Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> I've yet to meet a car where the wipers *don't* leave smears. My 
> previous two cars have both had dozens of wiper blades, all to no avail.

That's why you have to scrub the road grease off.

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>> I've yet to meet a car where the wipers *don't* leave smears. My 
>> previous two cars have both had dozens of wiper blades, all to no avail.
> 
> That's why you have to scrub the road grease off.

And how do you do that?

If the car wash can't shift it, and two young Polish lads with buckets 
can't scrub it off, I'm not sure what else to try...

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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> >> Clean the driver-side wiper. If that doesn't help,
change it.
> >
> > That, and scrub the road grease off the window.  And
clean the other
> > wiper while you're at it, if it pushes into the space
used by the
> > driver's side wiper.
>
> I've yet to meet a car where the wipers *don't* leave
smears. My
> previous two cars have both had dozens of wiper blades,
all to no avail.

Have you tried Rain-X? It gets good reviews from actual
users.

http://www.rainx.com/

http://www.epinions.com/reviews/Rain_X_Glass_Treatment_and_Cleaner

Demonstration:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1S_Jm_FwM0

Some people love it, some don't...
Rain-X people also make wipers.
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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> For example, there was a hole
> under the accelerator pedal where you can watch the road
go past below.

A Flintstone car? :)
~db

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>> For example, there was a hole
>> under the accelerator pedal where you can watch the road
> go past below.
> 
> A Flintstone car? :)

I tell you what, you'd need to be more like Popeye than Fred to shift 
this lump of pig iron!

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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> >> For example, there was a hole
> >> under the accelerator pedal where you can watch the
road
> > go past below.
> >
> > A Flintstone car? :)
>
> I tell you what, you'd need to be more like Popeye than
Fred to shift
> this lump of pig iron!

My manual trans Subaru Outback has a lot of trouble shifting
into reverse. Sometimes I have to take the parking brake off
and rock the car back and forth (you know, while sitting in
the driver's seat, start rocking) in order to get it into
reverse. Trannies in my last 3 Subarus have been crappy...

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DungBeatle wrote:

> My manual trans Subaru Outback has a lot of trouble shifting
> into reverse. Sometimes I have to take the parking brake off
> and rock the car back and forth (you know, while sitting in
> the driver's seat, start rocking) in order to get it into
> reverse. Trannies in my last 3 Subarus have been crappy...

Ah yes, my first car had a similar issue. It's not so bad if the car is 
already moving when you try to select reverse. But if not... well, I 
hope you got muscle! o_O

Then again, that car had been back to zero TWICE... And it was a Ford 
when they manufactured it.

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DungBeatle wrote:
> Have you tried Rain-X? It gets good reviews from actual
> users.

Yeah, that stuff's the bomb too. :-)

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On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:40:00 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:14:17 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>> 
>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:37:40 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How?
>>>> Your examiner was blind? ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Nor drunk.
>> 
>> Hmmm...you weren't in the UK?
>> 
>> 
> Aberdeen

Doing a test at the proving ground and the test objective was to get away 
from something that was about to explode as fast as you could? ;-)

Jim

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On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:32:58 +0000, Invisible wrote:

> What I liked most was the warning to never put the seatbelt under your
> arm or behind your back. It seems so *ludicrously* obvious that this
> will result in horrifying bodily injury that I cannot believe anybody
> would do something so stupid...
> 
> ...and yet, they bothered to print the warning, so...

When shoulder belts first started being used, people who didn't want them 
would route them in weird places so they would just have the lap belt.

Just like people who grew up driving without a seat belt on at all - many 
have a hard time just putting the belt on.  Me, I can't drive even to a 
new parking space - or back down the driveway - with my seatbelt off.  It 
just feels weird.

Jim

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On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:12:17 -0500, Warp wrote:

>   Maybe they are philanthropes honestly worried about the safety of
>   children.

Well, children are "potential future customers".

