"Shay" <n@n.n> wrote in message news:4c5c2990$1@news.povray.org...
> On 08/05/2010 07:04 PM, somebody wrote:

> > Who said anything about procreating? Men want sex. Procreation is a
> > programmed side effect.

> All guys want one thing: food
> All guys want one thing: air
> etc.

I think the context got lost somewhere. It was about what men want from
women and what women want from men...

> > First, competition in modern society is as fierce as ever. Whether we do
> > better as a whole compared to 100 or 10,000 years ago is immaterial. We
all
> > compete with out contemporaries. And no matter how secure the baseline
is,
> > natural instinct is for your offspring to be as secure as possible, not
> > merely as secure as the baseline.

> bs. Why is it that I prefer skinny women?

Because you find them sexy. Remember, you want sex, not procreation. Men are
not particularly picky, so their preference varies with the fashion.

> They certainly won't make
> stronger babies. My guess is that my preference is a reaction to my
> environment.

Correct you are there.

> > Second, this is instinct, not rational thought. This is why female of
our
> > species will always go for the stronger, more beautiful and more well to
do
> > specimens *even when* it's merely for a one night protected stand. No
woman
> > will prefer to spend the night with the weak, timid or poor (qualities
often
> > misinterpreted as being "nice") if there's a choice (and why should
they,
> > would men?).

> "Nice guys" really do finish last, but it's not because they are weak or
> poor. I was born with a nack for attracting "good will." People around
> me just insisted on doing things for me ...
>
> UNTIL I decided that I wanted these things. Then I'd throw a wrench into
> the works by acting under some of the same assumptions you've expressed
> here. I never really did figure it out on my own; Someone, several
> someones, had to show me what I was doing wrong.
>
> You may be right about the timid, but look for the weak and poor guy
> with the "hot chick" next time you go out -- you'll see him.

Sure, if they have redeeming qualities. Weak may be rich, poor may be
strong. Women ideally want rich and strong, but there are so many of those
to go around.

My point is, "nice" is meaningless, a non-factor. We are all nice, and we
are all not nice. Even Hitler was "nice" enough to hitch up with Eva Braun,
if you believe being nice earns points (did that cost me Godwin points?). In
fact, it doesn't, nor does it cost points. Those who claim nice guys finish
last confuse being nice with having the aforementioned "inferior"
(evolutionarily handicapping) qualities that drive women away.

A peacock that flaunts itself for the peahen is not being obnoxious, and
likewise, a peacock that fails to do that, for whatever reason, is not being
nice or considerate. A man who thinks that immitating the weaker of the
peacocks is a virtue is thus delusional.

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On 08/07/2010 01:42 AM, somebody wrote:
>
> Sure, if they have redeeming qualities. Weak may be rich, poor may be
> strong. Women ideally want rich and strong, but there are so many of those
> to go around.

Name three romantic leading men over 200 lbs. I can't name one.

>
> My point is, "nice" is meaningless, a non-factor. We are all nice, and we
> are all not nice.

No, "nice" is a factor, because "nice" guys don't communicate. "Nice" 
guys lie. "Nice" guys act interested when they're bored. "Nice" guys 
think they can get away with it and can never figure out why their 
deceitful human encounters go sideways.

  -Shay

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Shay <n@n.n> wrote:
> No, "nice" is a factor, because "nice" guys don't communicate. "Nice" 
> guys lie. "Nice" guys act interested when they're bored. "Nice" guys 
> think they can get away with it and can never figure out why their 
> deceitful human encounters go sideways.

  It sounds like that your opinion is that there are only "nice men" and
"douchebags". The "nice men" are just liars, and the "douchebags" are,
well, douchebags.

