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And lo On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:50:05 +0100, Warp <war### [at] tag povrayorg> did
spake thusly:
> Ok, this is a bit hard to confess, but I sold myself out, so to speak,
> kind of. I went and bought an Xbox 360.
Scab! Heh. OOC why the Xbox and not the PS3? I'm not fan-boying or
anything I'm genuinely curious.
<snip>
> in and play without having to worry at all about crashes, graphics
> settings,
> latest drivers and whether your PC will be able to run it at all.
Which is why I made the leap some time ago.
> Microsoft
> has also made a quite good work at demanding game developers to minimize
> loading times even when loading from DVD, because it really makes a big
> difference: Sometimes Xbox 360 games seem to load from the DVD *faster*
> than they seem to load from the HD in the PC, as incredible as that might
> sound... (I don't really understand how they succeed in this, and why
> they
> don't use the same technique in the Windows ports of the games, when they
> exist.)
Yeah as has been mentioned it's the fixed hardware. I was reading
something from a developer about how all the processes in the game has a
timing constraint - this, this and this have to be done in this time in
order for the screen to be redrawn. If you don't know the throughputs for
the hardware it's more difficult to tweak.
> Of course there are drawbacks too. For one, games deliberately have no
> support for mouse and keyboard, even though the console would support
> them
> (eg. you can plug in an USB keyboard and use it to write in the
> dashboard;
> I'm assuming supporting USB mice is there or at least would be equally
> easy).
And that's the stupid thing about the PS3 you *can* use a keyboard and
mouse (bluetooth and usb), but the games themselves have to accept their
input to work. Not counting some of the old PS1/PS2 games I think only
Unreal Tournament had this support, maddening.
> That means no FPS games for me. (Yes, I tried a few demos, and they were
> next to impossible to play.) AFAIK this is a deliberate guideline by
> Microsoft
> (or at least it was for the Xbox).
Keep at it. It still won't be as good as with a mouse, but it won't be
impossible.
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> Keep at it. It still won't be as good as with a mouse, but it won't be
> impossible.
As usual I have a cool idea, google it, and find someone else has already
done it:
http://www.xcm.cc/xcm_xfps_360.htm
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And lo On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:48:26 +0100, scott <sco### [at] scottcom> did
spake thusly:
>> Keep at it. It still won't be as good as with a mouse, but it won't be
>> impossible.
>
> As usual I have a cool idea, google it, and find someone else has
> already done it:
>
> http://www.xcm.cc/xcm_xfps_360.htm
There's some out for the PS3 too, which is hilarious for obvious reasons.
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>> As usual I have a cool idea, google it, and find someone else has
>> already done it:
>>
>> http://www.xcm.cc/xcm_xfps_360.htm
>
> There's some out for the PS3 too, which is hilarious for obvious reasons.
Clearly I'm missing something...
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>>> As usual I have a cool idea, google it, and find someone else has
>>> already done it:
>>>
>>> http://www.xcm.cc/xcm_xfps_360.htm
>>
>> There's some out for the PS3 too, which is hilarious for obvious reasons.
>
> Clearly I'm missing something...
Me too.
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And lo On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:07:22 +0100, scott <sco### [at] scottcom> did
spake thusly:
>>>> As usual I have a cool idea, google it, and find someone else has
>>>> already done it:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.xcm.cc/xcm_xfps_360.htm
>>>
>>> There's some out for the PS3 too, which is hilarious for obvious
>>> reasons.
>>
>> Clearly I'm missing something...
>
> Me too.
Oh sorry. The PS3 natively supports a keyboard and mouse. The game
developers just need to interface to it. In theory any game that is also
developed for the PC or uses the Unreal engine could support k+m for the
PS3; they just don't.
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Phil Cook
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I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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>>>> There's some out for the PS3 too, which is hilarious for obvious
>>>> reasons.
>>>
>>> Clearly I'm missing something...
>>
>> Me too.
>
> Oh sorry. The PS3 natively supports a keyboard and mouse. The game
> developers just need to interface to it. In theory any game that is also
> developed for the PC or uses the Unreal engine could support k+m for the
> PS3; they just don't.
Which is the point of these add-on boxes, they accept normal k+m and then
present themselves to the console as a normal native gamepad. The result is
that any game that accepts input from the analogue stick can be controlled
by a mouse.
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And lo On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:18:05 +0100, scott <sco### [at] scottcom> did
spake thusly:
>>>>> There's some out for the PS3 too, which is hilarious for obvious
>>>>> reasons.
>>>>
>>>> Clearly I'm missing something...
>>>
>>> Me too.
>>
>> Oh sorry. The PS3 natively supports a keyboard and mouse. The game
>> developers just need to interface to it. In theory any game that is
>> also developed for the PC or uses the Unreal engine could support k+m
>> for the PS3; they just don't.
>
> Which is the point of these add-on boxes, they accept normal k+m and
> then present themselves to the console as a normal native gamepad. The
> result is that any game that accepts input from the analogue stick can
> be controlled by a mouse.
But that's why I find it hilarious. This isn't a case of a third-party
creating something that isn't there, it's creating something that already
exists and isn't being used.
It's as if Sony had designed a car and created a power lead to plug in a
radio, but all the radio creators decided to fit their products with
batteries, so a third-party came along and created a battery pack and an
extra power lead. I can just picture the Sony execs shaking their heads in
bemusement.
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Phil Cook
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I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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Phil Cook v2 wrote:
> It's as if Sony had designed a car and created a power lead to plug in a
> radio, but all the radio creators decided to fit their products with
> batteries, so a third-party came along and created a battery pack and an
> extra power lead. I can just picture the Sony execs shaking their heads
> in bemusement.
Or as if the manufacturers could make radios with an audio socket where
you could plug in any concievable sound source, but instead they all
created radios with a cassette slot, so 3rd parties came up with a tape
adaptor...
...oh, wait, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED! >_<
Seriously, is there any specific reason that I can't plug my MP3 player
into my car? Or is it just so that Renault can extract more money from
me to have an MP3-capable head unit installed? (And even then it still
won't play Ogg Vorbis...)
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And lo On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:36:01 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did
spake thusly:
> Phil Cook v2 wrote:
>
>> It's as if Sony had designed a car and created a power lead to plug in
>> a radio, but all the radio creators decided to fit their products with
>> batteries, so a third-party came along and created a battery pack and
>> an extra power lead. I can just picture the Sony execs shaking their
>> heads in bemusement.
>
> Or as if the manufacturers could make radios with an audio socket where
> you could plug in any concievable sound source, but instead they all
> created radios with a cassette slot, so 3rd parties came up with a tape
> adaptor...
>
> ...oh, wait, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED! >_<
Kind of. Imagine the radio manufacturers created them with both the
cassette and audio socket, but didn't connect the socket; and then someone
created the tape adaptor. Maybe it's just me but I find that thought
amusing.
> Seriously, is there any specific reason that I can't plug my MP3 player
> into my car?
Yes
> Or is it just so that Renault can extract more money from me to have an
> MP3-capable head unit installed?
and there you go :-)
> (And even then it still won't play Ogg Vorbis...)
Ah come on they've only just got around to MP3.
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