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OK people, it's Internet diagnosis time!
So yesterday I was feeling fine. And then around 3PM, I started to
develop a headache. Now I should point out that for me, a headache is a
very rare event. And I still have *no idea* what caused this one. It's
conspicuous that yesterday was my first day back at work after a week
off, but other than that I can't think of anything unusual that might
have been the cause.
Initially my eyes just felt sore, but that progressed to a stabbing pain
in my eyes until the whole front of my skull felt like it was being
crushed. I thought perhaps I was dehydrated, but no amount of drinking
fixed it. I tried closing my eyes to rest them, but that did nothing
either. And before I left work, I ate a bunch of painkillers - which
also did nothing. (!)
I don't know how I drove home. I'm sitting behind the wheel rubbing my
head and just wishing I could crawl into bed and quietly die. Obviously,
I got stuck behind every possible slow-moving vehicle, just to prolong
my suffering as long as humanly possible. (I especially remember the
2-mile long queue behind a tractor doing 20 MPH.)
My plan was to get home, eat something (I'm quite hungry by now) and go
to bed. Naturally, given my blatently obvious distress, my mother
refused to lift a finger to help me prepair food and did everything in
her power to slow the process down as much as possible to further
prolong the agony.
This is where things get really weird. I ate a bunch of painkillers over
an hour ago, and they still haven't had any effect. But as soon as I
started eating food, within literally *minutes* my headache almost
completely vanished. WTF is *that* about?!
Well anyway, I missed my dance class last night (and you *know* it's
serious if _I_ miss dancing for /anything/). Unfortunately, even after a
good meal, I still felt too nausious for jiggling around a dancefloor.
But by a bit later in the evening, I felt perfectly fine.
I still don't know WTF the problem was in the first place... very weird!
Any unsubstantiated theories? Wild speculation? Baseless diagnosis?
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On 10/08/2010 9:20 AM, Invisible wrote:
> Any unsubstantiated theories? Wild speculation? Baseless diagnosis?
Possibly hypoglycaemia.
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Best Regards,
Stephen
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Stephen wrote:
> On 10/08/2010 9:20 AM, Invisible wrote:
>> Any unsubstantiated theories? Wild speculation? Baseless diagnosis?
>
> Possibly hypoglycaemia.
That was my thought too. However, it seems hypoglycaemia produces a wide
range of symptons, and I only had one of them.
Also... why the **** would I suddenly have hypoglycaemia one day? It's
not as if I've just had a blood transfusion or I haven't eaten for
months or anything...
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On 2010-08-10 04:20, Invisible wrote:
> This is where things get really weird. I ate a bunch of painkillers over
> an hour ago, and they still haven't had any effect. But as soon as I
> started eating food, within literally *minutes* my headache almost
> completely vanished. WTF is *that* about?!
>
> Any unsubstantiated theories? Wild speculation? Baseless diagnosis?
Sounds like the migraines I get that are triggered by (and corrected by
fixing) my poor sleep/eating habits. They can also be triggered by
sudden change in caffeine level in body.
--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.freesitespace.net
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Am 10.08.2010 11:08, schrieb Stephen:
> On 10/08/2010 9:20 AM, Invisible wrote:
>> Any unsubstantiated theories? Wild speculation? Baseless diagnosis?
Will random guesses do as well? :-)
> Possibly hypoglycaemia.
Was my first thought, too. Though it doesn't fit the symptoms I
experienced myself in such cases, but maybe that's just "personal style".
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On 10/08/2010 10:57 AM, Invisible wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>> On 10/08/2010 9:20 AM, Invisible wrote:
>>> Any unsubstantiated theories? Wild speculation? Baseless diagnosis?
>>
>> Possibly hypoglycaemia.
>
> That was my thought too. However, it seems hypoglycaemia produces a wide
> range of symptons, and I only had one of them.
>
It is not obligatory to have all the symptoms. ;-)
> Also... why the **** would I suddenly have hypoglycaemia one day? It's
> not as if I've just had a blood transfusion or I haven't eaten for
> months or anything...
