 
> Hell, just don't FORTH it. o_O

Just wanted to see if anyone would notice. ;-)

Jim


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: PR nonesense
Date: 27 Oct 2010 17:44:02
Message: <4cc89d22$1@news.povray.org>
andrel wrote:
> On 26-10-2010 17:23, Stephen wrote:
>> On 26/10/2010 3:11 PM, Invisible wrote:
>>> http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/411
>>>
>>> "We believe customers should feel safe shopping in our stores."
>>>
>>> "We strongly recommend that [customers] carefully review their credit
>>> card and debit card statements and other account information for
>>> unauthorized use."
>>>
>>> Uh, so which one is it then? :-P
>>
>> Both.
>>
> seconded.

Nah. If you read the article, they say basically "Someone broke in and stole 
stuff. You should check your statement. But we've fixed the problem now so 
you should feel safe shopping here again."

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Serving Suggestion:
     "Don't serve this any more. It's awful."


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: PR nonesense
Date: 28 Oct 2010 04:02:27
Message: <4cc92e13$1@news.povray.org>
On 27/10/2010 10:44 PM, Darren New wrote:

> Nah. If you read the article, they say basically "Someone broke in and
> stole stuff. You should check your statement. But we've fixed the
> problem now so you should feel safe shopping here again."

Heh, yeah. Like "we were so lax in our security that thousands of people 
are now fraud victims. But please don't let that stop you shopping here, 
it's quite safe..."

Er, right.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: PR nonesense
Date: 28 Oct 2010 11:39:13
Message: <4cc99921$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:02:46 +0100, Invisible wrote:

> On 27/10/2010 10:44 PM, Darren New wrote:
> 
>> Nah. If you read the article, they say basically "Someone broke in and
>> stole stuff. You should check your statement. But we've fixed the
>> problem now so you should feel safe shopping here again."
> 
> Heh, yeah. Like "we were so lax in our security that thousands of people
> are now fraud victims. But please don't let that stop you shopping here,
> it's quite safe..."
> 
> Er, right.

"We learned something from the experience and have changed things because 
our goal is for our customers to feel safe shopping with us.  We screwed 
up and we're sorry, but we've addressed the issue now."

Jim


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