On 27/10/2010 9:11 PM, andrel wrote:
> On 26-10-2010 17:23, Stephen wrote:
>> On 26/10/2010 3:11 PM, Invisible wrote:
>>> http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/411
>>>
>>> "We believe customers should feel safe shopping in our stores."
>>>
>>> "We strongly recommend that [customers] carefully review their credit
>>> card and debit card statements and other account information for
>>> unauthorized use."
>>>
>>> Uh, so which one is it then? :-P
>>
>> Both.
>>
> seconded.
>
Thirded ;-)


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On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 21:13:35 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 27/10/2010 9:11 PM, andrel wrote:
>> On 26-10-2010 17:23, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 26/10/2010 3:11 PM, Invisible wrote:
>>>> http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/411
>>>>
>>>> "We believe customers should feel safe shopping in our stores."
>>>>
>>>> "We strongly recommend that [customers] carefully review their credit
>>>> card and debit card statements and other account information for
>>>> unauthorized use."
>>>>
>>>> Uh, so which one is it then? :-P
>>>
>>> Both.
>>>
>> seconded.
>>
> Thirded ;-)

Fourthed. :-)

Jim

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On 27/10/2010 10:06 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:

> Fourthed. :-)

Hell, just don't FORTH it. o_O

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On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:11:54 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> On 27/10/2010 10:06 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>> Fourthed. :-)
> 
> Hell, just don't FORTH it. o_O

Just wanted to see if anyone would notice. ;-)

Jim

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andrel wrote:
> On 26-10-2010 17:23, Stephen wrote:
>> On 26/10/2010 3:11 PM, Invisible wrote:
>>> http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/411
>>>
>>> "We believe customers should feel safe shopping in our stores."
>>>
>>> "We strongly recommend that [customers] carefully review their credit
>>> card and debit card statements and other account information for
>>> unauthorized use."
>>>
>>> Uh, so which one is it then? :-P
>>
>> Both.
>>
> seconded.

Nah. If you read the article, they say basically "Someone broke in and stole 
stuff. You should check your statement. But we've fixed the problem now so 
you should feel safe shopping here again."

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On 27/10/2010 10:44 PM, Darren New wrote:

> Nah. If you read the article, they say basically "Someone broke in and
> stole stuff. You should check your statement. But we've fixed the
> problem now so you should feel safe shopping here again."

Heh, yeah. Like "we were so lax in our security that thousands of people 
are now fraud victims. But please don't let that stop you shopping here, 
it's quite safe..."

Er, right.

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On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:02:46 +0100, Invisible wrote:

> On 27/10/2010 10:44 PM, Darren New wrote:
> 
>> Nah. If you read the article, they say basically "Someone broke in and
>> stole stuff. You should check your statement. But we've fixed the
>> problem now so you should feel safe shopping here again."
> 
> Heh, yeah. Like "we were so lax in our security that thousands of people
> are now fraud victims. But please don't let that stop you shopping here,
> it's quite safe..."
> 
> Er, right.

"We learned something from the experience and have changed things because 
our goal is for our customers to feel safe shopping with us.  We screwed 
up and we're sorry, but we've addressed the issue now."

Jim

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>> Heh, yeah. Like "we were so lax in our security that thousands of people
>> are now fraud victims. But please don't let that stop you shopping here,
>> it's quite safe..."
>>
>> Er, right.
>
> "We learned something from the experience and have changed things because
> our goal is for our customers to feel safe shopping with us.  We screwed
> up and we're sorry, but we've addressed the issue now."

See, maybe I'm just too cynical. I rather suspect that they actually 
changed nothing at all, they just don't want to go bankrupt when all 
their customers run away...

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On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 16:45:42 +0100, Invisible wrote:

>>> Heh, yeah. Like "we were so lax in our security that thousands of
>>> people are now fraud victims. But please don't let that stop you
>>> shopping here, it's quite safe..."
>>>
>>> Er, right.
>>
>> "We learned something from the experience and have changed things
>> because our goal is for our customers to feel safe shopping with us. 
>> We screwed up and we're sorry, but we've addressed the issue now."
> 
> See, maybe I'm just too cynical. I rather suspect that they actually
> changed nothing at all, they just don't want to go bankrupt when all
> their customers run away...

You're not old enough to be that cynical. ;-)

Seriously, they may not have changed anything, but it's more likely that 
they did change something and aren't disclosing the specifics of what 
they changed so as to protect their customers.  That's probably what I'd 
do - never give the 'bad guys' any additional information they can use to 
game the system or steal from people.

Jim

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> You're not old enough to be that cynical. ;-)

O RLY?

> Seriously, they may not have changed anything, but it's more likely that
> they did change something and aren't disclosing the specifics of what
> they changed so as to protect their customers.  That's probably what I'd
> do - never give the 'bad guys' any additional information they can use to
> game the system or steal from people.

Well, from what I read, they got hacked because they had little to no 
security at all. (Specifically, somebody got access to their wireless 
network because it was WEP, and then the traffic on that network was 
completely unencrypted so they could just do whatever they wanted...)

While I imagine it's probably WPA and they probably put in a few 
firewalls and a little authentication, I sorely doubt that any company 
who failed to see what a spectacularly insecure system they'd built in 
the first place would know how to *properly* secure their systems.

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