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Sabrina Kilian wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Stephen wrote:
>>> Is that the story where dancers were weighed down by chains and
>>> weights and the protagonist rebelled and danced for all he was worth?
>> That's the one I was thinking of, yes.
>>
>
> Harrison Bergeron, Vonnegut.
Thank you!
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Human nature dictates that toothpaste tubes spend
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:07:18 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> As somebody who actually lives in the UK, I think that church schools
>>>> should be banned too.
>>> They still have those?! Man...
>>>
>>>
>> Just name a religion, C o E, catholic, Jewish, Muslim…
>
> Jedi? ;-)
>
Jedi Knights are mostly an underground religion in the UK except in my
birth town.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8003067.stm
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Sabrina Kilian wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Stephen wrote:
>>> Is that the story where dancers were weighed down by chains and
>>> weights and the protagonist rebelled and danced for all he was worth?
>> That's the one I was thinking of, yes.
>>
>
> Harrison Bergeron, Vonnegut.
Well done that Pover. ;)
Phew! I almost got myself into trouble with that response.
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Darren New wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>> Darren New wrote:
>>> Warp wrote:
>>>> That's a bit like saying that everybody should have the same
>>>> quality of
>>>> vision, and to do that, we make everybody blind so that now truly
>>>> everybody
>>>> will be equal in terms of vision. That's just silly.
>>>
>>> Wasn't it Harlan Ellison who did a short story about that? And it's
>>> turning into a film now, I think? I couldn't find the name of it, tho.
>>>
>>
>> Is that the story where dancers were weighed down by chains and
>> weights and the protagonist rebelled and danced for all he was worth?
>
> That's the one I was thinking of, yes.
>
A satire if you recall.
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Invisible wrote:
> Yes, it would be nice if the world was perfect. But this isn't the right
> way to achieve that. Banning private schools would just make a lot of
> work for law-makers and law-enforcers without actually achieving anything.
Wait, hold it...hold it...
"Banning private schools would just make a lot of work for law-makers
and law-enforcers without actually achieving anything."
"would just make a lot of work for law-makers and law-enforcers without
actually achieving anything"
"work for law-makers and law-enforcers"
By Jove, I think you've struck the proverbial nail on the head!
TWO WORDS: JOB SECURITY.
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On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:56:55 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> Jedi Knights are mostly an underground religion in the UK except in my
> birth town.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8003067.stm
Well, as far as anyone knows, after all, <hand wave> 'these aren't the
droids you're looking for' covers a multitude of sins. ;-)
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:56:55 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>> Jedi Knights are mostly an underground religion in the UK except in my
>> birth town.
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8003067.stm
>
> Well, as far as anyone knows, after all, <hand wave> 'these aren't the
> droids you're looking for' covers a multitude of sins. ;-)
>
> Jim
See you Jimmie! Can yer mither sew? :)
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On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:04:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>> Well, as far as anyone knows, after all, <hand wave> 'these aren't the
>> droids you're looking for' covers a multitude of sins. ;-)
>>
> See you Jimmie! Can yer mither sew? :)
LOL! As a matter of fact, she does - professionally. She's got her own
business doing all sorts of sewing. ;-)
Jim
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>> See you Jimmie! Can yer mither sew? :)
>
> LOL! As a matter of fact, she does - professionally. She's got her own
> business doing all sorts of sewing. ;-)
My grandmother used to be in that profession. Why, she still owns a
sewing machine that's fully capable of sewing through leather - or
human, flesh, for that matter. That's happened once or twice before now...
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On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:10:30 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> See you Jimmie! Can yer mither sew? :)
>>
>> LOL! As a matter of fact, she does - professionally. She's got her
>> own business doing all sorts of sewing. ;-)
>
> My grandmother used to be in that profession. Why, she still owns a
> sewing machine that's fully capable of sewing through leather - or
> human, flesh, for that matter.
My mom's got at least 3 that she uses for different purposes. She does a
fair amount of quilt making, but also does an awful lot of custom work -
from upholstery to wedding dresses. She's also started teaching others
her craft, through her part-time job (working - where else - in a fabric
store).
> That's happened once or twice before
> now...
I think anyone who's sewed for any length of time has managed that. I
even managed it back in middle school (when it was a required course at
the school I went to).
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> I think anyone who's sewed for any length of time has managed that. I
> even managed it back in middle school (when it was a required course at
> the school I went to).