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On 08/07/2010 09:02 AM, Warp wrote:
> Shay<n@n.n>  wrote:
>> No, "nice" is a factor, because "nice" guys don't communicate. "Nice"
>> guys lie. "Nice" guys act interested when they're bored. "Nice" guys
>> think they can get away with it and can never figure out why their
>> deceitful human encounters go sideways.
>
>    It sounds like that your opinion is that there are only "nice men" and
> "douchebags". The "nice men" are just liars, and the "douchebags" are,
> well, douchebags.
>

My opinion is that "nice men" aren't really that nice at all. Your 
typical "nice guy" is a selfish, manipulative (at least, he tries to be) 
person. I can't stand to be around him. I can't stand when he interrupts 
the conversation of normal, mentally-healthy people with his bullshit. 
His being socially awkward or "unlucky" with women doesn't make him any 
less a troll.

Some of these trolls find a home in the bullshit avalanche of particular 
bar/club scenes[1]. This is the type of person I think of as a 
"douchebag." Whatever girl he can barter sex from in exchange for his 
blowing smoke up her ass is as much a troll as he is and finds the 
attention/reinforcement well worth whatever heartache he may give her. I 
think you'll find most douchebag guys were dorky kids.

  -Shay

[1] I'll ignore the fact that you're a checker at Wallmart and pretend 
your putting on that hat makes you a cowboy if you ignore the fact that 
I'm 25, unemployed, and live with my parents and pretend that my putting 
on this jacket makes me a biker.

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On 08/07/2010 09:02 AM, Warp wrote:

Perhaps this is saying it better.


fooling ourselves.


they succeed by fooling others.

Dorks and douchebags both occupy the second group.

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Shay <n@n.n> wrote:
> My opinion is that "nice men" aren't really that nice at all. Your 
> typical "nice guy" is a selfish, manipulative (at least, he tries to be) 
> person. I can't stand to be around him. I can't stand when he interrupts 
> the conversation of normal, mentally-healthy people with his bullshit. 
> His being socially awkward or "unlucky" with women doesn't make him any 
> less a troll.

  It sounds to me like your definition of "nice guy" is a bit different
than what most other people think (including the guy who wrote that text
I linked to in my original post).

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On 08/07/2010 11:34 AM, Warp wrote:
> Shay<n@n.n>  wrote:
>> My opinion is that "nice men" aren't really that nice at all. Your
>> typical "nice guy" is a selfish, manipulative (at least, he tries to be)
>> person. I can't stand to be around him. I can't stand when he interrupts
>> the conversation of normal, mentally-healthy people with his bullshit.
>> His being socially awkward or "unlucky" with women doesn't make him any
>> less a troll.
>
>    It sounds to me like your definition of "nice guy" is a bit different
> than what most other people think (including the guy who wrote that text
> I linked to in my original post).
>

No, I'm talking about the exact same guy. What he doesn't understand is 
that he gets no "physical intimacy" because he is *incapable* of 
"emotional intimacy." He has his head so far up his ass that he doesn't 
see why he can't get close to a woman by going through the right moves 
(opening doors, cooking dinner, buying gifts) instead of having honest 


The woman somehow eluded him despite his master-planned strategy, so now 
she deserves misery. Yeah, nice guy.

  -Shay

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Shay <n@n.n> wrote:
> No, I'm talking about the exact same guy. What he doesn't understand is 
> that he gets no "physical intimacy" because he is *incapable* of 
> "emotional intimacy." He has his head so far up his ass that he doesn't 
> see why he can't get close to a woman by going through the right moves 
> (opening doors, cooking dinner, buying gifts) instead of having honest 
> communication with her ??? must be that she's a stuck-up bitch.

> The woman somehow eluded him despite his master-planned strategy, so now 
> she deserves misery. Yeah, nice guy.

  I'm sorry to say this, but you are being outright delusional. I can't
understand how you are seeing this in what that guy wrote.

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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> Shay <n@n.n> wrote:
> > No, "nice" is a factor, because "nice" guys don't communicate. "Nice"
> > guys lie. "Nice" guys act interested when they're bored. "Nice" guys
> > think they can get away with it and can never figure out why their
> > deceitful human encounters go sideways.
>
>   It sounds like that your opinion is that there are only "nice men" and
> "douchebags". The "nice men" are just liars, and the "douchebags" are,
> well, douchebags.

where are we geeks in that classification? :p

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nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> where are we geeks in that classification? :p

  Geeks are permanently and chronically single, so they don't count.

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