Jim

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>
> Just like people who grew up driving without a seat belt
on at all - many
> have a hard time just putting the belt on.  Me, I can't
drive even to a
> new parking space - or back down the driveway - with my
seatbelt off.  It
> just feels weird.--Jim

I grew up without them and it took me years to create a
seatbelt habit. My dad installed seatbelts in a '57 Chevy
wagon sometime in the '60s. He only required us to put them
on when we were on the freeway (we lived in Los Angeles at
the time). My previous car had those seatbelts that
automatically pulled over you when you closed the door, I
miss that...
~db

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On 2/4/2010 6:07 AM, Invisible wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>
>> It's got a CD-changer in the front, which is nice. It's slot-loading
>> though, so any CDs you put in it are likely to get ruined. But then, I
>> always use custom CDs for the car anyway. If one gets broke, I burn
>> another copy.
>
> Wrong.
>
> Yesterday I thought I had a front-loading 6-disk CD changer which might
> even support MP3.
>
> Today I discovered that there's no MP3 support, but more seriously
> there's no CD changer either. It plays one and only one CD.
>
> So not only is this thing slot-load, but I'm going to be doing an awful
> lot of loading and ejecting disks! o_O
Hmm. Probably can't top that, but.. Got two new phones in the last three 
days. Why? Old one was a junk throw away they gave for free, with no 
features, but I could, with some tricks, get images and a midi file that 
"sort of" didn't sound horrible onto it. So, I request a phone that 
supports MP3. I get a "newer" model W385, which has no SD slot, no 
support in 4.5 of the phone tools at all, no way to get things on/off 
the phone, other than contacts, except via the data options, like web 
access, which I don't pay them for... Hmm. Ok, but I "can" cut a 30 
second bit from the MP3, buy a $50 version of Phone Tools 5.0, which 
supports it, then sort of upload the file, kind of..

The other option? Take the damn thing back, pay $20 more for a new 
Motorola RazrV3, which, because its an update of the V1 *is* compatible 
with the version of the tools I have, and upload/download any damn thing 
I want from/to it, including full MP3s, or any pictures I might take 
(other one had a camera, but you could only email/upload them via web 
access to get them off the phone).

I have, at this point, stopped trusting *anything* anyone says about 
hand held devices. Your lucky if you can run 3rd party stuff written for 
them properly without them crashing, use the features without 14 addons, 
or a higher cost plan, or special software, and half the time what "is" 
on them doesn't work all the time.

Nice to know I can look forward to the same BS from cars, if/when I ever 
get one. lol

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> Quizzical fact: I passed my car driving test first time, in about 10 
> minutes, after one driving lesson and driving through a red traffic light 
> and parking on the pavement (sidewalk) in a major city.
>
> How?

Because they were desperate for people to drive stuff in the war and were 
handing out licenses to anyone with at least one leg and one foot?  :-D

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> About the only thing that can go wrong with a tray-load drive is if the 
> disk isn't sitting in it properly, and it gets mashed when the tray tries 
> to shut.

Or if, for example, as the tray was closing you went over a little bump and 
the CD moved...  Or worse you are carefully trying to press the CD into the 
tray when you go over a bigger bump and you snap the tray right off!

FWIW I've had a slot load CD drive in every one of my cars (I nabbed my 
dad's old one for my Pug 205!) and never had any issue with them damaging or 
scratching discs.

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> I have a slot CD player that won't always release my CDs.

Happened on my Peugeot 206 when it was about 4 months old - took it back and 
they put a new one in there, and posted me back the stuck CD a few weeks 
later!  No problems after that - guess it was a design issue they fixed.

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>> Go ahead and give Saab 9-3 TTiD or BMW 123d a test-drive. They both have
>> *two* turbos, still no whistle nor mentionable lag.
>
> Oh yeah, like they're *really* going to let some college kid test-drive a 
> £400,000 car. :-P

a) you're not a college kid, and b) they don't cost that much.  The Saab or 
BMW dealer is going to jump all over you to try and sell you the car, of 
course with some horrendouly expensive finance scheme that they get 
commission for :-)

> Still, the only vehicle I've come across that had a turbo was a busted old 
> Land Rover that was, like, 30 years old or something and rusting apart... 
> Maybe they've improved since then?

You think? No sh!7.

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> Yesterday I thought I had a front-loading 6-disk CD changer which might 
> even support MP3.
>
> Today I discovered that there's no MP3 support, but more seriously there's 
> no CD changer either. It plays one and only one CD.

Haha, you've been had!

> So not only is this thing slot-load, but I'm going to be doing an awful 
> lot of loading and ejecting disks! o_O

Doesn't it have an aux input, just get an iPod or something, that's what I 
do.

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> My previous car (exact same brand and model, just the previous revision) 
> had a clutch which behaved normally. (Although it was starting to wear out 
> TBH. One more reason to get rid of it!)