Your school required you to sew through your hand? Was this one of those
private schools? I can see why people would want to ban them.
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Forget "focus follows mouse." When do
I get "focus follows gaze"?
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>> she still owns a
>> sewing machine that's fully capable of sewing through leather - or
>> human, flesh, for that matter.
>
> My mom's got at least 3 that she uses for different purposes. She does a
> fair amount of quilt making, but also does an awful lot of custom work -
> from upholstery to wedding dresses. She's also started teaching others
> her craft, through her part-time job (working - where else - in a fabric
> store).
>
>> That's happened once or twice before
>> now...
>
> I think anyone who's sewed for any length of time has managed that. I
> even managed it back in middle school (when it was a required course at
> the school I went to).
Well, my mum has a normal domestic sewing machine. (I say "normal" - it
was a wedding present, so it's now about 35 years old...) Anything
thicker that cordroy and it just can't handle it. The mechanics just
aren't man enough for the job.
My grandmother's machine is an industrial sewing machine. It's even
older, as evidenced by the leather drive belt, but it will sew through
leather. It's specifically designed to cope with leather. (What? How did
you *think* they make car interiors?)
She and my grandad ran their own business doing custom interior work -
mostly curtains, but also bed-heads, cushions, etc. Even worked in
several other countries. Back then, they were loaded. Went on several
world cruises, could afford the best and most expensive clothes, cars,
and so forth.
Of course, that was before some dodgy pension scheme ate their money.
Now they're poor broke pensioners...
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On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:17:17 -0800, Darren New wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> I think anyone who's sewed for any length of time has managed that. I
>> even managed it back in middle school (when it was a required course at
>> the school I went to).
>
> Your school required you to sew through your hand? Was this one of those
> private schools? I can see why people would want to ban them.
LOL!
Jim
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On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:25:00 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> she still owns a
>>> sewing machine that's fully capable of sewing through leather - or
>>> human, flesh, for that matter.
>>
>> My mom's got at least 3 that she uses for different purposes. She does
>> a fair amount of quilt making, but also does an awful lot of custom
>> work - from upholstery to wedding dresses. She's also started teaching
>> others her craft, through her part-time job (working - where else - in
>> a fabric store).
>>
>>> That's happened once or twice before
>>> now...
>>
>> I think anyone who's sewed for any length of time has managed that. I
>> even managed it back in middle school (when it was a required course at
>> the school I went to).
>
> Well, my mum has a normal domestic sewing machine. (I say "normal" - it
> was a wedding present, so it's now about 35 years old...) Anything
> thicker that cordroy and it just can't handle it. The mechanics just
> aren't man enough for the job.
Yeah, some of the lower end models don't do a very good job with thicker
fabrics.
> My grandmother's machine is an industrial sewing machine. It's even
> older, as evidenced by the leather drive belt, but it will sew through
> leather. It's specifically designed to cope with leather. (What? How did
> you *think* they make car interiors?)
Vinyl, or cloth. ;-) Actually, though, most modern cars don't have the
interiors made by hand - it's mostly automated now, AFAIK.
> She and my grandad ran their own business doing custom interior work -
> mostly curtains, but also bed-heads, cushions, etc. Even worked in
> several other countries. Back then, they were loaded. Went on several
> world cruises, could afford the best and most expensive clothes, cars,
> and so forth.
My dad also did a lot of woodworking, and the two of them did a lot of
the interior work in the house I grew up in as a result - dad redid the
woodwork, and mom redid the clothwork. They were quite the team (dad
passed away a few years ago).
> Of course, that was before some dodgy pension scheme ate their money.
> Now they're poor broke pensioners...
That stinks; my dad had something similar happen, but they were able to
recover some of it (it was an investment scheme and the person managing
the investments turned out to be clueless IIRC).
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:04:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>>> Well, as far as anyone knows, after all, <hand wave> 'these aren't the
>>> droids you're looking for' covers a multitude of sins. ;-)
>>>
>> See you Jimmie! Can yer mither sew? :)
>
> LOL! As a matter of fact, she does - professionally. She's got her own
> business doing all sorts of sewing. ;-)
>
Coincidentally, my mother was a dressmaker to trade.
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On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:09:13 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:04:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>>> Well, as far as anyone knows, after all, <hand wave> 'these aren't
>>>> the droids you're looking for' covers a multitude of sins. ;-)
>>>>
>>> See you Jimmie! Can yer mither sew? :)
>>
>> LOL! As a matter of fact, she does - professionally. She's got her
>> own business doing all sorts of sewing. ;-)
>>
>>
> Coincidentally, my mother was a dressmaker to trade.
