http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1ZW3T4ed3M

So wrong... and yet... so right...

(Damnit, now I'm going to have to find out what the original sounded like.)

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1ZW3T4ed3M
> 
> So wrong... and yet... so right...
> 
> (Damnit, now I'm going to have to find out what the original sounded like.)
> 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkT07TP-mo

Do you like keyboard music?

Try
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlkLfuJscZc


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	Stephen

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> (Damnit, now I'm going to have to find out what the original sounded like.)

Dude, nemesis posted you a link to the original you're talking about a 
few days ago and you even commented on it.

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Kevin Wampler wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> (Damnit, now I'm going to have to find out what the original sounded 
>> like.)
> 
> Dude, nemesis posted you a link to the original you're talking about a 
> few days ago and you even commented on it.

Wow. It was *that* memorable?

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Stephen wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkT07TP-mo

Hmm... Actually, I do remember that. I suspect YouTube doesn't really do 
it justice though.

> Do you like keyboard music?
> 
> Try
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlkLfuJscZc

Nah, I never have liked piano music much. The piano is just such a 
boring instrument. It can sound nice as part of a larger piece of music, 
but on its own it's just dull. (I guess the same can be said of many 
instruments...)

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Nah, I never have liked piano music much. The piano is just such a 
> boring instrument. It can sound nice as part of a larger piece of music, 
> but on its own it's just dull. (I guess the same can be said of many 
> instruments...)

  Is there any kind of music you don't find boring?

  There are many pieces of piano music which are just exquisite. For example,
I really like this one from Bach:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KQW2YnCUrE

  There's something soothing about it.

  Personally I find the minuet in G minor by Bach (or at least attributed
to him) exquisite and soothing. It also brings memories because it was the
theme music of a ZX Spectrum game (didn't know back then it was a piece of
classical music):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRDP9jV9JlA

  The G major counterpart is perhaps more known:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIKKDXCP2_M

  Famous piano pieces by Beethoven are also excellent, such as

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQVeaIHWWck

  The third movement is actually one of the most involved (and difficult)
pieces of classical piano music ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZaTzSWqXCU

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Warp wrote:

>   Is there any kind of music you don't find boring?

Well, I do have several hundred CDs in my bedroom, almost all of which I 
enjoy listening to, so... ;-)

>   There are many pieces of piano music which are just exquisite. For example,
> I really like this one from Bach:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KQW2YnCUrE
> 
>   There's something soothing about it.

I can play the prelude - although I usually choose harpsichord or pipe 
organ rather than piano. And yes, it's a rather interesting piece. (I'm 
rather less keen on the fugue.)

Given that it's prelude #1 from the WTC, I guess the authorship is 
relatively certain. (Although some guy told me it's not in the baroque 
style - like I'd know the difference...)

>   Personally I find the minuet in G minor by Bach (or at least attributed
> to him) exquisite and soothing. It also brings memories because it was the
> theme music of a ZX Spectrum game (didn't know back then it was a piece of
> classical music):
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRDP9jV9JlA

Now the harpsichord is something I do like the sound of. (Although 
obviously, it depends on what you play with it...)

>   The G major counterpart is perhaps more known:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIKKDXCP2_M

Now, see, this doesn't do anything for me personally.

>   Famous piano pieces by Beethoven are also excellent, such as
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQVeaIHWWck

Again, not my taste.

>   The third movement is actually one of the most involved (and difficult)
> pieces of classical piano music ever:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZaTzSWqXCU

I'm sure it's really, really hard to play. It just doesn't sound 
particularly pleasing to the ear.

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Warp wrote:
> 
>   The third movement is actually one of the most involved (and difficult)
> pieces of classical piano music ever:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZaTzSWqXCU
> 

Not to nit-pick, but while it's certainly rather tricky there's a fair 
bit of piano music out there which is significantly more 
involved/difficult, so I think it's a bit much to term it "one of the 
most involved and difficult pieces of piano music ever".  This isn't to 
detract from how great a piece of music it is though.

