>> Currently in discussions with a friendly guy who's looking to hire a
>> programmer. We'll see if this leads anywhere...
> 
> Could be just the thing you were looking for.  Good luck!

Heh, yeah. It probably won't be, but I might get some useful information 
out of it...

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On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:11:22 +0000, Invisible wrote:

>>> Currently in discussions with a friendly guy who's looking to hire a
>>> programmer. We'll see if this leads anywhere...
>> 
>> Could be just the thing you were looking for.  Good luck!
> 
> Heh, yeah. It probably won't be, but I might get some useful information
> out of it...

Exactly - when applying for jobs, if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work 
out - but you get some experience with the application (and potentially 
the interview) process, and that's always good to have.

Jim

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scott wrote:
>> Sure. But to be paid 20 years later (after several years of 
>> experience) at a wholesale rate lower than I was taking home?
> 
> A new graduate in the UK will be getting 20-30K pounds, that equates to 
> $25-$35k take home pay.

Now where on earth do you find data like that?

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On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:33:59 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> scott wrote:
>>> Sure. But to be paid 20 years later (after several years of
>>> experience) at a wholesale rate lower than I was taking home?
>> 
>> A new graduate in the UK will be getting 20-30K pounds, that equates to
>> $25-$35k take home pay.
> 
> Now where on earth do you find data like that?

http://tinyurl.com/yl8h5ys perhaps?

Jim

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>> Now where on earth do you find data like that?
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/yl8h5ys perhaps?

I can barely believe that that actually works...

Anyway, I'd expect the figures to vary by subject area and region. (The 
Prospects survey apparently covers mainly jobs in London, and everything 
in London is 8x more expensive, so I guess people get paid more.) 
Whatever, it's no secret that I'm underpaid.

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On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:53:30 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> I can barely believe that that actually works...

And yet here we are. :-)

> Anyway, I'd expect the figures to vary by subject area and region. (The
> Prospects survey apparently covers mainly jobs in London, and everything
> in London is 8x more expensive, so I guess people get paid more.)

Cost of living is certainly a factor - I make pretty good money in Utah, 
but I could barely live on my salary in San Francisco (and own a house).

> Whatever, it's no secret that I'm underpaid.

True - but as we've said before, when you look for a new job, don't use 
your current pay as an assumed base, especially when considering where 
you can afford to live.  Your current salary has no bearing on that - 
it's what you'll make in the new job that has the most bearing on what 
you'll be able to afford.

Jim

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Strike a light - I enquired about a vacancy on the Haskell mailing list, 
> and actually got a response for the first time ever! o_O
> 
> Currently in discussions with a friendly guy who's looking to hire a 
> programmer. We'll see if this leads anywhere...
> 

If you are looking for a reference...

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Stephen wrote:

> If you are looking for a reference...

...

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
> 
>> If you are looking for a reference...
> 
> ....
> 

I'll give you one, reference that is.


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> I'll give you one

O_O

> reference that is.

Oh, right.

Hokey, that makes 2 references now...

(Otherwise it would have made 2 offers from men, which would be a Bad 
Thing.)

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> I'll give you one
> 
> O_O
> 
>> reference that is.
> 
> Oh, right.
> 
> Hokey, that makes 2 references now...
> 
> (Otherwise it would have made 2 offers from men, which would be a Bad 
> Thing.)
> 

Don't knock it unless you've tried it ;)


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I keep trying to find that one episode of QC where Raven plans to 
increase business using sex... but since all the strips have titles 
which are part of the punchline rather than being descriptive, and 
Google can't read image text, it's proving nearly impossible to find. :-(

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On 3-2-2010 21:29, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:53:30 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>> Whatever, it's no secret that I'm underpaid.
> 
> True - but as we've said before, when you look for a new job, don't use 
> your current pay as an assumed base, especially when considering where 
> you can afford to live.  Your current salary has no bearing on that - 
> it's what you'll make in the new job that has the most bearing on what 
> you'll be able to afford.

If you put it that way it seems to make sense. No wonder that we have 
repeatedly tried to get it into his thick head. I wonder why that didn't 
work...

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On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 23:36:19 +0100, andrel wrote:

> If you put it that way it seems to make sense.

If I'm starting to make sense, be afraid....be very afraid. ;-)

Jim

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On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:48:50 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> I'll give you one
>> 
>> O_O
>> 
>>> reference that is.
>> 
>> Oh, right.
>> 
>> Hokey, that makes 2 references now...
>> 
>> (Otherwise it would have made 2 offers from men, which would be a Bad
>> Thing.)
>> 
>> 
> Don't knock it unless you've tried it ;)

LOL

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 23:36:19 +0100, andrel wrote:
> 
>> If you put it that way it seems to make sense.
> 
> If I'm starting to make sense, be afraid....be very afraid. ;-)
> 

LOL


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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:48:50 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> 
>> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>> I'll give you one
>>> O_O
>>>
>>>> reference that is.
>>> Oh, right.
>>>
>>> Hokey, that makes 2 references now...
>>>
>>> (Otherwise it would have made 2 offers from men, which would be a Bad
>>> Thing.)
>>>
>>>
>> Don't knock it unless you've tried it ;)
> 
> LOL

The old ones are the best ones :-P

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Strike a light - I enquired about a vacancy on the Haskell mailing list, 
> and actually got a response for the first time ever! o_O
> 
> Currently in discussions with a friendly guy who's looking to hire a 
> programmer. We'll see if this leads anywhere...

