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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Sometimes ....
Date: 1 Oct 2010 13:26:09
Message: <4ca619b1$1@news.povray.org>
The way software around here is written makes me want to poke my eyes 
out. Today is one of those days.

What should have been a simple task is anything but!

I don't know whose idea it was to implement business logic in SQL code, 
but it sure makes debugging a PITA when you can't freaking debug on the 
server :(
-- 
~Mike


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Sometimes ....
Date: 1 Oct 2010 21:10:24
Message: <4ca68680$1@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford wrote:
> The way software around here is written makes me want to poke my eyes 
> out. Today is one of those days.

Let me know when you're debugging assertion errors in library code for which 
you don't have the source, and for which the include files don't match the 
declarations in the .so files, and for which there isn't enough memory to 
run the code under the debugger.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Serving Suggestion:
     "Don't serve this any more. It's awful."


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Sometimes ....
Date: 4 Oct 2010 09:40:28
Message: <4ca9d94c$1@news.povray.org>
On 10/1/2010 8:10 PM, Darren New wrote:
> Mike Raiford wrote:
>> The way software around here is written makes me want to poke my eyes
>> out. Today is one of those days.
>
> Let me know when you're debugging assertion errors in library code for
> which you don't have the source, and for which the include files don't
> match the declarations in the .so files, and for which there isn't
> enough memory to run the code under the debugger.
>

Eh... I'm sure you can do machine-level stepping, at least. ;)

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~Mike


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Sometimes ....
Date: 4 Oct 2010 12:15:08
Message: <4ca9fd8c$1@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford wrote:
> Eh... I'm sure you can do machine-level stepping, at least. ;)

Nope. Indeed, the whole system is set up to prevent being debugged.

I suppose if we built a special unsigned build and spent a few dozen grand 
per developer on a JTAG we could figure out how to do it.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Serving Suggestion:
     "Don't serve this any more. It's awful."


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Sometimes ....
Date: 4 Oct 2010 15:52:56
Message: <4caa3098@news.povray.org>
Darren New escreveu:
> Mike Raiford wrote:
>> Eh... I'm sure you can do machine-level stepping, at least. ;)
> 
> Nope. Indeed, the whole system is set up to prevent being debugged.

see why proprietary software is evil? ;)

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Sometimes ....
Date: 4 Oct 2010 17:10:13
Message: <4caa42b5$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> Darren New escreveu:
>> Mike Raiford wrote:
>>> Eh... I'm sure you can do machine-level stepping, at least. ;)
>>
>> Nope. Indeed, the whole system is set up to prevent being debugged.
> 
> see why proprietary software is evil? ;)
> 

It's not proprietary software per se. It's DRM. Oh, and the fact that much 
of the interesting code doesn't actually run on the CPU as such.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Serving Suggestion:
     "Don't serve this any more. It's awful."


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Sometimes ....
Date: 5 Oct 2010 09:40:38
Message: <4cab2ad6$1@news.povray.org>
On 10/4/2010 4:10 PM, Darren New wrote:

> It's not proprietary software per se. It's DRM. Oh, and the fact that

DRM sucks. :P

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~Mike


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Sometimes ....
Date: 5 Oct 2010 11:47:55
Message: <4cab48ab$1@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford wrote:
> On 10/4/2010 4:10 PM, Darren New wrote:
> 
>> It's not proprietary software per se. It's DRM. Oh, and the fact that
> 
> DRM sucks. :P

Explaining to your boss why even if he gives you all the files, you still 
can't figure out why it went wrong this one time... that's what sucks.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Serving Suggestion:
     "Don't serve this any more. It's awful."


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Sometimes ....
Date: 5 Oct 2010 12:41:39
Message: <4cab5543$1@news.povray.org>
On 10/5/2010 10:47 AM, Darren New wrote:
> Mike Raiford wrote:
>> On 10/4/2010 4:10 PM, Darren New wrote:
>>
>>> It's not proprietary software per se. It's DRM. Oh, and the fact that
>>
>> DRM sucks. :P
>
> Explaining to your boss why even if he gives you all the files, you
> still can't figure out why it went wrong this one time... that's what
> sucks.
>

A situation in which, if it weren't for DRM, you wouldn't be in... ;P

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~Mike


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Sometimes ....
Date: 5 Oct 2010 12:57:22
Message: <4cab58f2$1@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford wrote:
> On 10/5/2010 10:47 AM, Darren New wrote:
>> Mike Raiford wrote:
>>> On 10/4/2010 4:10 PM, Darren New wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's not proprietary software per se. It's DRM. Oh, and the fact that
>>>
>>> DRM sucks. :P
>>
>> Explaining to your boss why even if he gives you all the files, you
>> still can't figure out why it went wrong this one time... that's what
>> sucks.
>>
> 
> A situation in which, if it weren't for DRM, you wouldn't be in... ;P

Well, yes. I wasn't arguing, there. :-)


Now I'm having fun of "that company says they serve media like *this*, so I 
need to write code to read *this*."   "Have you actually seen the media? 
Because that type of media can't be served the way you say."  "No, I'm 
waiting for a URL, but I'm half done writing the code."

Right up there with "Can you fix the bug with *that* media format?"  "Do you 
have any samples that actually trigger the bug, because the code itself 
looks like it handles the condition."   "No, no samples, but people are 
telling me it doesn't work."

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Serving Suggestion:
     "Don't serve this any more. It's awful."


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