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I'm confused.
In June of 2009, Michael Jackson was a complete joke. He was a pedophile
who got away with it, and everyone "knew" it. All of his musical
accomplishments were largely forgotten, or swept under the rug.
Then he died.
For the next 2 months, he was on TV every single day, often MTV or VH1, but
nearly every day, someone was running a special about him on some channel.
Someone put together a movie. You'd hear his songs being played in cars as
they drove by. Suddenly, it was perfectly ok to like Michael Jackson again
without being laughed at. Why?
When OJ dies, are we suddenly going to celebrate his NFL accomplishments
again? This all seems wrong. It would make more sense to either forgive
the person while they are alive, or to continuing laughing at them after
they die. This sort of switch seems very disengenuous to me.
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On 26-1-2010 21:07, Jeremy "UncleHoot" Praay wrote:
> I'm confused.
>
> In June of 2009, Michael Jackson was a complete joke. He was a pedophile
> who got away with it, and everyone "knew" it. All of his musical
> accomplishments were largely forgotten, or swept under the rug.
>
> Then he died.
>
> For the next 2 months, he was on TV every single day, often MTV or VH1, but
> nearly every day, someone was running a special about him on some channel.
> Someone put together a movie. You'd hear his songs being played in cars as
> they drove by. Suddenly, it was perfectly ok to like Michael Jackson again
> without being laughed at. Why?
There is a real possibility that if the comeback show was a success that
that would also have had a positive turn for him.
> When OJ dies, are we suddenly going to celebrate his NFL accomplishments
> again?
I don't, but you might.
> This all seems wrong. It would make more sense to either forgive
> the person while they are alive, or to continuing laughing at them after
> they die. This sort of switch seems very disengenuous to me.
I disagree. You always judge a living person as who he is now. And even
if you don't try to, the media will. When hse dies you look at the
entire lifespan.
It is also sort of the same for family and spouses. You may be in the
final stages of a divorce, but when hse dies you will mainly remember
why you married in the first place.
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"Jeremy \"UncleHoot\" Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftware cmo> wrote:
> In June of 2009, Michael Jackson was a complete joke. He was a pedophile
> who got away with it, and everyone "knew" it. All of his musical
> accomplishments were largely forgotten, or swept under the rug.
You are seeing only one side of it. The internet and tabloids were full
of MJ jokes (and outright insults), but those were just a vocal minority.
If *everybody* (or even the majority) had thought he was a complete joke,
his albums wouldn't have sold as much as they did.
> For the next 2 months, he was on TV every single day, often MTV or VH1, but
> nearly every day, someone was running a special about him on some channel.
> Someone put together a movie. You'd hear his songs being played in cars as
> they drove by. Suddenly, it was perfectly ok to like Michael Jackson again
> without being laughed at. Why?
Because making jokes about a dead person is considered a faux pas.
Also, the majority who appreciated MJ are now more vocal than the minority
who laughed at him.
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- Warp
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Jeremy "UncleHoot" Praay wrote:
> Then he died.
Have you noticed how every time a schoolboy is killed in a tragic
accident or dies of a horrible disease or is randomly shot by gunmen or
something, his friends from the school always say "he was a happy,
out-going boy who was loved by everyone"?
I've never yet heard anybody say "it's a shame he's dead, but actually
he was a bit of a tosser". Surely some people who get killed *are* not
well liked. Not that they deserve to die or anything, but surely not
everybody who gets killed was the very center of the community they
lived in.
I sometimes wonder what people will say about me after I'm dead. Whether
they'll claim I was popular and successful, liked by everybody. Or
whether they'll say the truth: that hardly anybody even noticed me in
their day to day lives. I can just see the conversation in the tea room
at work now. "Andrew died." "Oh, that's terrible." "Yeah." "...anyway,
so what did you do this weekend?"
Of course, most of the people who "know" me are only contactable online,
so if I did die, most of the people I know would just assume my PC
stopped working or something...
The fact that I've spent this long thinking about my own death probably
tells you something about my mental state. o_O
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http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I sometimes wonder what people will say about me after I'm dead.
I'm sure that we will all be here laughing at your poor literacy,
your bloggish posts and your luck with women (or lack thereof)... ;)
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It was not Michael Jackson who died, it was just this sad old freak, you know?