Strange coincidence. :-)
(Seems to have been very quiet up here today?)
Jim
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On 6-1-2010 14:09, Stephen wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:04:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>>> Well, as far as anyone knows, after all, <hand wave> 'these aren't the
>>>> droids you're looking for' covers a multitude of sins. ;-)
>>>>
>>> See you Jimmie! Can yer mither sew? :)
>>
>> LOL! As a matter of fact, she does - professionally. She's got her
>> own business doing all sorts of sewing. ;-)
>>
>
> Coincidentally, my mother was a dressmaker to trade.
>
Mine did teach it (and other forms of handicrafts) at school.
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> (Seems to have been very quiet up here today?)
>
> Jim
Maybe everyone’s playing with their Christmas presents?
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andrel wrote:
> On 6-1-2010 14:09, Stephen wrote:
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:04:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>> Coincidentally, my mother was a dressmaker to trade.
>>
> Mine did teach it (and other forms of handicrafts) at school.
Maybe it is from our mothers that we got out inclination for PovRay. ;)
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On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:17:27 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> (Seems to have been very quiet up here today?)
>>
>> Jim
>
> Maybe everyone’s playing with their Christmas presents?
They must be GOOD Christmas presents. ;-)
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:17:27 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>
>>> (Seems to have been very quiet up here today?)
>>>
>>> Jim
>> Maybe everyone’s playing with their Christmas presents?
>
> They must be GOOD Christmas presents. ;-)
>
> Jim
PovRay Pro ;)
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On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:21:00 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> PovRay Pro ;)
Oooooh! Shiny! :-)
Jim
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On 7-1-2010 12:19, Stephen wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> On 6-1-2010 14:09, Stephen wrote:
>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:04:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>>
>
>>> Coincidentally, my mother was a dressmaker to trade.
>>>
>> Mine did teach it (and other forms of handicrafts) at school.
>
> Maybe it is from our mothers that we got out inclination for PovRay. ;)
>
That is what I was thinking.
But we do need a control group.
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:21:00 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>> PovRay Pro ;)
>
> Oooooh! Shiny! :-)
>
:)
or at twice the price + +
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andrel wrote:
> On 7-1-2010 12:19, Stephen wrote:
>> andrel wrote:
>>> On 6-1-2010 14:09, Stephen wrote:
>>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:04:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>>>
>>
>>>> Coincidentally, my mother was a dressmaker to trade.
>>>>
>>> Mine did teach it (and other forms of handicrafts) at school.
>>
>> Maybe it is from our mothers that we got out inclination for PovRay. ;)
>>
> That is what I was thinking.
> But we do need a control group.
>
Blender users?
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On 7-1-2010 21:49, Stephen wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> On 7-1-2010 12:19, Stephen wrote:
>>> andrel wrote:
>>>> On 6-1-2010 14:09, Stephen wrote:
>>>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:04:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Coincidentally, my mother was a dressmaker to trade.
>>>>>
>>>> Mine did teach it (and other forms of handicrafts) at school.
>>>
>>> Maybe it is from our mothers that we got out inclination for PovRay. ;)
>>>
>> That is what I was thinking.
>> But we do need a control group.
>>
>
> Blender users?
>
I think we need a control group that is disjunct (I am also a blender user).
Photoshop? Probably not.
Or English teachers? Do we have people here that teach English?
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On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:48:08 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:21:00 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> PovRay Pro ;)
>>
>> Oooooh! Shiny! :-)
>>
>>
> :)
> or at twice the price + +
oooh, you're rotten, you are! ;-)
Jim
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andrel wrote:
> On 7-1-2010 21:49, Stephen wrote:
>> Blender users?
>>
> I think we need a control group that is disjunct (I am also a blender
> user).
First thing that came into my mind
> Photoshop? Probably not.
>
> Or English teachers? Do we have people here that teach English?
>
We have people here that can hardly spoke it ;)
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> Me having that opinion would be really obnoxious if I were a rich snob,
> but I'm certainly not. I barely make a living.
>
> But I honestly don't feel any kind of jealousy towards rich people. If
> they
> want to put their kids to expensive private schools, then why not? Does it
> hurt me in any way if they do that? No. Then why should it bother me? It
> doesn't make sense.
