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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Coding in ___ is like ___
Date: 4 Mar 2010 19:15:01
Message: <web.4b904cb7adada4adbc6ccfa80@news.povray.org>
Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
> > I'm not familiar with Ruby, Scheme, or Mozart. Of course I've heard of
> > all these things, but I don't know anything about them.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_(programming_language)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheme_(programming_language)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart

haha, Mozart is also an implementation of the language Oz.  Not the kingdom...
:P


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Coding in ___ is like ___
Date: 4 Mar 2010 19:30:03
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nemesis wrote:
> Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> Invisible wrote:
>> > I'm not familiar with Ruby, Scheme, or Mozart. Of course I've heard of
>> > all these things, but I don't know anything about them.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_(programming_language)
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheme_(programming_language)
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart
> 
> haha, Mozart is also an implementation of the language Oz.  Not the
> kingdom...
> :P

The original article was definitely referring to the composer, so I'm 
surprised Andrew says he's "not familiar with Mozart" :)


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Coding in ___ is like ___
Date: 5 Mar 2010 04:06:54
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> The original article was definitely referring to the composer, so I'm 
> surprised Andrew says he's "not familiar with Mozart" :)

Obviously I know that there was a famous composer named Mozart. But I 
couldn't tell you what he's famous for, or what his music sounds like.


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Coding in ___ is like ___
Date: 6 Mar 2010 20:50:00
Message: <web.4b9305faadada4ad7220e2710@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>
> > The original article was definitely referring to the composer, so I'm
> > surprised Andrew says he's "not familiar with Mozart" :)
>
> Obviously I know that there was a famous composer named Mozart. But I
> couldn't tell you what he's famous for, or what his music sounds like.

we've been through this before, I'm sure.  But your lack of curiosity is truly
legendary.  Let me do the youtube jig for you, just with some of the most
well-known pops from the master:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lC1lRz5Z_s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKhH2hRa-WQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r65goW_dzs0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkT07TP-mo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxGy83aipbY


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Coding in ___ is like ___
Date: 7 Mar 2010 05:06:43
Message: <4b937ab3$1@news.povray.org>
>> Obviously I know that there was a famous composer named Mozart. But I
>> couldn't tell you what he's famous for, or what his music sounds like.
> 
> we've been through this before, I'm sure.  But your lack of curiosity is truly
> legendary.

For somebody who knows how to use the z-transform to design IIR digital 
filters for no reason other than curiosity, that statement seems a 
little dubious. ;-)

It would be more accurate to say that certain subjects do not interest me.

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lC1lRz5Z_s

This is the kind of thing I'd hear on the radio and completely ignore 
due to its blandness.

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKhH2hRa-WQ

This one is of course quite well-known. I never liked it very much.

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r65goW_dzs0

Another fairly well-known one that I don't like much.

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkT07TP-mo

Now we're getting somewhere. This at least didn't have me bored to tears.

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxGy83aipbY

Oh dear.

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Coding in ___ is like ___
Date: 7 Mar 2010 10:10:00
Message: <web.4b93c09cadada4add47dd55c0@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >> Obviously I know that there was a famous composer named Mozart. But I
> >> couldn't tell you what he's famous for, or what his music sounds like.
> >
> > we've been through this before, I'm sure.  But your lack of curiosity is truly
> > legendary.
>
> For somebody who knows how to use the z-transform to design IIR digital
> filters for no reason other than curiosity, that statement seems a
> little dubious. ;-)
>
> It would be more accurate to say that certain subjects do not interest me.

By the level of cultural knowledge you display here, I'd say most. :)

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lC1lRz5Z_s
>
> This is the kind of thing I'd hear on the radio and completely ignore
> due to its blandness.

blandness... I see.

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKhH2hRa-WQ
>
> This one is of course quite well-known. I never liked it very much.
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r65goW_dzs0
>
> Another fairly well-known one that I don't like much.
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkT07TP-mo
>
> Now we're getting somewhere. This at least didn't have me bored to tears.
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxGy83aipbY
>
> Oh dear.

well, aside from you lack of taste, you at least recognize Mozart music, which
was the original point.


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Coding in ___ is like ___
Date: 7 Mar 2010 12:33:16
Message: <4b93e35c$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:

> well, aside from you lack of taste, you at least recognize Mozart music, which
> was the original point.

I've heard some of it before. I wouldn't recognise it *as* Mozart, but 
I've heard it.

Also, just because lots of people like something, does not mean I have to.

-- 
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Coding in ___ is like ___
Date: 7 Mar 2010 15:25:36
Message: <4b940bc0@news.povray.org>
nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lC1lRz5Z_s
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKhH2hRa-WQ
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r65goW_dzs0
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkT07TP-mo
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxGy83aipbY

  You forgot Rondo Alla Turca:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCSevzJQ2-Y

  Btw, the Magic Flute opera referenced above sounds like one of the most
demanding and difficult operas for the singer I have heard. Beautiful when
performed by a talented singer.