His persona, mannerisms, performances and music will live on.
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On 26-1-2010 22:32, Warp wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> I sometimes wonder what people will say about me after I'm dead.
>
> I'm sure that we will all be here laughing at your poor literacy,
> your bloggish posts and your luck with women (or lack thereof)... ;)
I don't think so.
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andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> On 26-1-2010 22:32, Warp wrote:
> > Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >> I sometimes wonder what people will say about me after I'm dead.
> >
> > I'm sure that we will all be here laughing at your poor literacy,
> > your bloggish posts and your luck with women (or lack thereof)... ;)
> I don't think so.
Your sense of humor is astounding.
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On 26-1-2010 23:20, Warp wrote:
> andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> On 26-1-2010 22:32, Warp wrote:
>>> Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>>> I sometimes wonder what people will say about me after I'm dead.
>>> I'm sure that we will all be here laughing at your poor literacy,
>>> your bloggish posts and your luck with women (or lack thereof)... ;)
>
>> I don't think so.
>
> Your sense of humor is astounding.
Thanks, I aim to please
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On 01/26/10 12:07, Jeremy "UncleHoot" Praay wrote:
> I'm confused.
>
> In June of 2009, Michael Jackson was a complete joke. He was a pedophile
> who got away with it, and everyone "knew" it. All of his musical
> accomplishments were largely forgotten, or swept under the rug.
You must not have been on the newsgroups when it happened. Certainly,
the "everyone knew it" claim is quite questionable.
> For the next 2 months, he was on TV every single day, often MTV or VH1, but
> nearly every day, someone was running a special about him on some channel.
> Someone put together a movie. You'd hear his songs being played in cars as
> they drove by. Suddenly, it was perfectly ok to like Michael Jackson again
> without being laughed at. Why?
You do realize he still had a huge number of fans prior to his death,
right?
--
"Graphic Artist seeks Boss with vision impairment."
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Neeum Zawan <m.n### [at] ieeeorg> wrote:
> On 01/26/10 12:07, Jeremy "UncleHoot" Praay wrote:
> > I'm confused.
> >
> > In June of 2009, Michael Jackson was a complete joke. He was a pedophile
> > who got away with it, and everyone "knew" it. All of his musical
> > accomplishments were largely forgotten, or swept under the rug.
> You must not have been on the newsgroups when it happened. Certainly,
> the "everyone knew it" claim is quite questionable.
I understood Jeremy to mean that everyone took for granted that he was
guilty, even though there's no actual proof. (After all, in modern society
being accused of child molestation equals being guilty.) I don't think he
meant that *he* takes it for granted.
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On 01/26/10 14:49, Warp wrote:
>> You must not have been on the newsgroups when it happened. Certainly,
>> the "everyone knew it" claim is quite questionable.
>
> I understood Jeremy to mean that everyone took for granted that he was
> guilty, even though there's no actual proof. (After all, in modern society
Yes, and I was questioning that assumption.
--
"Graphic Artist seeks Boss with vision impairment."
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Warp wrote:
> andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> On 26-1-2010 22:32, Warp wrote:
>>> Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>>> I sometimes wonder what people will say about me after I'm dead.
>>> I'm sure that we will all be here laughing at your poor literacy,
>>> your bloggish posts and your luck with women (or lack thereof)... ;)
>
>> I don't think so.
>
> Your sense of humor is astounding.
>
As is yours.
--
Best Regards,
Stephen
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Warp wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> I sometimes wonder what people will say about me after I'm dead.
>
> I'm sure that we will all be here laughing at your poor literacy,
> your bloggish posts and your luck with women (or lack thereof)... ;)
>
Don’t believe him, Andrew.
I’ll be wondering if I can get that pint you owe me, from your estate. ;)
Actually, I’ve been thinking about it as well, since Steve Paget (St)
died earlier this month. <Shakes fist at sky and shouts “Damn you, God.>
--
Best Regards,
Stephen
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>>> I sometimes wonder what people will say about me after I'm dead.
>>
>> I'm sure that we will all be here laughing at your poor literacy,
>> your bloggish posts and your luck with women (or lack thereof)... ;)
>
> Don’t believe him, Andrew.