Maybe get the clutch checked out, it might need adjusting? (if you still 
need to do such things nowadays, IDK)

>> That's actually a good thing. Light automation rocks, when you get used
>> to it you'll hate the German cars without it :-).
>
> This morning I drove to work on a dark, cloudy day - but the computer 
> still decided I didn't need my lights on. *I* would have kept them on 
> anyway...

I just have my lights on all the time, think I've only touched the light 
switch about 5 times in the 18 months I've had the car, it just stays in the 
"on" position.

> The wipers leave little streaks behind at exactly eye-height [but only on 
> the driver's side].

Clean them!  Or more extreme, replace the wiper blades (like 10 quid from 
Halfords and 10 minutes to attach).

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>> Yesterday I thought I had a front-loading 6-disk CD changer which 
>> might even support MP3.
>>
>> Today I discovered that there's no MP3 support, but more seriously 
>> there's no CD changer either. It plays one and only one CD.
> 
> Haha, you've been had!

More like the sales staff just don't know what they're talking about.

>> So not only is this thing slot-load, but I'm going to be doing an 
>> awful lot of loading and ejecting disks! o_O
> 
> Doesn't it have an aux input, just get an iPod or something, that's what 
> I do.

There's instructions in the manual for how to enable or disable aux 
input. But, helpfully, it doesn't say WHERE IT IS.

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>> My previous car (exact same brand and model, just the previous 
>> revision) had a clutch which behaved normally. (Although it was 
>> starting to wear out TBH. One more reason to get rid of it!)
> 
> Maybe get the clutch checked out, it might need adjusting? (if you still 
> need to do such things nowadays, IDK)

I specifically asked about this when I did the test drive, and they 
promised me they would look at this as part of their 101-point check. 
But, as far as I can tell, they did nothing.

>> The wipers leave little streaks behind at exactly eye-height [but only 
>> on the driver's side].
> 
> Clean them!  Or more extreme, replace the wiper blades (like 10 quid 
> from Halfords and 10 minutes to attach).

 From past experience, replacing wiper blades has no effect.

OTOH, at least these wipers don't make that grounching noise when the 
screen is dry...

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scott wrote:
>> About the only thing that can go wrong with a tray-load drive is if 
>> the disk isn't sitting in it properly, and it gets mashed when the 
>> tray tries to shut.
> 
> Or if, for example, as the tray was closing you went over a little bump 
> and the CD moved...  Or worse you are carefully trying to press the CD 
> into the tray when you go over a bigger bump and you snap the tray right 
> off!

Ah yes, tray-load in a moving vehicle is another matter. ;-)

Still, you could have the disk half way in the slot and snap it off the 
same way. (A slimsy little CD presumably being drastically easier to 
snap than a ruggid tray.)

> FWIW I've had a slot load CD drive in every one of my cars (I nabbed my 
> dad's old one for my Pug 205!) and never had any issue with them 
> damaging or scratching discs.

Well, as I say, I don't use original CDs in the car anyway, so...

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"scott" <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
> > Quizzical fact: I passed my car driving test first time, in about 10
> > minutes, after one driving lesson and driving through a red traffic light
> > and parking on the pavement (sidewalk) in a major city.
> >
> > How?
>
> Because they were desperate for people to drive stuff in the war and were
> handing out licenses to anyone with at least one leg and one foot?  :-D

You were learning to drive an emergency vehicle?

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> Still, you could have the disk half way in the slot and snap it off the 
> same way. (A slimsy little CD presumably being drastically easier to snap 
> than a ruggid tray.)

But IME you let go of the CD long before it's halfway in the slot, if you go 
over a bump before you get to that stage then the CD is free to rotate and 
nothing snaps.

> Well, as I say, I don't use original CDs in the car anyway, so...

Me neither - which is why I didn't care about just chucking them all in the 
glove box with no cases.

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> From past experience, replacing wiper blades has no effect.

You're doing something wrong then (once the guy who replaced a blade on my 
car screwed it up so it was twisted the wrong way), or the wiper mechanics 
are bent or something.  Assuming everything is clean (including the 
windscreen as Darren said) then new wiper blades should work perfectly, what 
else could be wrong?  Do you really think everyone drives around accepting 
badly-working wipers?