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: Kevin Wampler
Subject: Re: Coding in ___ is like ___
Date: 7 Mar 2010 15:33:39
Message: <4b940da3@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> 
>   Btw, the Magic Flute opera referenced above sounds like one of the most
> demanding and difficult operas for the singer I have heard. Beautiful when
> performed by a talented singer.
> 

I highly recommend listening to Florence Foster Jenkins' legendary 
performance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM6qntPpyZ0

It's also probably worth reading this (the only, as far as I know) 
interview with her long time accompanist Cosmé McMoon:

http://listproc.ucdavis.edu/archives/mlist/log0402/0004.html


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From: Kevin Wampler
Subject: Re: Coding in ___ is like ___
Date: 7 Mar 2010 15:48:03
Message: <4b941103$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> 
>   You forgot Rondo Alla Turca:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCSevzJQ2-Y
> 

BTW, why on earth did you choose a hand-entered MIDI rendition of this 
piece?  Here's an actual human-performed version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOPCT30y8ac


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Coding in ___ is like ___
Date: 7 Mar 2010 16:04:23
Message: <4b9414d7@news.povray.org>
Kevin Wampler <wam### [at] uwashingtonedu> wrote:
> I highly recommend listening to Florence Foster Jenkins' legendary 
> performance:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM6qntPpyZ0

  I had heard of that singer before, but didn't remember in which context.
Wikipedia clarified: "Florence Foster Jenkins (July 19, 1868 - November 26,
1944) was an American soprano who became famous for her complete lack of
rhythm, pitch, tone, and overall singing ability."

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: Kevin Wampler
Subject: Re: Coding in ___ is like ___
Date: 7 Mar 2010 16:24:11
Message: <4b94197b$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> Kevin Wampler <wam### [at] uwashingtonedu> wrote:
>> I highly recommend listening to Florence Foster Jenkins' legendary 
>> performance:
> 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM6qntPpyZ0
> 
>   I had heard of that singer before, but didn't remember in which context.
> Wikipedia clarified: "Florence Foster Jenkins (July 19, 1868 - November 26,
> 1944) was an American soprano who became famous for her complete lack of
> rhythm, pitch, tone, and overall singing ability."
> 

I think the really endearing bit about her was that she loved music, and 
sincerely believed that she was a highly talented signer.


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Coding in ___ is like ___
Date: 7 Mar 2010 16:42:45
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Kevin Wampler <wam### [at] uwashingtonedu> wrote:
> sincerely believed that she was a highly talented signer.

  That she might have been. Singing, on the other hand... ;)

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Kevin Wampler
Subject: Re: Coding in ___ is like ___
Date: 7 Mar 2010 17:02:00
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Warp wrote:
> Kevin Wampler <wam### [at] uwashingtonedu> wrote:
>> sincerely believed that she was a highly talented signer.
> 
>   That she might have been. Singing, on the other hand... ;)

haha


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Coding in ___ is like ___
Date: 7 Mar 2010 19:20:01
Message: <web.4b9441fbadada4adb0d02ed10@news.povray.org>
Kevin Wampler <wam### [at] uwashingtonedu> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > Kevin Wampler <wam### [at] uwashingtonedu> wrote:
> >> I highly recommend listening to Florence Foster Jenkins' legendary
> >> performance:
> >
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM6qntPpyZ0

the horror, the HORROR...

> >
> >   I had heard of that singer before, but didn't remember in which context.
> > Wikipedia clarified: "Florence Foster Jenkins (July 19, 1868 - November 26,
> > 1944) was an American soprano who became famous for her complete lack of
> > rhythm, pitch, tone, and overall singing ability."
> >
>
> I think the really endearing bit about her was that she loved music, and
> sincerely believed that she was a highly talented signer.

we've got an Ed Wood there!


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Coding in ___ is like ___
Date: 7 Mar 2010 19:30:00
Message: <web.4b9443e7adada4adb0d02ed10@news.povray.org>
Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lC1lRz5Z_s
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKhH2hRa-WQ
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r65goW_dzs0
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkT07TP-mo
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxGy83aipbY
>
>   You forgot Rondo Alla Turca:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCSevzJQ2-Y

I forgot many, including Symphony n40 and some of the most memorable piano
concertos.  Doesn't change a thing for someone who listens to it as a bland wall
of sound, instead of having the pleasure and intellectual satisfaction of
following the themes, it's development, and analyzing the interlocked harmonic
plot at several interpretative levels.  I'm not even sure Mozart's top pops
demand that level of attention to be pleasing...

>   Btw, the Magic Flute opera referenced above sounds like one of the most
> demanding and difficult operas for the singer I have heard. Beautiful when
> performed by a talented singer.

Yes.  And aside from the sheer beauty and technical demand, it's also amusing to
see a human actually singing like a bird... :)

The singer then leaves the stage.  I'm sure there must be a couch in the back
for her to rest after that...


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