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Kevin Wampler wrote:
> Warp wrote:
>>
>>   The third movement is actually one of the most involved (and difficult)
>> pieces of classical piano music ever:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZaTzSWqXCU
>>
> 
> Not to nit-pick, but while it's certainly rather tricky there's a fair
> bit of piano music out there which is significantly more
> involved/difficult, so I think it's a bit much to term it "one of the
> most involved and difficult pieces of piano music ever".  This isn't to
> detract from how great a piece of music it is though.

He did say pieces of classical piano music.

If you want difficult to play, look for "Faerie's Aire and Death Waltz".
I would say listen to it but that requires that it is possible to play
it correctly, which I hear is not possible.

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Sabrina Kilian wrote:
> Kevin Wampler wrote:
>> Warp wrote:
>>>   The third movement is actually one of the most involved (and difficult)
>>> pieces of classical piano music ever:
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZaTzSWqXCU
>>>
>> Not to nit-pick, but while it's certainly rather tricky there's a fair
>> bit of piano music out there which is significantly more
>> involved/difficult, so I think it's a bit much to term it "one of the
>> most involved and difficult pieces of piano music ever".  This isn't to
>> detract from how great a piece of music it is though.
> 
> He did say pieces of classical piano music.
> 
> If you want difficult to play, look for "Faerie's Aire and Death Waltz".
> I would say listen to it but that requires that it is possible to play
> it correctly, which I hear is not possible.

I’m not too sure but I think I heard a missed note near the end ;-)

Actually to me the enjoyment of listening to music is not about the 
technical difficulty of the music but the emotion that is put into and 
comes out of the playing.
Warp’s example of Bach's Minuet in G major is a good one. After a quick 
search on you tube I found this version that I like. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC8Kn88_L8Y


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	Stephen

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Stephen wrote:

> Actually to me the enjoyment of listening to music is not about the 
> technical difficulty of the music but the emotion that is put into and 
> comes out of the playing.

Indeed.

If anything, the trouble with sophisticated toccattas, preludes, fugues 
and so forth is making them sound interesting to non-musicians. IMHO, 
Bach did this better than most. Still, it's definitely an aquired taste...

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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news: 
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> Stephen wrote:
>
>> Actually to me the enjoyment of listening to music is not about the 
>> technical difficulty of the music but the emotion that is put into and 
>> comes out of the playing.
>
> Indeed.
>
> If anything, the trouble with sophisticated toccattas, preludes, fugues 
> and so forth is making them sound interesting to non-musicians. IMHO, Bach 
> did this better than most. Still, it's definitely an aquired taste...
>
I wanted to post a link to Ravel's "Concerto in D major for the left hand"
 but unfortunately I did not find one with both a good execution and a 
correct sound .
But that is a tricky score and yet very deep and emotional work.

Marc

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Sabrina Kilian wrote:
> 
> He did say pieces of classical piano music.
> 
> If you want difficult to play, look for "Faerie's Aire and Death Waltz".
> I would say listen to it but that requires that it is possible to play
> it correctly, which I hear is not possible.

Unless he means "classical" in the strict sense (which I doubt since I'd 
tend to call the Moonlight sonata early- or transition-romantic anyway) 
then I'm also talking about the same type of music.  Even if you exclude 
the really insane avant-garde pieces there's plenty of normal classical 
  (in the general sense) piano music which is harder than the Moonlight 
Sonata.

Also, my understanding is that Faerie's Aire and Death Waltz was written 
as a piece of music-notational art (or a notational joke) and as not 
intended to actually be played, so I wasn't counting it (as well as any 
number of electronic or player piano pieces which would also be 
impossible to actually perform).

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horrid

though I understand techno and classical music fans have one thing in common:
they appreciate music for itself, without the need for lyrics.

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Kevin Wampler wrote:
> > Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> >> (Damnit, now I'm going to have to find out what the original sounded
> >> like.)
> >
> > Dude, nemesis posted you a link to the original you're talking about a
> > few days ago and you even commented on it.
>
> Wow. It was *that* memorable?

It was the only one you enjoyed.  One piece from Mozart's Requiem, the
Lacrymosa.

