Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I remember when we did object-oriented analysis and design, we were all 
> ordered to go buy the UML book.

  At least here books are *recommended*, not mandatory. If you can pass the
course without the book, then that's fine. It's just a recommendation of what
to buy if you want additional material to help you learn the things taught.

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Warp wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> I remember when we did object-oriented analysis and design, we were all 
>> ordered to go buy the UML book.
> 
>   At least here books are *recommended*, not mandatory. If you can pass the
> course without the book, then that's fine. It's just a recommendation of what
> to buy if you want additional material to help you learn the things taught.

Yeah, that would make more sense. At my uni we were given the impression 
"if you don't have this book, you'll fail".

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Darren New wrote:
> Here, there's "pre-school" which is < 5 YO.
> Kindergarden is for when you're 5 YO.
> Grade school is the next 12 years (grade 1 thru 12).
> "Elementary school" is grades 1 thru 6,
> with "junior high school" being grades 7 thru 9 and
> "high school" being grades 10 thru 12.
> 
> Then there's college, often at a university. A "university" here is a 
> college with campuses in more than one city. So you have "University of 
> California San Diego" and "University of California in Berkeley", etc.
> 
> "Associate college" is  a 2-year degree program.
> 
> "College" is four years.
> 
> "Graduate school" is after you graduate from college, to get a masters 
> or PhD or MD or whatever.

That's really quite a lot to take in... o_O

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> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> > Then there's college, often at a university. A "university" here is a
> > college with campuses in more than one city. So you have "University of
> > California San Diego" and "University of California in Berkeley", etc.
>
>   I have never really understood the difference between a college and a
> university in the US

Colleges don't typically offer graduate programs, and research may be
minimal / non-existant. The programs might be limited as well, say, strictly
art with no scientific/technical schools or strictly a technical institute
with no art/science schools. The term also may cover 2 year post secondary
institutions that may not offer a full/accredited degree.

Universities of course offer full undergraduate and graduate degree
programs.

That said, some colleges which eventually become universities may maintain
the term "college" in their title. And to further confuse matters, some
refer to universities as colleges (but almost never the other way around).

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somebody <x### [at] ycom> wrote:
> Colleges don't typically offer graduate programs, and research may be
> minimal / non-existant. The programs might be limited as well, say, strictly
> art with no scientific/technical schools or strictly a technical institute
> with no art/science schools. The term also may cover 2 year post secondary
> institutions that may not offer a full/accredited degree.

> Universities of course offer full undergraduate and graduate degree
> programs.

  If you go to a (pure) college and get an undergraduate degree, and then
go to an actual university to get a graduate degree, do they directly accept
your undergraduate studies in the university so that you don't have to do
it all over again?

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Warp wrote:
>   If you go to a (pure) college and get an undergraduate degree, and then
> go to an actual university to get a graduate degree, do they directly accept
> your undergraduate studies in the university so that you don't have to do
> it all over again?

Yes, pretty much. As long as the schools involved are "accredited" (which 
means they teach stuff according to government standards) it transfers over. 
There maybe be an occasional special case where one particular school's 
physics class or something isn't up to par, but yah, generally everyone gets 
along.

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    C# - a language whose greatest drawback
    is that its best implementation comes
    from a company that doesn't hate Microsoft.

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> That's really quite a lot to take in... o_O

You have 20 years of living in the culture to figure it out. :-)

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    is that its best implementation comes
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 11:08:59 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>>> I recall at uni there were certain books that they said you should
>>> buy.
>>>
>>> Or you could just get them out of the uni library for nothing. Well,
>>> duh.
>> 
>> Yeah, unless it's a classroom textbook - the library isn't likely to
>> keep 100+ copies of it on the shelves....
> 
> Maybe it's just the uni I went to. The largest class in the entire uni
> was, like, 70 people or something.

That's still more copies than a library is likely to keep on hand.

> I remember when we did object-oriented analysis and design, we were all
> ordered to go buy the UML book. I thought "hey, I'll just get it from
> the library". I found the shelf... and it was bare.

Exactly my point. :-)

> Two weeks later, I tried to get the book, and there was at least 30
> copies. But then, as I quickly discovered, the book was useless anyway!
> ;-)

Perhaps nobody was using it at the time (that'd be my guess) - but if 
everyone had to do an assignment from it at the same time, there'd be a 
problem.

Where I went to uni, classes were duplicated as well, so while class 
sizes topped out at about 70 (like yours), there were 3 different times 
the class was offered, which would be 210 students max.

Jim

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On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 11:25:43 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> Warp wrote:
>> Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>> I remember when we did object-oriented analysis and design, we were
>>> all ordered to go buy the UML book.
>> 
>>   At least here books are *recommended*, not mandatory. If you can pass
>>   the
>> course without the book, then that's fine. It's just a recommendation
>> of what to buy if you want additional material to help you learn the
>> things taught.
> 
> Yeah, that would make more sense. At my uni we were given the impression
> "if you don't have this book, you'll fail".

If the homework assignments are in the book, well, you can't do the 
homework without the book.

Jim

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On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 06:10:03 -0400, Warp wrote:

>   It would be an example of a *good* use of tax money, as it helps
>   evening
> out the difference between rich and poor (while still not being outright
> communism).

Instead it teaches that conformity is good.  Looking through history, the 
people who made a real difference were not conformists, in general.

People need to learn that independent thought is valued, not conformity.

Jim

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