> I’ll be wondering if I can get that pint you owe me, from your estate. ;)
Oh dear God... I can just see it now. "Hello sir. I'm sorry for your
recent loss. You owe me a pint!" o_O
> Actually, I’ve been thinking about it as well, since Steve Paget (St)
> died earlier this month. <Shakes fist at sky and shouts “Damn you, God.>
No no, God damns *you*, not the other way around. ;-)
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Stephen wrote:
> I’ll be wondering if I can get that pint you owe me, from your estate. ;)
>
> Actually, I’ve been thinking about it as well, since Steve Paget (St)
> died earlier this month. <Shakes fist at sky and shouts “Damn you, God.>
...would now be a bad time to mention that I of the three guys I met, I
don't actually remember who was who?
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Invisible wrote:
>>>> I sometimes wonder what people will say about me after I'm dead.
>>>
>>> I'm sure that we will all be here laughing at your poor literacy,
>>> your bloggish posts and your luck with women (or lack thereof)... ;)
>>
>> Don’t believe him, Andrew.
>> I’ll be wondering if I can get that pint you owe me, from your estate. ;)
>
> Oh dear God... I can just see it now. "Hello sir. I'm sorry for your
> recent loss. You owe me a pint!" o_O
>
But what I don’t want is pint of “Fire and Brimstone” ;)
>> Actually, I’ve been thinking about it as well, since Steve Paget (St)
>> died earlier this month. <Shakes fist at sky and shouts “Damn you, God.>
>
> No no, God damns *you*, not the other way around. ;-)
It depends on your viewpoint :-P
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Stephen
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Invisible wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>
>> I’ll be wondering if I can get that pint you owe me, from your estate. ;)
>>
>> Actually, I’ve been thinking about it as well, since Steve Paget (St)
>> died earlier this month. <Shakes fist at sky and shouts “Damn you, God.>
>
> ....would now be a bad time to mention that I of the three guys I met, I
> don't actually remember who was who?
Yes it would be.
He was the one who was neither Dr John nor me. That is the youngest (not
counting yourself)
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Stephen
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Stephen wrote:
> He was the one who was neither Dr John nor me.
Oh, well, that clears that up then.
Who are you?
;-)
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Invisible wrote:
> Who are you?
Oh, I remember. You're Henry Gibson. ;-)
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"Neeum Zawan" <m.n### [at] ieeeorg> wrote in message
news:4b5f6fa1$1@news.povray.org...
> You do realize he still had a huge number of fans prior to his death,
> right?
Yes, but those fans became largely invisible. They were not fashionable.
They were mocked. Then we he died, we allowed them to come out of the
closet (so to speak) and suddenly, it was perfectly acceptable to like
Michael Jackson once again.
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Orchid XP v8 escreveu:
> The fact that I've spent this long thinking about my own death probably
> tells you something about my mental state. o_O
oh, I began wondering when you posted that wikipedia article about
poison. Now this. I see some sick connection there. Hope your
chemestry skills are as good as your social skills. :)
--
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Jeremy "UncleHoot" Praay escreveu:
> "Neeum Zawan" <m.n### [at] ieeeorg> wrote in message
> news:4b5f6fa1$1@news.povray.org...
>> You do realize he still had a huge number of fans prior to his death,
>> right?
>
> Yes, but those fans became largely invisible. They were not fashionable.
> They were mocked. Then we he died, we allowed them to come out of the
> closet (so to speak) and suddenly, it was perfectly acceptable to like
> Michael Jackson once again.
MJ is the essence of the 1980's. Guess what, those who were teens back
then are the leaders of the world today. Things we loved in our youth
continue with us for all life. Those people set the trends and the
trend is a 80's flashback.
After the successful "That's 70's show" TV show, the producers decided
to pursue "That's 80's show" but alas it was too early (besides 80's
were never as fun as the 70's). Had it popped in right after MJ's
death, it'd likely be huge.
--
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>> You do realize he still had a huge number of fans prior to his death,
>> right?
>
> Yes, but those fans became largely invisible. They were not fashionable.
> They were mocked. Then we he died, we allowed them to come out of the
> closet (so to speak) and suddenly, it was perfectly acceptable to like
> Michael Jackson once again.