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkT07TP-mo
>
> Hmm... Actually, I do remember that. I suspect YouTube doesn't really do
> it justice though.
>
> > Do you like keyboard music?
> >
> > Try
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlkLfuJscZc
>
> Nah, I never have liked piano music much. The piano is just such a
> boring instrument. It can sound nice as part of a larger piece of music,
> but on its own it's just dull.

to each his own.  I find organ mostly boring too. :)

When I first fell in love with the piano as a child, I found its metallic sound
incredibly futuristic! :D

I also enjoy the harpsichord, at least the flemish ones.  Guess I enjoy metallic
percussion.

Of course, the instrument is a just a media to the music.  You should give music
a chance.

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> >   The third movement is actually one of the most involved (and difficult)
> > pieces of classical piano music ever:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZaTzSWqXCU
>
> I'm sure it's really, really hard to play. It just doesn't sound
> particularly pleasing to the ear.

You're truly unbelievable.  Then again, you're not alone in thinking Beethoven
was hard on the ears:  Chopin had the exact same opinion.  Though he really
enjoyed Mozart music. :)

I'm not all for complexity for complexity's sake, but that movement is truly
mindblowing.

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On 14-3-2010 21:54, nemesis wrote:
> horrid
> 
> though I understand techno and classical music fans have one thing in common:
> they appreciate music for itself, without the need for lyrics.

I like classical music, especially a capella ;)

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nemesis wrote:

> to each his own.  I find organ mostly boring too. :)

Actually... so do I. ;-)

However, there are a few pieces of organ music which sound really 
awesome, which kinda makes up for it. ;-)

> Of course, the instrument is a just a media to the music.  You should give music
> a chance.

Well yeah, there is that too...

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andrel <byt### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> On 14-3-2010 21:54, nemesis wrote:
> > horrid
> >
> > though I understand techno and classical music fans have one thing in common:
> > they appreciate music for itself, without the need for lyrics.
>
> I like classical music, especially a capella ;)

I do appreciate some operas and oratorios too.  But thankfully, I don't
understand a thing of what those voices are talking about.  They still work
beautifully as instruments though.

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nemesis wrote:
> andrel <byt### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> On 14-3-2010 21:54, nemesis wrote:
>>> horrid
>>>
>>> though I understand techno and classical music fans have one thing in common:
>>> they appreciate music for itself, without the need for lyrics.
>> I like classical music, especially a capella ;)
> 
> I do appreciate some operas and oratorios too.  But thankfully, I don't
> understand a thing of what those voices are talking about.  

That may be a blessing ;-)

> They still work beautifully as instruments though.
> 

And you may get the emotion coming through as well.

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	Stephen

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Stephen wrote:
>> I do appreciate some operas and oratorios too.  But thankfully, I don't
>> understand a thing of what those voices are talking about.  
> 
> That may be a blessing ;-)

This comment reminds me of this song by Siegfried Wagner (not a great 
performance, but the only video I can find):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V49_GhWzp3w

The title translates to "The Tale of the Big, Fat Pancake" :-)  It's one 
of the lieder that I really don't mind not being able to understand 
(although reading through the lyrics was admittedly rather fun, so maybe 
that's my loss).

It also reminds me a bit of Bach's coffee cantata.

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1ZW3T4ed3M

Damn. Now I'm going to have to remember where I heard this.

Oh wait... Wasn't this one of the character's themes in Moulin Rouge?  It 
harmonizes really well with Roxanne (by Police) BION.

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   but to different destinations.

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nemesis wrote:
> to each his own.  I find organ mostly boring too. :)

I think most music written for an organ needs to be heard performed on an 
organ. I don't think a recording can do it justice, any more than a movie of 
fireworks is exciting.

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   but to different destinations.

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On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:30:38 +0200, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:

> nemesis wrote:
>> to each his own.  I find organ mostly boring too. :)
>
> I think most music written for an organ needs to be heard performed on  
> an organ. I don't think a recording can do it justice, any more than a  
> movie of fireworks is exciting.
>
I just love it when those bass pipes seem to make the whole place tremble.  
I think a deaf person would be able to feel those vibrations :)

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