>
> What *would* be unfair is to pass some ridiculous law which would forbid
> them from doing that and instead force those kids to get a lesser
> education,
> just because the majority is jealous of them being rich. *That* would be
> obnoxious, IMO.
I wish more people though like you Warp, IME most people who don't want or
can't get something like to force others to also not have it for no
particular reason.
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> Then you don't know what it is to live in a country where almost the
> entire elite is recruited from a few schools that are only open to the
> elite.
That's not really true, I was at one of the top UK Universities and I think
it was about 50/50 students from the free regular schools (including me!)
and from private schools. At UK Universities the amount you have to pay
depends on how much your parents earn (plus a few other factors), so it's
perfectly feasible for students from very low income families to attend the
top Universities.
Of course there are far less people at the private schools compared to
regular schools, so the fact that there are so many from private schools at
the top universities means that the schooling is better and/or richer
parents generally have brighter children.
Personally I don't see any need for the jealousy, even if private schools
are banned then the parents will just pay for private tutors or give
additional teaching themselves, you can't ban that. In the end a bright
child with supportive parents will make it just fine through the regular
school system and into a top University.
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scott wrote:
At UK Universities the amount
> you have to pay depends on how much your parents earn (plus a few other
> factors), so it's perfectly feasible for students from very low income
> families to attend the top Universities.
>
Did I just hear a cat laugh?
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scott wrote:
> Personally I don't see any need for the jealousy, even if private
> schools are banned then the parents will just pay for private tutors or
> give additional teaching themselves, you can't ban that. In the end a
> bright child with supportive parents will make it just fine through the
> regular school system and into a top University.
I agree. Banning private schools is almost impossible (define "private"
and "school"), and there are plenty of other ways that rich people can
and do give their children a huge advantage.
One thing that I've noticed is that some parents spend lots of time with
their children, talk to them, ask them things, tell them stories, and so
on and so forth. And other parents live with their children but almost
never seem to interact with them in any way, except for yelling at them
to stop smashing things up. One wonders why these parents had children
in the first place, actually... Now obviously, I don't have a shred of
evidence here, but I wonder which group of children does better at
school? I'm guessing it makes a pretty freakin' big difference...
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On 11-1-2010 12:33, scott wrote:
>> Me having that opinion would be really obnoxious if I were a rich snob,
>> but I'm certainly not. I barely make a living.
>>
>> But I honestly don't feel any kind of jealousy towards rich people.
>> If they
>> want to put their kids to expensive private schools, then why not?
>> Does it
>> hurt me in any way if they do that? No. Then why should it bother me? It
>> doesn't make sense.
>>
>> What *would* be unfair is to pass some ridiculous law which would forbid
>> them from doing that and instead force those kids to get a lesser
>> education,
>> just because the majority is jealous of them being rich. *That* would be
>> obnoxious, IMO.
>
> I wish more people though like you Warp, IME most people who don't want
> or can't get something like to force others to also not have it for no
> particular reason.
>
>
Interesting. not at all my experience.
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>>> What *would* be unfair is to pass some ridiculous law which would
>>> forbid
>>> them from doing that and instead force those kids to get a lesser
>>> education,
>>> just because the majority is jealous of them being rich. *That* would be
>>> obnoxious, IMO.
>>
>> I wish more people though like you Warp, IME most people who don't want
>> or can't get something like to force others to also not have it for no
>> particular reason.
>>
>>
> Interesting. not at all my experience.
Maybe I just don't hear very often of the ones like Warp, it's usually the
ones voicing their opinion loudly and trying to force it on others that I
seem to hear.
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scott <sco### [at] scott com> wrote:
> Maybe I just don't hear very often of the ones like Warp, it's usually the
> ones voicing their opinion loudly and trying to force it on others that I
> seem to hear.
I think that the problem is that people whose principles are of the type
"we should all stop whining and try to get along and stop being jealous of
each other" usually practice what the preach, which means that they are not
very vocal. Only people who like to whine about things they think are wrong
are the ones who are most vocal and who you hear from the most.
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On 12/30/09 02:08, Darren New wrote:
> Everyone should be allowed to buy a house. That doesn't mean we take
> houses from people who own two and give them to people who are too poor
> to buy their own, you see.
To an extent, you're correct. However, if you live in a much smaller
country with little room, and 90% of the houses are owned by 10% of the
population, then it's not hard to make the argument.
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I'm addicted to placebos. I'd give them up, but it wouldn't make any
difference. - Steven Wright
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