On 02/09/2010 04:29 PM, Stephen wrote:


> anyone have any recommendations for a free newsreader for Win7.

Thunderbird has a few annoying quirks - most especially, the broken 
threading bug which has existed since Thunderbird was part of the 
"Mozilla suite" yet still hasn't been fixed. (Or rather, Bugzilla claims 
it *has* been fixed, and that to fix it you need to do a complex 
sequence of configuration changes... which never actually work.)

The annoyance of the spell checker never working seems to be gone now, 
so that's something. I also wish quoting was a little less 
unpredictable, but hey.

Unfortunately, the only other newsreader for Windows that I know of is 
Outlook Express. Obviously, this sucks like hell.

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>> It's almost like installing a new version of MS Office. All the
>> functionality is the same, but all the buttons have moved around! Most
>> particularly, the Reply button is now in the message header rather than
>> the toolbar
>
> Less mouse movement to reach the "reply" button, I guess.

Maybe. But it's going to take months for me to finally remember where to 
look for it now.

> Personally, I like how they hid "Reply all".

I had removed that years ago anyway. I hadn't even noticed it's hidden 
by default now.

>> Apparently there's an add-on to make the header smaller. In fact, it
>> seems that with this new release, almost everything of interest is a
>> separate add-on rather than a built-in feature.
>
> Your "everything of interest" may not be my "everything of interest".
> Less bloatware.

Being able to configure which columns show up isn't exactly an advanced 
feature. It's a basic function of the software. But now instead of being 
built-in, you have to install a special add-on to enable it again. 
Bloatware? Now I have to install a dozen poorly-supported 3rd-party 
add-ons just to get the functionality I should be getting out-of-the-box.

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Mike Raiford wrote:
> It does have its place, though. Sometimes what you want to say is 
> relevant to all parties involved. Most of the time its not.

I find it depends to a great extent on whether it's personal communication 
or intra-business communication. I almost never reply to only the sender 
when I'm answering a question CC'ed to half a dozen work colleagues.

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Invisible wrote:
>> Personally, I like how they hid "Reply all".

Does it have a functioning resend operation? Or just forward?

> Being able to configure which columns show up isn't exactly an advanced 
> feature. It's a basic function of the software. 

I'm honestly rather surprised it's not built into the GUI at a fundamental 
level like scrolling is. :-)

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On 2-9-2010 14:43, Francois Labreque wrote:

>> I just updated to Thunderbird 3.1.2
>>
>> It's almost like installing a new version of MS Office. All the
>> functionality is the same, but all the buttons have moved around! Most
>> particularly, the Reply button is now in the message header rather than
>> the toolbar, which means the header is bigger now. In other words,
>> you've got the thread list at the top, the message at the bottom, and a
>> large useless grey header bar wasting space in the middle. Great.
>
> Less mouse movement to reach the "reply" button, I guess.
>
> Personally, I like how they hid "Reply all".

Does anybody know where the 'next' message button has gone to?

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On 02/09/2010 4:54 PM, Invisible wrote:
>
> Thunderbird has a few annoying quirks - most especially, the broken
> threading bug which has existed since Thunderbird was part of the
> "Mozilla suite" yet still hasn't been fixed. (Or rather, Bugzilla claims
> it *has* been fixed, and that to fix it you need to do a complex
> sequence of configuration changes... which never actually work.)
>

For me it works sometimes in some groups but not in my email accounts.

> The annoyance of the spell checker never working seems to be gone now,
> so that's something. I also wish quoting was a little less
> unpredictable, but hey.
>

I've not noticed any problems with "quoting"

> Unfortunately, the only other newsreader for Windows that I know of is
> Outlook Express. Obviously, this sucks like hell.

I used to use Free Agent but it is no longer free. I might have to pay 
for one (OMG)

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>> Being able to configure which columns show up isn't exactly an
>> advanced feature. It's a basic function of the software.
>
> I'm honestly rather surprised it's not built into the GUI at a
> fundamental level like scrolling is. :-)

Well, yeah, you would think...

Then again, how many programs have you seen where you can't even resize 
a window?

My favourite is the one where you see what user profiles are on your 
computer. My Computer > Properties > Advanced > User Profiles. You get a 
great big window, with a tiny little scrollable list in the middle, and 
there's no way to resize either the list or the window itself. I mean, 
really, WTF?

(Maybe they fixed that in Vista. I don't know.)

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> On 2-9-2010 14:43, Francois Labreque wrote:

>>> I just updated to Thunderbird 3.1.2
>>>
>>> It's almost like installing a new version of MS Office. All the
>>> functionality is the same, but all the buttons have moved around! Most
>>> particularly, the Reply button is now in the message header rather than
>>> the toolbar, which means the header is bigger now. In other words,
>>> you've got the thread list at the top, the message at the bottom, and a
>>> large useless grey header bar wasting space in the middle. Great.
>>
>> Less mouse movement to reach the "reply" button, I guess.
>>
>> Personally, I like how they hid "Reply all".
>
> Does anybody know where the 'next' message button has gone to?
>

On your keyboard.  ;-)

"F" for next message.
"N" for next unread
"B" for previous message.
"P" for previous unread message.

Or in the "Go to" menu.

Or right-click on the tool bar and personalize it to your taste.

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On 3-9-2010 15:00, Francois Labreque wrote:

>> On 2-9-2010 14:43, Francois Labreque wrote:

>>>> I just updated to Thunderbird 3.1.2
>>>>
>>>> It's almost like installing a new version of MS Office. All the
>>>> functionality is the same, but all the buttons have moved around! Most
>>>> particularly, the Reply button is now in the message header rather than
>>>> the toolbar, which means the header is bigger now. In other words,
>>>> you've got the thread list at the top, the message at the bottom, and a
>>>> large useless grey header bar wasting space in the middle. Great.
>>>
>>> Less mouse movement to reach the "reply" button, I guess.
>>>
>>> Personally, I like how they hid "Reply all".
>>
>> Does anybody know where the 'next' message button has gone to?
>>
>
> On your keyboard. ;-)
>
> "F" for next message.
> "N" for next unread
> "B" for previous message.
> "P" for previous unread message.

I knew that, but I generally browse my mail with my right hand on the 
trackball. Using the keyboard means I have to sit up straight again.

>
> Or in the "Go to" menu.

Sure, but a rather round about way with way to many mouse gestures to my 
taste.

> Or right-click on the tool bar and personalize it to your taste.

Ah, I tried to customize the new toolbar above the message but the 
button was not in that list. Apparently next message can only be in the 
general toolbar on top. Makes no sense to me, I still have to mouse a 
long way. Anyway this is what I was used to, so I also added the 
forward, the reply, and the reply to all there, just I have almost 
succeeded in undoing all improvements.
Thanks for the reply, it made me look in the place where it used to be 
but where I didn't expect it any more because I assumed they would be 
consistent.

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Invisible wrote:
> Then again, how many programs have you seen where you can't even resize 
> a window?

Or worse, people who don't bother to look at how big text is before they lay 
out their window, so cut off half the text if you're not using the same font 
size as the authors.

But yes, this is bascially the problem that for many years there were no 
Windows graphics APIs that took anchors and stretch-factors and such and 
resized things automatically to fit the window. I've never seen this on (for 
example) a Tcl interface, where it's easier to do it right than wrong.

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