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scott wrote:
>> From past experience, replacing wiper blades has no effect.
> 
> You're doing something wrong then (once the guy who replaced a blade on 
> my car screwed it up so it was twisted the wrong way), or the wiper 
> mechanics are bent or something.  Assuming everything is clean 
> (including the windscreen as Darren said) then new wiper blades should 
> work perfectly, what else could be wrong?  Do you really think everyone 
> drives around accepting badly-working wipers?

Well, if it's not fixable, what else are you going to do?

The only thing I can think of is that some people buy more expensive 
wiper blades, which consequently work better. (I usually buy the £7 ones 
from Halfords. I'm sure they're not the finest qualify, but nobody else 
sells 'em.)

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> Well, if it's not fixable, what else are you going to do?

But it is fixable.  I would be rather surprised if, after replacing the 
blades, you still continued to get a nice arc of muck when you use them.  I 
just don't understand physcially how having a brand new wiper blade (of the 
correc type and fitted correctly) and a clean windscreen (including the area 
where the blades rest) would cause that to happen.

> The only thing I can think of is that some people buy more expensive wiper 
> blades, which consequently work better. (I usually buy the £7 ones from 
> Halfords. I'm sure they're not the finest qualify, but nobody else sells 
> 'em.)

How about going to the Renault garage to buy the original ones meant for 
your car?

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scott wrote:
>> Well, if it's not fixable, what else are you going to do?
> 
> But it is fixable.  I would be rather surprised if, after replacing the 
> blades, you still continued to get a nice arc of muck when you use 
> them.  I just don't understand physcially how having a brand new wiper 
> blade (of the correc type and fitted correctly) and a clean windscreen 
> (including the area where the blades rest) would cause that to happen.

It's not that it leaves muck behind, just that it swears the water 
around. Parts of the screen are cleared of water, and other parts aren't.

> How about going to the Renault garage to buy the original ones meant for 
> your car?

Heh. Well, I guess there might be one in England somewhere...

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>> How about going to the Renault garage to buy the original ones meant for 
>> your car?
> 
> Heh. Well, I guess there might be one in England somewhere...

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=renault+dealer+milton+keynes

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>>> How about going to the Renault garage to buy the original ones meant 
>>> for your car?
>>
>> Heh. Well, I guess there might be one in England somewhere...
> 
> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=renault+dealer+milton+keynes

OK, so what do we have here...

Camden Renault, which shut down last year.

Select Car Sales, which is in Bletchley. (But I guess that counts...)

A place in Bedford.

Pilling Mazda, which is an official Renault dealer? In Westcroft (so, 
fairly close by).

And that appears to be it, at least as far as Google Maps can tell me.

Checking http://www.dealer.renault.co.uk/ ... Yes, apparently Pilling is 
the only official dealer.

So I guess there are a few in this country, they're just rare.

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Bill Pragnell wrote:
> "scott" <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
>>> Quizzical fact: I passed my car driving test first time, in about 10
>>> minutes, after one driving lesson and driving through a red traffic light
>>> and parking on the pavement (sidewalk) in a major city.
>>>
>>> How?
>> Because they were desperate for people to drive stuff in the war and were
>> handing out licenses to anyone with at least one leg and one foot?  :-D
> 
> You were learning to drive an emergency vehicle?
> 
> 

You’re getting closer but not too close.

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Stephen <mca### [at] aolDOTcom> wrote:
> Bill Pragnell wrote:
> > "scott" <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
> >>> Quizzical fact: I passed my car driving test first time, in about 10
> >>> minutes, after one driving lesson and driving through a red traffic light
> >>> and parking on the pavement (sidewalk) in a major city.
> >>>
> >>> How?
> >> Because they were desperate for people to drive stuff in the war and were
> >> handing out licenses to anyone with at least one leg and one foot?  :-D
> >
> > You were learning to drive an emergency vehicle?
> >
> >
>
> You’re getting closer but not too close.

Your 'car' was an invalid carriage?
The 'driving test' was actually a driving mission in Grand Theft Auto?

Ah, I dunno

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:40:00 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> 
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:14:17 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:37:40 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How?
>>>>> Your examiner was blind? ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Nor drunk.
>>> Hmmm...you weren't in the UK?
>>>
>>>
>> Aberdeen
> 
> Doing a test at the proving ground and the test objective was to get away 
> from something that was about to explode as fast as you could? ;-)
> 
> Jim

I've done that in a lifeboat, though.