It is a judgement from One on High for swearing with asterisks. How the
feck would I know? :-P
Maybe you are developing Humiglumitis.
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Best Regards,
Stephen
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Tim Cook wrote:
> On 2010-08-10 04:20, Invisible wrote:
>> This is where things get really weird. I ate a bunch of painkillers over
>> an hour ago, and they still haven't had any effect. But as soon as I
>> started eating food, within literally *minutes* my headache almost
>> completely vanished. WTF is *that* about?!
>>
>> Any unsubstantiated theories? Wild speculation? Baseless diagnosis?
>
> Sounds like the migraines I get that are triggered by (and corrected by
> fixing) my poor sleep/eating habits. They can also be triggered by
> sudden change in caffeine level in body.
As far as I can tell, there has been no change in my sleep pattern,
eating habits, or the amount of caffine I'm taking.
Perhaps I drank less tea on Monday. However, the "tea" that I drink
might more accurately be described as "warm milky sugar-syrup with trace
amounts of leaf tannins". Surely the amount of caffine it contains is
negligable. And besides, I tried drinking more and it had no effect. Nor
have I ever suffered tea withdrawal symtoms before.
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>>> Any unsubstantiated theories? Wild speculation? Baseless diagnosis?
>
> Will random guesses do as well? :-)
Sure, why not?
>> Possibly hypoglycaemia.
>
> Was my first thought, too. Though it doesn't fit the symptoms I
> experienced myself in such cases, but maybe that's just "personal style".
I gather one of the other symptons is nausia, which seems kind of ironic
given that the best cure is apparently to eat something...
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>>> Possibly hypoglycaemia.
>>
>> That was my thought too. However, it seems hypoglycaemia produces a wide
>> range of symptons, and I only had one of them.
>
> It is not obligatory to have all the symptoms. ;-)
Sure. But only one of them? That's kind of improbable.
>> Also... why the **** would I suddenly have hypoglycaemia one day? It's
>> not as if I've just had a blood transfusion or I haven't eaten for
>> months or anything...
>
> It is a judgement from One on High for swearing with asterisks.
Oh goodie...
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> So yesterday I was feeling fine. And then around 3PM, I started to develop
> a headache. Now I should point out that for me, a headache is a very rare
> event. And I still have *no idea* what caused this one. It's conspicuous
> that yesterday was my first day back at work after a week off,
I pretty much only get headaches on the first day back at work after some
time off. I just put it down to suddenly having to concentrate for 8 hours
a day without moving about much, and didn't really think any more about it.
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scott wrote:
>> So yesterday I was feeling fine. And then around 3PM, I started to
>> develop a headache. Now I should point out that for me, a headache is
>> a very rare event. And I still have *no idea* what caused this one.
>> It's conspicuous that yesterday was my first day back at work after a
>> week off,
>
> I pretty much only get headaches on the first day back at work after
> some time off. I just put it down to suddenly having to concentrate for
> 8 hours a day without moving about much, and didn't really think any
> more about it.
If by "concentrate for 8 hours a day without moving much" you mean
"spend all day at work surfing the Internet like what I did at home
during every single day of my week off", then... oh, wait...
(And, as I say, I almost *never* have headaches. Certainly it's not a
routine thing for me.)
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Tim Cook <z99### [at] gmail com> wrote:
> Sounds like the migraines I get that are triggered by (and corrected by
> fixing) my poor sleep/eating habits. They can also be triggered by
> sudden change in caffeine level in body.
Note that "migraine" is not a synonym for "headache". Of course I don't
know if you are indeed a sufferer of the syndrome, but it just sounded
like you were simply using it as a synonym.
Migraine is a neurological syndrome with a variety of symptoms besides
headaches. In the worst case migraine can be even lethal, if not treated
(of course you would go through hell before that happens, so it's not like
it doesn't give you a warning). Headaches, on the other hand, can be caused
by a myriad of other reasons than migraine.