FWIW, I _still_ don't like Michael Jackson. Even if he *is* dead. :-P
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On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:54:15 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>> I don't think so.
>>
>> Your sense of humor is astounding.
>>
>>
> As is yours.
Agreed.
Jim
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Invisible wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>
>> He was the one who was neither Dr John nor me.
>
> Oh, well, that clears that up then.
>
> Who are you?
>
> ;-)
The guy you owe a pint to, remember.
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Invisible wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>
>> Who are you?
>
> Oh, I remember. You're Henry Gibson. ;-)
Close, but no cigar.
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Stephen
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On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:47:59 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> Invisible wrote:
>>
>>> Who are you?
>>
>> Oh, I remember. You're Henry Gibson. ;-)
>
> Close, but no cigar.
I didn't know Henry Gibson had a cigar. ;-)
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:47:59 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>> Invisible wrote:
>>> Invisible wrote:
>>>
>>>> Who are you?
>>> Oh, I remember. You're Henry Gibson. ;-)
>> Close, but no cigar.
>
> I didn't know Henry Gibson had a cigar. ;-)
>
I did not know that he died last year.
There is a similarity in the colour of our hair. I went white young. LOL
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On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:19:33 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:47:59 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Invisible wrote:
>>>> Invisible wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Who are you?
>>>> Oh, I remember. You're Henry Gibson. ;-)
>>> Close, but no cigar.
>>
>> I didn't know Henry Gibson had a cigar. ;-)
>>
>>
> I did not know that he died last year.
I didn't either.
> There is a similarity in the colour of our hair. I went white young. LOL
LOL; I had lunch with someone yesterday who claimed that I've got hair
going grey. I'm blond, so it'd be hard to tell, but I may have to ask
Amy to check. :-)
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:19:33 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>> There is a similarity in the colour of our hair. I went white young. LOL
>
> LOL; I had lunch with someone yesterday who claimed that I've got hair
> going grey. I'm blond, so it'd be hard to tell, but I may have to ask
> Amy to check. :-)
>
> Jim
It was no problem for me going grey. I started young with my first
silver hair at 13 so I’ve had a long time to get used to it.
Actually the only two problems are in the sun where my hair is little
protection and I suspect that it reflects in the UV. Good job I don’t
mind bees. :)
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Stephen
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On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:15:11 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> It was no problem for me going grey. I started young with my first
> silver hair at 13 so I’ve had a long time to get used to it. Actually
> the only two problems are in the sun where my hair is little protection
> and I suspect that it reflects in the UV. Good job I don’t mind bees. :)
:-)
I tend to stay out of the sun myself, always been pretty fair-skinned,
and always prone to sunburn. Here at altitude, it's that much stronger,
and even then not as bad as if I go up in the mountains to hike.
Jim
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Jeremy "UncleHoot" Praay wrote:
> I'm confused.
>
> In June of 2009, Michael Jackson was a complete joke. He was a pedophile
> who got away with it, and everyone "knew" it. All of his musical
> accomplishments were largely forgotten, or swept under the rug.
>
> Then he died.
>
> For the next 2 months, he was on TV every single day, often MTV or VH1, but
> nearly every day, someone was running a special about him on some channel.
> Someone put together a movie. You'd hear his songs being played in cars as
> they drove by. Suddenly, it was perfectly ok to like Michael Jackson again
> without being laughed at. Why?
>
> When OJ dies, are we suddenly going to celebrate his NFL accomplishments
> again? This all seems wrong. It would make more sense to either forgive
> the person while they are alive, or to continuing laughing at them after
> they die. This sort of switch seems very disengenuous to me.
>
>
Not really the thrust of your question, why was he LIKED again, but a
partial answer to why was he suddenly back in the media again, I heard
answered by a journalist. His explanation was that in the current state
of fractured media audiences, journalists immediately recognized that
Jackson's death represented one of the few remaining blockbuster stories
insofar as Jackson was a figure that everyone recognized across all
cultural factions. So any journalist that knew what they were doing
descended on the story even if they had to hold their nose doing it.
