On 08/07/2010 09:02 AM, Warp wrote:
> Shay<n@n.n>  wrote:
>> No, "nice" is a factor, because "nice" guys don't communicate. "Nice"
>> guys lie. "Nice" guys act interested when they're bored. "Nice" guys
>> think they can get away with it and can never figure out why their
>> deceitful human encounters go sideways.
>
>    It sounds like that your opinion is that there are only "nice men" and
> "douchebags". The "nice men" are just liars, and the "douchebags" are,
> well, douchebags.
>

My opinion is that "nice men" aren't really that nice at all. Your 
typical "nice guy" is a selfish, manipulative (at least, he tries to be) 
person. I can't stand to be around him. I can't stand when he interrupts 
the conversation of normal, mentally-healthy people with his bullshit. 
His being socially awkward or "unlucky" with women doesn't make him any 
less a troll.

Some of these trolls find a home in the bullshit avalanche of particular 
bar/club scenes[1]. This is the type of person I think of as a 
"douchebag." Whatever girl he can barter sex from in exchange for his 
blowing smoke up her ass is as much a troll as he is and finds the 
attention/reinforcement well worth whatever heartache he may give her. I 
think you'll find most douchebag guys were dorky kids.

  -Shay

[1] I'll ignore the fact that you're a checker at Wallmart and pretend 
your putting on that hat makes you a cowboy if you ignore the fact that 
I'm 25, unemployed, and live with my parents and pretend that my putting 
on this jacket makes me a biker.

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On 08/07/2010 09:02 AM, Warp wrote:

Perhaps this is saying it better.


fooling ourselves.


they succeed by fooling others.

Dorks and douchebags both occupy the second group.

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Shay <n@n.n> wrote:
> My opinion is that "nice men" aren't really that nice at all. Your 
> typical "nice guy" is a selfish, manipulative (at least, he tries to be) 
> person. I can't stand to be around him. I can't stand when he interrupts 
> the conversation of normal, mentally-healthy people with his bullshit. 
> His being socially awkward or "unlucky" with women doesn't make him any 
> less a troll.

  It sounds to me like your definition of "nice guy" is a bit different
than what most other people think (including the guy who wrote that text
I linked to in my original post).

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                                                          - Warp

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On 08/07/2010 11:34 AM, Warp wrote:
> Shay<n@n.n>  wrote:
>> My opinion is that "nice men" aren't really that nice at all. Your
>> typical "nice guy" is a selfish, manipulative (at least, he tries to be)
>> person. I can't stand to be around him. I can't stand when he interrupts
>> the conversation of normal, mentally-healthy people with his bullshit.
>> His being socially awkward or "unlucky" with women doesn't make him any
>> less a troll.
>
>    It sounds to me like your definition of "nice guy" is a bit different
> than what most other people think (including the guy who wrote that text
> I linked to in my original post).
>

No, I'm talking about the exact same guy. What he doesn't understand is 
that he gets no "physical intimacy" because he is *incapable* of 
"emotional intimacy." He has his head so far up his ass that he doesn't 
see why he can't get close to a woman by going through the right moves 
(opening doors, cooking dinner, buying gifts) instead of having honest 


The woman somehow eluded him despite his master-planned strategy, so now 
she deserves misery. Yeah, nice guy.

  -Shay

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Shay <n@n.n> wrote:
> No, I'm talking about the exact same guy. What he doesn't understand is 
> that he gets no "physical intimacy" because he is *incapable* of 
> "emotional intimacy." He has his head so far up his ass that he doesn't 
> see why he can't get close to a woman by going through the right moves 
> (opening doors, cooking dinner, buying gifts) instead of having honest 
> communication with her ??? must be that she's a stuck-up bitch.

> The woman somehow eluded him despite his master-planned strategy, so now 
> she deserves misery. Yeah, nice guy.

  I'm sorry to say this, but you are being outright delusional. I can't
understand how you are seeing this in what that guy wrote.

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                                                          - Warp

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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> Shay <n@n.n> wrote:
> > No, "nice" is a factor, because "nice" guys don't communicate. "Nice"
> > guys lie. "Nice" guys act interested when they're bored. "Nice" guys
> > think they can get away with it and can never figure out why their
> > deceitful human encounters go sideways.
>
>   It sounds like that your opinion is that there are only "nice men" and
> "douchebags". The "nice men" are just liars, and the "douchebags" are,
> well, douchebags.

where are we geeks in that classification? :p

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nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> where are we geeks in that classification? :p

  Geeks are permanently and chronically single, so they don't count.

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On 08/07/2010 12:05 PM, Warp wrote:
> Shay<n@n.n>  wrote:
>> No, I'm talking about the exact same guy. What he doesn't understand is
>> that he gets no "physical intimacy" because he is *incapable* of
>> "emotional intimacy." He has his head so far up his ass that he doesn't
>> see why he can't get close to a woman by going through the right moves
>> (opening doors, cooking dinner, buying gifts) instead of having honest
>> communication with her ??? must be that she's a stuck-up bitch.
>
>> The woman somehow eluded him despite his master-planned strategy, so now
>> she deserves misery. Yeah, nice guy.
>
>    I'm sorry to say this, but you are being outright delusional. I can't
> understand how you are seeing this in what that guy wrote.
>

You can't see how that might have been interpreted as ...

I did everything I was supposed to do to make you want to sleep with me, 
but you didn't because you were shallow and foolish. Now, I have a new 
strategy for making girls want to sleep with me.

  -Shay

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On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 13:55:25 -0400, Warp wrote:

> nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> where are we geeks in that classification? :p
> 
>   Geeks are permanently and chronically single, so they don't count.

bs, I'm a geek and married.  My wife's a geek too.

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> bs, I'm a geek and married.  My wife's a geek too.

I think that's how it works out best, yes.

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    is that its best implementation comes
    from a company that doesn't hate Microsoft.

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