AFAIK it's not atypical for a person to become more susceptible to
headaches as he becomes middle-aged, even if he never drinks any
caffeine. This can be triggered eg. from lack of or poor sleep, something
gets aggravated by age. (When one is young and energetic, one could go
on for 48 hours without sleep with no problems, but as one gets older,
lack of sleep can become really stressful and present itself very
typically in the form of persistent headaches which won't go away until
proper sleep patterns are returned.)
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Am 10.08.2010 12:33, schrieb Invisible:
>>> Possibly hypoglycaemia.
>>
>> Was my first thought, too. Though it doesn't fit the symptoms I
>> experienced myself in such cases, but maybe that's just "personal style".
>
> I gather one of the other symptons is nausia, which seems kind of ironic
> given that the best cure is apparently to eat something...
Yup.
As a small kid I had it all of the time, whenever I forgot to (or
refused to) eat in the evening. In the morning, it would then be too
late, and my digestive system would insist on being underpowered to deal
with the breakfast, so right back out with it.
Best way to deal with it is actually to take some glucose to give your
body some short boost, /then/ eat something substantial as soon as you
feel a bit better. And of course give your body as much rest as
possible. That should get you back "up & running" within two or three hours.
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On 2010-08-10 07:18, Warp wrote:
> Note that "migraine" is not a synonym for "headache". Of course I don't
> know if you are indeed a sufferer of the syndrome, but it just sounded
> like you were simply using it as a synonym.
>
> Migraine is a neurological syndrome with a variety of symptoms besides
> headaches. In the worst case migraine can be even lethal, if not treated
> (of course you would go through hell before that happens, so it's not like
> it doesn't give you a warning). Headaches, on the other hand, can be caused
> by a myriad of other reasons than migraine.
It was my eye doctor that told me they were textbook migraines after I
started getting them in middle school...they start with parts of my
vision getting all weird flickery and turning into large blind spots,
which subsides after a while, followed by a severe headache in the eye
regions combined with nausea and extreme sensitivity to sound and light.
Actually, lately I've just been getting the first stage...the rest has
been mild if it happens at all.
--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.freesitespace.net
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Am 10.08.2010 12:32, schrieb Invisible:
> Perhaps I drank less tea on Monday. However, the "tea" that I drink
> might more accurately be described as "warm milky sugar-syrup with trace
> amounts of leaf tannins". Surely the amount of caffine it contains is
> negligable. And besides, I tried drinking more and it had no effect. Nor
> have I ever suffered tea withdrawal symtoms before.
Maybe the "tea" has become an essential part of your daily
anti-hypoglycaemia diet?
Also note that "brain work" burns quite a lot of glucose. (Though I'm
not sure from your anecdotes whether your daily work does qualify as
"brain work" :-P)
Still just random guessing though.
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>> Perhaps I drank less tea on Monday. However, the "tea" that I drink
>> might more accurately be described as "warm milky sugar-syrup with trace
>> amounts of leaf tannins". Surely the amount of caffine it contains is
>> negligable. And besides, I tried drinking more and it had no effect. Nor
>> have I ever suffered tea withdrawal symtoms before.
>
> Maybe the "tea" has become an essential part of your daily
> anti-hypoglycaemia diet?
It's plausible I suppose. Still, sometimes in summer I go for weeks
without drinking any tea at all, with no ill effects. (I switch to
drinking fruit juice, rather like what I did yesterday.) So I still
don't think that's the cause.
(I also may have exaggerated the amount of sugar in my tea. I did not,
however, exaggerate the amount of *tea* in my tea!)
> Also note that "brain work" burns quite a lot of glucose. (Though I'm
> not sure from your anecdotes whether your daily work does qualify as
> "brain work" :-P)
>
> Still just random guessing though.
