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Invisible wrote:
> This recruiter seemed to understand what I'm talking about...
That's a good recruiter, then. You can probably use the "industry standard"
line on them, and explain you don't want to give a number because you don't
know anything about the job.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
The question in today's corporate environment is not
so much "what color is your parachute?" as it is
"what color is your nose?"
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Invisible wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
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>> Whoever is the first to give a number loses.
>
> Just like in fighting...
>
Not necessarily so. In judo there is a saying that the first person to
take hold, wins.
--
Best Regards,
Stephen
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On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:29:46 +0100, Stephen <mca### [at] aoldot com> wrote:
> In judo there is a saying that the first person to take hold, wins.
http://basicinstructions.net/basic-instructions/2009/9/23/how-to-riff-on-an-idea.html
--
FE
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Fredrik Eriksson wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:29:46 +0100, Stephen <mca### [at] aoldotcom> wrote:
>> In judo there is a saying that the first person to take hold, wins.
>
>
http://basicinstructions.net/basic-instructions/2009/9/23/how-to-riff-on-an-idea.html
>
That was quick :-)
Yes a riff or as people with an education say "reductio ad absurdum" :-P
But then the first move can instigate a counter move which if you know
that it is coming can open the opportunity for a counter-counter move
und so weiter.
--
Best Regards,
Stephen
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On 18-2-2010 18:56, Stephen wrote:
> Fredrik Eriksson wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:29:46 +0100, Stephen <mca### [at] aoldotcom> wrote:
>>> In judo there is a saying that the first person to take hold, wins.
>>
>>
http://basicinstructions.net/basic-instructions/2009/9/23/how-to-riff-on-an-idea.html
>>
>
> That was quick :-)
>
> Yes a riff or as people with an education say "reductio ad absurdum" :-P
> But then the first move can instigate a counter move which if you know
> that it is coming can open the opportunity for a counter-counter move
> und so weiter.
There is that. Also you get penalized for not moving so 2 judo masters
may both move a bit while keeping fully balanced continually.
If both are good enough for the arms race mentioned above you may even
start some sort of complicated dance until one sees an opportunity he or
she thinks the other one missed. (One of the reasons why I don't dance).
In big tournaments the whole idea of judo is perverted and mainly
reduced to a fight who gets the best grip on the other persons jacket.
(One of the reasons why I never compete in a tournament)
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Hooookay, so what's the average salary for a system administrator?
>
constitute a 100% pay rise for me - the largest pay rise I've ever
received. (By a mile...)
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> constitute a 100% pay rise for me - the largest pay rise I've ever
> received. (By a mile...)
Good luck - not many people manage a 100% pay rise when switching jobs.
But the real negotiation on salary will be between you and the employer
(rather than the agency) once they decided to offer you the job. Whatever
you do, don't agree to the first number they offer you just because it's a
lot more than you are getting now. Remember, every extra 1K you bargain for
is an extra 1K per year for life.
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scott wrote:
> Good luck - not many people manage a 100% pay rise when switching jobs.
Not many people are as underpaid as me in the first place. ;-)
...oh, wait. This is a BAD thing. o_O
> But the real negotiation on salary will be between you and the employer
> (rather than the agency) once they decided to offer you the job.
The real negatiation is persuading them that they should hire me in the
first place. :-/
> Whatever you do, don't agree to the first number they offer you just
> because it's a lot more than you are getting now. Remember, every extra
> 1K you bargain for is an extra 1K per year for life.
Or until they fire me, more like. ;-)
It'll be nice if I can actually get this job. (From what I've read so
far, it sounds pretty ideal.) OTOH, I guess I'll have to go back to
actually *doing* some work. Rather than, say, lurking on
povray.off-topic, surfing Wikipedia, or implementing fractal image
compression algorithms...
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:44:33 +0100, scott wrote:
> Good luck - not many people manage a 100% pay rise when switching jobs.
That largely has to do with where you are in the pay scale, though -
those at the lower end of the scale tend to be more successful with that
than those at the higher end of the scale.
Jim
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Invisible wrote:
> Or until they fire me, more like. ;-)
Not really. Remember how everyone keeps asking you what you're making at
*this* job? That doesn't stop after the second job.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
The question in today's corporate environment is not
so much "what color is your parachute?" as it is
"what color is your nose?"
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