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Bill Pragnell wrote:

> Ah, I dunno
> 

Give in?

I had just started my test and had stopped at traffic lights in the 
outside lane of a dual carriageway. Ding-a-ling, ding-a-ling I saw a 
fire engine approaching me at speed in my rear view mirror. I told the 
driving tester that I was going to move into the gap between the 
carriageways to get out of the way. Bugger me, didn’t the fire engine 
follow me, turning right. The road ahead was too narrow for him to 
overtake me if I pulled into the side. So I told the tester that I was 
going up on the pavement. After the tender had passed, the tester told 
me to put the car back onto the road and stop after taking the next 
turning. He then asked me to do a three point turn and a couple of easy 
questions. I thought that he was just going through the motions. He then 
said that I had passed and never mentioned the fire engine at all. The 
whole test lasted less than 15 minutes.
I have dined out on that story for years :-)


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Stephen <mca### [at] aolDOTcom> wrote:
> Bill Pragnell wrote:
>
> > Ah, I dunno
> >
>
> Give in?
[snip]
> I have dined out on that story for years :-)

Excellent story. I take it the test wouldn't otherwise have been that short,
just ended up that way as a result of your initiative?

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> 
> About the only thing that can go wrong with a tray-load drive is if the
> disk isn't sitting in it properly, and it gets mashed when the tray
> tries to shut. USUALLY the servo system notices this and stops trying to
> shut the door. Depending on how cheap the drive is...
> 

Or the drive fails to stop the disk before ejecting it and it's still
rotating when the tray comes out. You would be surprised how fast the
disc leaves the tray from even a small bump...

-Aero

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> 
> I *was* going to buy a Mazda RX8. Almost the same price. [Obviously both
> are second-hand.] It has a 3.0 L Wankel engine, agressive styling,
> bucket seats, the whole lot.
> 
> ...but then I took it for a test drive. Man, it JUST DOESN'T MOVE!

You could have tried pressing the gas pedal, you know? The thing about
wankel is that it constantly rotates in just one direction, so it can
reach incredible rpm's. It probably wakes up when an otto-engine hits
the limiter (around 6-8krpm).

> I have since found out that the road tax alone is £500/year - that's
> more than my *insurance*! o_O

Well yes, it's not necessarily a cheap car to own :).

> Well maybe it just *looked* 30 years old then. It was really, really
> rusty. (But then, it was a Land Rover.) For example, there was a hole
> under the accelerator pedal where you can watch the road go past below.

Well yes, Land rover has incredibly traditional look and all, also it
one of the toughest (if not The toughest) cars ever done - they just
keep running.

-Aero

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Stephen wrote:
> You’re getting closer but not too close.

You're Amish?

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> 
> Once upon a time, some cars actually didn't *have* seatbelts, and so
> you'd have to go fit them. But yeah, today that doesn't happen much. My
> point is really that you now cannot modify almost any aspect of the car
> because there's so much high-tech stuff in there.

Well yes. I guess they've been standard since the 70's.

> Sure is! I guess it got five stars from NCAP for a reason. (That would
> also explain the huge door pillars that obscure the view of the road...)

Well yes. It makes it possible for you to stay alive and get hurt badly
for the rest of your life from the same speed you would've simply died
on your old car :p.

> It just means that if you want to make any modifications at all, you
> have to go through Renault, which limits choice and increases the price.
> (Not to mention that we don't *have* Renault dealers in England...)

Not necessarily, you can achieve the same safety level by doing things
yourself than with your old car. But you don't actually want that,
'cause you can get drastically better safety level by doing things right.

> My car doesn't *have* a warranty anyway. ;-)

Not anymore. It had when it was new.

>> That's probably in the service program, right?
> 
> Probably. If I had one.

The service company has one, you can ask them for it. They'll also know
what to do when you'll take your car to be serviced.

>> If you have a properly working automatic wiper option, you simply don't
>> need to touch the lever yourself except for some rare wipe-once
>> -situations - just keep it in the automatic position.
> 
> Doesn't work like that. Like I say, automatic seems to just mean "random
> speed". Doesn't appear to be related to the road conditions in any way.
> (Although I presume if it were to rain really hard, the wipers would
> speed up.) The long and short of it is that if I find that I can't see,
> I need the wipers to wipe NOW, not in 20 seconds' time.

Like I said, *properly working* automatic wipers work like that.