Yeah, well, even when I'm laying in bed my brain never really switches
off. I'm the kind of person who will go for a walk beside a beautiful
lady, watch the ripples on its surface, and wonder what the transfer
function of a 2D system with surface tension is, and whether it acts as
a one-pole low-pass filter attenuating high frequencies, or what degree
of dispersion it introduces. Seriously, there's something wrong with me...
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clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> Also note that "brain work" burns quite a lot of glucose. (Though I'm
> not sure from your anecdotes whether your daily work does qualify as
> "brain work" :-P)
I'm pretty sure that constant frustration and facepalms do burn more
glucose than any brain work you could do... :)
--
- Warp
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I'm the kind of person who will go for a walk beside a beautiful lady
You get to do that? I'm envious.
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>> I'm the kind of person who will go for a walk beside a beautiful lady
>
> You get to do that? I'm envious.
OK, this has to be the best typo in history.
Obviously I intended to type "lake". O_O
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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> > Also note that "brain work" burns quite a lot of glucose. (Though I'm
> > not sure from your anecdotes whether your daily work does qualify as
> > "brain work" :-P)
>
> I'm pretty sure that constant frustration and facepalms do burn more
> glucose than any brain work you could do... :)
Constant facepalms could explain a headache by means other than how much glucose
they consume :)
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scott wrote:
> I pretty much only get headaches on the first day back at work after
> some time off.
If you work in an office building, I'd bet you $20 it's bad air. Air
conditioning doesn't ever really bring the CO2 levels down to the same as
outside air.
--
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C# - a language whose greatest drawback
is that its best implementation comes
from a company that doesn't hate Microsoft.
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >> I'm the kind of person who will go for a walk beside a beautiful lady
> >
> > You get to do that? I'm envious.
> OK, this has to be the best typo in history.
> Obviously I intended to type "lake". O_O
It's called a freudian slip.
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- Warp
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>> Obviously I intended to type "lake". O_O
>
> It's called a freudian slip.
Slip? Try *landslide*. o_O
Man, it's a good thing you can't sustain Freudian head-injuries from
this stuff...
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On 8/10/2010 3:05 AM, Tim Cook wrote:
> On 2010-08-10 04:20, Invisible wrote:
>> This is where things get really weird. I ate a bunch of painkillers over
>> an hour ago, and they still haven't had any effect. But as soon as I
>> started eating food, within literally *minutes* my headache almost
>> completely vanished. WTF is *that* about?!
>>
>> Any unsubstantiated theories? Wild speculation? Baseless diagnosis?
>
> Sounds like the migraines I get that are triggered by (and corrected by
> fixing) my poor sleep/eating habits. They can also be triggered by
> sudden change in caffeine level in body.
>
> --
> Tim Cook
> http://empyrean.freesitespace.net
That was my first thought too. Though, mine are "usually" triggered by
not drinking enough. Its notable that a) they can seem to fade, a bit,
after eating, especially if you didn't eat enough, and that accelerated
the problem, b) drinking water to rehydrate does **nothing** to stave it
off, and c) at least in my case, it can seem fairly bad, but not
horribly so, until I actually have to try to rest any, and then
*everything* drives me up the wall.
The prevention of these tends to be a) acetometiphin (I think its
called, and in Tylonol?) + caffeine. The caffeine effects blood flow in
the brain, so if you decrease intake, it takes a bit for your brain to
re-adjust. Basically, you end up creating one of the conditions that
**helps** create a migraine by going off it (oh, joy lol). Not sure what
the other does, but both are needed to deal with it. The **problem** is,
this combination will only work, and this has been tested medically, if
you take one *before* you get any symptoms at all, or *just as* you
start to notice the preliminary symptoms (which in my case is a stiff
neck and ache in the nerves there). If you take it after you have the
headache, it does absolutely nothing for you.
Given how easy it is, on my job, to dehydrate, I have made it a habit of
taking one before work, every day I work more than 4 hours. Its been
months since I had one. Where, before, I could get one 1-2 times a month.
