On 8/26/2010 9:57 AM, Tom Austin wrote:

>
> I guess I am likely to get a nice letter int he mail stating that I owe
> $3.43 in tolls and $135 in fines for not paying the tolls int he first
> place.
>

Yeah, what Darren said ... The rental company will probably absorb the 
toll fees. Either that or they'll send you a bill for the tolls... But 
there's no fine.

What's fun is the 190 turnpike (George Bush Turnpike) used to have toll 
booths, but they move to all-electronic. So you have these huge slabs of 
concrete collecting dust...

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~Mike

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On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:50:51 -0500, Mike Raiford wrote:

> On 8/26/2010 3:16 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>
>> You can take the frontage road and avoid the toll, at least I did when
>> I was last at DFW (a few years ago now).
>>
>>
> You can do that? Huh... I had no idea.

I didn't either the first time - but then was rather annoyed when the nav 
system in the car put me on a toll road for < 0.25 mile (basically I had 
to pay getting on and getting off two ramps), so I (think I) asked my 
class about it, and they told me about the frontage roads.

Maybe it's changed since then, it's been probably 5 years ago now (where 
DOES the time go?)

> Well... the toll booths serve a dual purpose, really. You're paying for
> parking. If you leave your vehicle in the lot next to the terminal, you
> get charged by the day (or hour, depending on how long you're there) It
> used to be a nice shortcut for people getting from north of the airport
> to south of the airport, though now the new turnpike makes it less
> tempting to use as a shortcut.

Hmmm...

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> system in the car put me on a toll road for < 0.25 mile (basically I had 
> to pay getting on and getting off two ramps), so I (think I) asked my 
> class about it, and they told me about the frontage roads.

Yeah. That's the other expressways around there. I don't think that's the 
road actually inside the airport.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:14:30 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> system in the car put me on a toll road for < 0.25 mile (basically I
>> had to pay getting on and getting off two ramps), so I (think I) asked
>> my class about it, and they told me about the frontage roads.
> 
> Yeah. That's the other expressways around there. I don't think that's
> the road actually inside the airport.

Yeah, that short toll bit wasn't near the airport, but the frontage roads 
I was talking about were in/out of the airport property.

Jim

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On 8/27/2010 5:10 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>
> Yeah, that short toll bit wasn't near the airport, but the frontage roads
> I was talking about were in/out of the airport property.
>
> Jim

Can you get to the terminals via the frontage road?

This seems like a huge hole in their scheme to charge for parking ....
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~Mike

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On 8/27/2010 12:55 PM, Mike Raiford wrote:
> On 8/26/2010 9:57 AM, Tom Austin wrote:
>
>>
>> I guess I am likely to get a nice letter int he mail stating that I owe
>> $3.43 in tolls and $135 in fines for not paying the tolls int he first
>> place.
>>
>
> Yeah, what Darren said ... The rental company will probably absorb the
> toll fees. Either that or they'll send you a bill for the tolls... But
> there's no fine.
>

I wasn't worried at the time - just annoyed that there was nothing 
stating how it worked.


> What's fun is the 190 turnpike (George Bush Turnpike) used to have toll
> booths, but they move to all-electronic. So you have these huge slabs of
> concrete collecting dust...
>

I haven't been through Texas much - mostly the pan-handle on I-40.  Do 
drivers still have to drive through the toll booths or did they change 
something?

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On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:29:19 -0500, Mike Raiford wrote:

> On 8/27/2010 5:10 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, that short toll bit wasn't near the airport, but the frontage
>> roads I was talking about were in/out of the airport property.
>>
>> Jim
> 
> Can you get to the terminals via the frontage road?

Not 100% sure, since I only ever had a rental car, so was going from the 
rental car pick-up/drop off point.

> This seems like a huge hole in their scheme to charge for parking ....

Only for those who know about it.  IIRC, it wasn't very well marked, so 
it seems they're counting on people who are unfamiliar with the roads 
just taking the easy way (always easier too when it's someone else's 
money you're spending - I just hate doing paperwork for reimbursement for 
tolls).

Jim

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On 8/30/2010 12:27 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:29:19 -0500, Mike Raiford wrote:
>
>> On 8/27/2010 5:10 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, that short toll bit wasn't near the airport, but the frontage
>>> roads I was talking about were in/out of the airport property.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>
>> Can you get to the terminals via the frontage road?
>
> Not 100% sure, since I only ever had a rental car, so was going from the
> rental car pick-up/drop off point.
>

Oh, yeah ... the rental area. Of course :)

>> This seems like a huge hole in their scheme to charge for parking ....
>
> Only for those who know about it.  IIRC, it wasn't very well marked, so
> it seems they're counting on people who are unfamiliar with the roads
> just taking the easy way (always easier too when it's someone else's
> money you're spending - I just hate doing paperwork for reimbursement for
> tolls).
>

True. I remember taking some out of town visitors back to the airport 
(following their rental car, actually) I seem to remember they had a 
little map that showed where to return the car.

-- 
~Mike

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On 8/30/2010 12:12 PM, Tom Austin wrote:

>
> I haven't been through Texas much - mostly the pan-handle on I-40. Do
> drivers still have to drive through the toll booths or did they change
> something?
>

It depends. On the GBT, the toll plazas are still there, but you drive 
through the "Tolltag" lanes. On many of the exits, the toll booths are 
still there, so in that case you do.

On new roads, there's just a gantry that you drive under with the 
sensors on it.

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~Mike

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On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:10:08 -0500, Mike Raiford wrote:

> On 8/30/2010 12:27 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:29:19 -0500, Mike Raiford wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/27/2010 5:10 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, that short toll bit wasn't near the airport, but the frontage
>>>> roads I was talking about were in/out of the airport property.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>
>>> Can you get to the terminals via the frontage road?
>>
>> Not 100% sure, since I only ever had a rental car, so was going from
>> the rental car pick-up/drop off point.
>>
>>
> Oh, yeah ... the rental area. Of course :)

Yeah, never had to drive my own car there. ;-)

>>> This seems like a huge hole in their scheme to charge for parking ....
>>
>> Only for those who know about it.  IIRC, it wasn't very well marked, so
>> it seems they're counting on people who are unfamiliar with the roads
>> just taking the easy way (always easier too when it's someone else's
>> money you're spending - I just hate doing paperwork for reimbursement
>> for tolls).
>>
>>
> True. I remember taking some out of town visitors back to the airport
> (following their rental car, actually) I seem to remember they had a
> little map that showed where to return the car.

I had a GPS.  "Hertz Everlost". ;-)

Jim

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