So I *finally* sent them my CV. Apparently they're now considering it.

Also: Cambridge is actually *further away* than Coventry. Idiot. (I was 
thinking of Oxford...)

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On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:50:48 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> Strike a light - I enquired about a vacancy on the Haskell mailing
>> list, and actually got a response for the first time ever! o_O
>> 
>> Currently in discussions with a friendly guy who's looking to hire a
>> programmer. We'll see if this leads anywhere...
> 
> So I *finally* sent them my CV. Apparently they're now considering it.

Good!

> Also: Cambridge is actually *further away* than Coventry. Idiot. (I was
> thinking of Oxford...)

Well, see what the pay looks like; if it's a reasonable wage, look at 
what the cost of living is around Cambridge; see if they can help you 
with housing.  It never hurts to ask.

Jim

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>> So I *finally* sent them my CV. Apparently they're now considering it.
> 
> Good!

Very quiet here...

>> Also: Cambridge is actually *further away* than Coventry. Idiot. (I was
>> thinking of Oxford...)
> 
> Well, see what the pay looks like; if it's a reasonable wage, look at 
> what the cost of living is around Cambridge; see if they can help you 
> with housing.  It never hurts to ask.

Well, sure, let's just see if they even ask to interview me first! ;-)

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On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:16:54 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>>> So I *finally* sent them my CV. Apparently they're now considering it.
>> 
>> Good!
> 
> Very quiet here...
> 
>>> Also: Cambridge is actually *further away* than Coventry. Idiot. (I
>>> was thinking of Oxford...)
>> 
>> Well, see what the pay looks like; if it's a reasonable wage, look at
>> what the cost of living is around Cambridge; see if they can help you
>> with housing.  It never hurts to ask.
> 
> Well, sure, let's just see if they even ask to interview me first! ;-)

That would also be a good step, sure - I'm just saying that you shouldn't 
discount them because of where they are.  :-)

Jim

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>> Well, sure, let's just see if they even ask to interview me first! ;-)
> 
> That would also be a good step, sure - I'm just saying that you shouldn't 
> discount them because of where they are.  :-)

I applied, didn't I? ;-)

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On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:49:47 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>>> Well, sure, let's just see if they even ask to interview me first! ;-)
>> 
>> That would also be a good step, sure - I'm just saying that you
>> shouldn't discount them because of where they are.  :-)
> 
> I applied, didn't I? ;-)

Indeed you did - and that's definitely a step in the right direction. :-)

I just didn't want you to be discouraged now that you've realised they're 
not where you thought they were. :)

Jim

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>>>> Well, sure, let's just see if they even ask to interview me first! ;-)
>>> That would also be a good step, sure - I'm just saying that you
>>> shouldn't discount them because of where they are.  :-)
>> I applied, didn't I? ;-)
> 
> Indeed you did - and that's definitely a step in the right direction. :-)
> 
> I just didn't want you to be discouraged now that you've realised they're 
> not where you thought they were. :)

Meh. I applied for a place in Glasgow. :-P I'm not quite as hung-up on 
location as everybody thinks.

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On 15-2-2010 10:06, Invisible wrote:
>>>>> Well, sure, let's just see if they even ask to interview me first! ;-)
>>>> That would also be a good step, sure - I'm just saying that you
>>>> shouldn't discount them because of where they are.  :-)
>>> I applied, didn't I? ;-)
>>
>> Indeed you did - and that's definitely a step in the right direction. :-)
>>
>> I just didn't want you to be discouraged now that you've realised 
>> they're not where you thought they were. :)
> 
> Meh. I applied for a place in Glasgow. :-P I'm not quite as hung-up on 
> location as everybody thinks.

Why would we think that?   ;)

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On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:06:50 +0000, Invisible wrote:

>>>>> Well, sure, let's just see if they even ask to interview me first!
>>>>> ;-)
>>>> That would also be a good step, sure - I'm just saying that you
>>>> shouldn't discount them because of where they are.  :-)
>>> I applied, didn't I? ;-)
>> 
>> Indeed you did - and that's definitely a step in the right direction.
>> :-)
>> 
>> I just didn't want you to be discouraged now that you've realised
>> they're not where you thought they were. :)
> 
> Meh. I applied for a place in Glasgow. :-P I'm not quite as hung-up on
> location as everybody thinks.

This is the first evidence to the contrary that has been presented.  That 
being the case, good for you!

Jim

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