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On 8/10/2010 8:25 AM, Darren New wrote:
> scott wrote:
>> I pretty much only get headaches on the first day back at work after
>> some time off.
>
> If you work in an office building, I'd bet you $20 it's bad air. Air
> conditioning doesn't ever really bring the CO2 levels down to the same
> as outside air.
>
Actually.. Could be bad lighting too. Some people are susceptible to the
flicker in florescent lights, whether working properly or not, though
not tends to be worse for those people. This can, and does, trigger
headaches in some people, and could go away, once "re-acclimated" to the
lighting. Since those types of lights are endemic in most offices, and
it only effects a small percentage of people, so no one has any plans to
fix it, it is not at all uncommon.
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}
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Actually.. Could be bad lighting too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOaMeq7HQwE#t=5m40s
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Invisible wrote:
>>>> Possibly hypoglycaemia.
>>>
>>> That was my thought too. However, it seems hypoglycaemia produces a wide
>>> range of symptons, and I only had one of them.
>>
>> It is not obligatory to have all the symptoms. ;-)
>
> Sure. But only one of them? That's kind of improbable.
>
No it isn't. You may have noticed it early enough, relatively, and
treated it with food before it progressed to other symptoms. You can
have a cold virus with only a fever. Hypoglycaemia can also be a single
symptom of other things. And you did end up with the nausea after eating.
Three 9's odds, though, that it is just a headache. Speculation and
baselessness, get someone with a blood sugar meter to test ya first
thing in the morning.
>>> Also... why the **** would I suddenly have hypoglycaemia one day? It's
>>> not as if I've just had a blood transfusion or I haven't eaten for
>>> months or anything...
>>
>> It is a judgement from One on High for swearing with asterisks.
>
> Oh goodie...
Doesn't need to be no food for a month. Bet your diet changed while you
were off for a week, maybe had a few more snacks while on break? Extra
carbohydrates during the morning, maybe. The vacation gods will do that
to you, to remind you that you must obey them more often.
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>>> I pretty much only get headaches on the first day back at work after
>>> some time off.
>>
>> If you work in an office building, I'd bet you $20 it's bad air. Air
>> conditioning doesn't ever really bring the CO2 levels down to the same
>> as outside air.
You might be right, we only use the air-con here during the summer months so
I'll remember to check this next time I get a headache at work. Given that
I usually take holidays in the summer, there probably was some point where I
returned back to an air-conditioned office and got a headache.
> Actually.. Could be bad lighting too. Some people are susceptible to the
> flicker in florescent lights, whether working properly or not, though not
> tends to be worse for those people. This can, and does, trigger headaches
> in some people, and could go away, once "re-acclimated" to the lighting.
Another good point, if it's a dull day the office lights are way brighter
than any light from outside (if it's sunny you don't notice they're on, so
usually we keep them off to save power).
So it seems if the first day back in the office is a hot, dull day then I'm
screwed!
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>>> It is not obligatory to have all the symptoms. ;-)
>> Sure. But only one of them? That's kind of improbable.
>
> No it isn't. You may have noticed it early enough, relatively, and
> treated it with food before it progressed to other symptoms. You can
> have a cold virus with only a fever. Hypoglycaemia can also be a single
> symptom of other things. And you did end up with the nausea after eating.
The nausia is probably explainable by the fact that I ate an utterly
*huge* meal. Pasta _usually_ leaves you feeling pretty bloated.
> Three 9's odds, though, that it is just a headache. Speculation and
> baselessness, get someone with a blood sugar meter to test ya first
> thing in the morning.
I'm not keen on the idea of shedding blood just to test a theory.
> Doesn't need to be no food for a month. Bet your diet changed while you
> were off for a week, maybe had a few more snacks while on break? Extra
> carbohydrates during the morning, maybe. The vacation gods will do that
> to you, to remind you that you must obey them more often.
If anything, being off work probably means that I eat *less* than usual...
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On 8/11/2010 2:55 AM, Invisible wrote:
> I'm not keen on the idea of shedding blood just to test a theory.