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 06:15:11 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>> It was no problem for me going grey. I started young with my first
>> silver hair at 13 so I’ve had a long time to get used to it. Actually
>> the only two problems are in the sun where my hair is little protection
>> and I suspect that it reflects in the UV. Good job I don’t mind bees. :)
>
> :-)
>
> I tend to stay out of the sun myself, always been pretty fair-skinned,
> and always prone to sunburn. Here at altitude, it's that much stronger,
> and even then not as bad as if I go up in the mountains to hike.
>
I’d like to say that I do too but it depends on the time of year,
really. In the summer I stay in the shade but during the winter and
spring sunlight is a magnet. Having worked in tropical climes I’ve
picked up the attitude that it is embarrassing to show signs of sunburn.
(I don’t want to be a red neck ;) )
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Stephen
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On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:38:27 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> I’d like to say that I do too but it depends on the time of year,
> really. In the summer I stay in the shade but during the winter and
> spring sunlight is a magnet. Having worked in tropical climes I’ve
> picked up the attitude that it is embarrassing to show signs of sunburn.
> (I don’t want to be a red neck ;) )
I know the feeling. Though for me, it used to be my ears that would get
really badly sunburnt.
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:38:27 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>> I’d like to say that I do too but it depends on the time of year,
>> really. In the summer I stay in the shade but during the winter and
>> spring sunlight is a magnet. Having worked in tropical climes I’ve
>> picked up the attitude that it is embarrassing to show signs of sunburn.
>> (I don’t want to be a red neck ;) )
>
> I know the feeling. Though for me, it used to be my ears that would get
> really badly sunburnt.
>
Sorry that was a historical joke as I believe it was the Jocks whose
necks went red in the American sun,
Another fact, the Fiery Cross is another Scottish thing. It origionaly
called the clans to a meeting. Don’t ya love it?
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Stephen
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On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:02:09 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> Sorry that was a historical joke as I believe it was the Jocks whose
> necks went red in the American sun,
Ah, now my wife would've probably caught that. :-)
> Another fact, the Fiery Cross is another Scottish thing. It origionaly
> called the clans to a meeting. Don’t ya love it?
Interesting....or am I missing another joke? ;-)
Jim
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"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:02:09 +0000, Stephen wrote:
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> > Another fact, the Fiery Cross is another Scottish thing.
It origionaly
> > called the clans to a meeting. Don't ya love it?
> Interesting....or am I missing another joke? ;-)
KKK?
~db
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DungBeatle <dun### [at] moscowcom> wrote:
> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:4b69ffe6$1@news.povray.org...
> > On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:02:09 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> >
> > > Another fact, the Fiery Cross is another Scottish thing.
> It origionaly
> > > called the clans to a meeting. Don't ya love it?
> > Interesting....or am I missing another joke? ;-)
> KKK?
http://failblog.org/2008/08/19/supermarket-fail/
"So, how much for a 2-meters wooden cross?"
Yeah, only in Finland. (I honestly wonder why they haven't banned that
logo yet.)
--
- Warp
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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
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> DungBeatle <dun### [at] moscowcom> wrote:
> > "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
> > news:4b69ffe6$1@news.povray.org...
> > > On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:02:09 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> > > > Another fact, the Fiery Cross is another Scottish
thing.
> > It origionaly
> > > > called the clans to a meeting. Don't ya love it?
> > > Interesting....or am I missing another joke? ;-)
> > KKK?
>
> http://failblog.org/2008/08/19/supermarket-fail/
>
> "So, how much for a 2-meters wooden cross?"
>
> Yeah, only in Finland. (I honestly wonder why they
haven't banned that
> logo yet.)--Warp
Heh, that's pretty funny! :)
~db
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Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Another fact, the Fiery Cross is another Scottish thing. It origionaly
>> called the clans to a meeting. Don’t ya love it?
>
> Interesting....or am I missing another joke? ;-)
>
No, unfortunately. The bed sheets are not ours, though.
--
Best Regards,
Stephen
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On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:22:40 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
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>>> Another fact, the Fiery Cross is another Scottish thing. It origionaly
>>> called the clans to a meeting. Don’t ya love it?
>>
>> Interesting....or am I missing another joke? ;-)
>>
>>
> No, unfortunately. The bed sheets are not ours, though.
Well, that's a good thing....
Jim
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