This for sure is the automation and not the speed-adjustment you mentioned?

> If I *ever* get a nice girl to sit in my car, I'm not sure they'll be
> any picnic stuff happening. 0;-)

Why not? Girls like picnics.

-Aero

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> 
> I've yet to meet a car where the wipers *don't* leave smears. My
> previous two cars have both had dozens of wiper blades, all to no avail.
> 

Welcome to look and see.

-Aero

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>> About the only thing that can go wrong with a tray-load drive is if the
>> disk isn't sitting in it properly, and it gets mashed when the tray
>> tries to shut. USUALLY the servo system notices this and stops trying to
>> shut the door. Depending on how cheap the drive is...
>>
> 
> Or the drive fails to stop the disk before ejecting it and it's still
> rotating when the tray comes out. You would be surprised how fast the
> disc leaves the tray from even a small bump...

I have never seen any drive, ever, do this. Not even lame laptop drives.

(I do, however, have a very old portable CD player. You stop the disk by 
opening the lid...)

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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> Well yes. I guess they've been standard since the 70's.

FWIW, they were required on cars starting in '62 or '64 or so in the USA.

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"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message
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> Eero Ahonen wrote:
> > Well yes. I guess they've been standard since the 70's.
> FWIW, they were required on cars starting in '62 or '64 or
so in the USA.

I didn't remember when, so I looked it up:

Most seat belt legislation in the United States is left to
the states. However, the first seat belt law was a federal
law which took effect on January 1, 1968 that required all
vehicles (except buses) to be fitted with seat belts in all
designated seating positions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation_in_the_United_States

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DungBeatle <dun### [at] moscowcom> wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation_in_the_United_States

  Is there anything for which there isn't an article at wikipedia?

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> DungBeatle <dun### [at] moscowcom> wrote:
> >
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation_in_the_United_States
>
>   Is there anything for which there isn't an article at
wikipedia?

Doesn't seem to have anything about DungBeatle... :)

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DungBeatle <dun### [at] moscowcom> wrote:

> "Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
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> > DungBeatle <dun### [at] moscowcom> wrote:
> > >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation_in_the_United_States
> >
> >   Is there anything for which there isn't an article at
> wikipedia?

> Doesn't seem to have anything about DungBeatle... :)

  Close enough: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dung_beetle

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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
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> DungBeatle <dun### [at] moscowcom> wrote:
> > "Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
> > news:4b6ca9e1@news.povray.org...
> > > DungBeatle <dun### [at] moscowcom> wrote:
> >
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation_in_the_United_States
> > >   Is there anything for which there isn't an article at
> > wikipedia?
> > Doesn't seem to have anything about DungBeatle... :)
>
>   Close enough: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dung_beetle

Not at all clsoe enough! :)

DungBeatle, like the crappy Beatle...
Remember them? The Beatles?
Maybe not...

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"DungBeatle" <dun### [at] moscowcom> wrote in message
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>
> "Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
> news:4b6cb1fa@news.povray.org...
> > DungBeatle <dun### [at] moscowcom> wrote:
> > > "Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
> > > news:4b6ca9e1@news.povray.org...
> > > > DungBeatle <dun### [at] moscowcom> wrote:
> > >
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation_in_the_United_States
> > > >   Is there anything for which there isn't an article at
> > > wikipedia?
> > > Doesn't seem to have anything about DungBeatle... :)
> >
> >   Close enough: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dung_beetle
>
> Not at all clsoe enough! :)

clsoe?

try "close"

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> I have never seen any drive, ever, do this. Not even lame laptop drives.

And I've seen 2 tray drives do this. It's rare, but hazard.

-Aero

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Bill Pragnell wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolDOTcom> wrote:
>> Bill Pragnell wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, I dunno
>>>
>> Give in?
> [snip]
>> I have dined out on that story for years :-)
> 
> Excellent story. I take it the test wouldn't otherwise have been that short,
> just ended up that way as a result of your initiative?
> 
> 

I don’t know how long a test normally takes. My bike test seemed to last 
hours, subjectively. That test was over before we had driven to where 
the testing normally takes place. I really thought that I had failed it 
before it had started.
  I also missed out, to improve the story, that I had been riding a 
motorbike for about five years and driving a car illegally without a 
licence for a year. I was also brought up in a fire station so I had no 
fear of fire engines.


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	Stephen

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