>
Meh... its only a little prick in the finger. My wife does it twice a
day. No big deal.
My "diagnosis" is possible sinus headache. I was going to say Migraine,
but with migraines, you would typically seek the dark and really not
want to eat; and usually from my experience migraines are like an
icepick through one eye with sound, light and smell making the nausea
10x worse. Food would certainly bounce back up if eaten.
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> Any unsubstantiated theories? Wild speculation? Baseless diagnosis?
OK, and now today I seem to be developing another one. Same time of day
too. However, although there's nothing I can eat here, I'm currently
sucking some candy, and that has almost completely cured my headache.
I'm starting to get worried now. Two headaches in the same week? That
*can't* be normal!
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Invisible wrote:
>> Any unsubstantiated theories? Wild speculation? Baseless diagnosis?
>
> OK, and now today I seem to be developing another one. Same time of day
> too.
Now I'm wondering... Perhaps the antibiotics I'm taking have affected my
ability to digest starch properly or something?
Hmm, even so, I'm not exactly starving to the point where I don't have
any fat left to convert back to glucose. So... wuh?
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Am 13.08.2010 17:57, schrieb Invisible:
> Invisible wrote:
>>> Any unsubstantiated theories? Wild speculation? Baseless diagnosis?
>>
>> OK, and now today I seem to be developing another one. Same time of
>> day too.
>
> Now I'm wondering... Perhaps the antibiotics I'm taking have affected my
> ability to digest starch properly or something?
When taking antibiotics, /do/ expect your digestive system to go nuts.
You normally provide shelter, food & work for a host of bacteria to help
you with certain nutrients, but ATM you're regularly flooding their home
with substances designed to /kill/ bacteria.
> Hmm, even so, I'm not exactly starving to the point where I don't have
> any fat left to convert back to glucose. So... wuh?
Maybe your body isn't prepared for large-volume production of glucose
from fat? (Consider this a wild guess.)
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Invisible wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>>> Any unsubstantiated theories? Wild speculation? Baseless diagnosis?
>>
>> OK, and now today I seem to be developing another one. Same time of
>> day too.
>
> Now I'm wondering... Perhaps the antibiotics I'm taking have affected my
> ability to digest starch properly or something?
Antibiotics can cause headaches. They really change the way you absorb
food; live yogurt helps that a lot. So does a live milk. Raw milk might
be a bad idea, but I have bought inoculated milk before. It is
pasteurized and then they add some healthy germs to it, but don't let it
rest till it turns to yogurt. Been drinking enough liquids with the
antibiotics, or drinking enough period? Water, milk, soda; not pales or
brown ale.
> Hmm, even so, I'm not exactly starving to the point where I don't have
> any fat left to convert back to glucose. So... wuh?
A lack of starches can also raise your blood sugar, in a really complex
way. Hunger tells the brain to not make much insulin, brain tells body
to turn some fat into glucose, hormones cause too much sugar and the
body doesn't react with insulin fast enough. That would, if I remember
right, be a symptom for thyroid problems or some really rare disorder
more likely to be seen on a daytime tv drama.
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Sabrina Kilian wrote:
> food; live yogurt helps that a lot. So does a live milk.
Or even store-bought acidophilius. I find the brand with the picture of the
colon full of smiley faces works well. ;-)
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Quoth the raven:
Need S'Mores!
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Sabrina Kilian wrote:
> or some really rare disorder
> more likely to be seen on a daytime tv drama.
Thanks for the early morning lolz.
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Darren New wrote:
> Sabrina Kilian wrote:
>> food; live yogurt helps that a lot. So does a live milk.
>
> Or even store-bought acidophilius. I find the brand with the picture of
> the colon full of smiley faces works well. ;-)
>
I haven't seen that. Sweet acidophilius milk is good, 2% tastes like
whole, but the stuff goes sour so quick. Will have to look for just the
culture, maybe the whole food market is a better bet for me?
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