Stephen wrote:
> when I consider a 250 Gig HD limited space)

When Myst first came out on a CD, I remember thinking "so much for pirated 
games", since there was no possible way to copy an entire 670M CD.

Does anyone remember thinking "32 bits will soon be rather limiting for a 
single file to fit within" before it was obvious?

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> (It's also popular for embedded applications, but 
> that presumably is due to its extreme portability and configurability 
> more than anything else...)

It is only popular for embedded operations as Linux, not Unix. Before Linux, 
nobody used Unix for embedded applications. Now it's popular for embedded 
applications purely because it's free. It's actually quite a PITA to use on 
embedded devices.

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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message news:4b22df73@news.povray.org...
> Zeger Knaepen <zeg### [at] povplacecom> wrote:
>> For 10 years now, I have a tradition to make a yearly version of Jingle
>> Bells.
>
>  That reminds me of a medley song I made a long, long time ago (which I was
> able to salvage from an audio-CD where I had burned it):
>
> http://kapsi.fi/warp/jb2.mp3
>
>  And for something completely different:
>
> http://kapsi.fi/warp/test8.mp3


oh, you topic-hijacker :)
I like them, actually! too bad you lost the midi-file (it was a midi-file, 
right?)

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sphere{G(b,e)+3*z.1pigment{rgb G(k,l)}finish{ambient 1}}#local C=C+1;
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> In my experience, only certain people have this problem.

People who fiddle around with it without knowing what they're doing, yes. I 
think if Linux was as widely deployed as Windows, it would be just as much a 
target for viri and scammers.

I.e., I think Windows is much less vulnerable now especially with UAC turned 
on by default, and what protects Linux is more that it isn't popular enough 
to be valuable to the current virus writers that do it for money.

Of course, Linux probably has fewer holes in the default distros than 
Windows does.  But it's not like there have never been holes in Unix-based 
OSes that, say, brought down the internet.

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> When Myst first came out on a CD, I remember thinking "so much for pirated 
> games", since there was no possible way to copy an entire 670M CD.

  There was one point in history when I had the opinion that if a game takes
more than 4 floppy disks (that would be about 5.5 MB), it's way too large.

  Nowadays I'm wondering why there aren't multi-DVD games yet in the market.

> Does anyone remember thinking "32 bits will soon be rather limiting for a 
> single file to fit within" before it was obvious?

  There was indeed a time when a file of over 4 gigabytes was absolutely
unthinkable. This was the time when a 350-megabyte hard drive was huge,
and average desktop computers had 4 megabytes of RAM (which costed
significantly more than the 2 GB of RAM which is standard nowadays).

  Rather curiously, we are nowadays in the same situation with respect to
64-bit computers. Hard drives are about 500 GB, RAMs are about 2-4 GB on
average, which is about the same ratio as above. And again, a file of
2^64 bytes feels basically unthinkable (although slightly less so due to
the past experience).

  I'm wondering if 15 years from now we will be using files of that size.

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> > (It's also popular for embedded applications, but 
> > that presumably is due to its extreme portability and configurability 
> > more than anything else...)

> It is only popular for embedded operations as Linux, not Unix. Before Linux, 
> nobody used Unix for embedded applications. Now it's popular for embedded 
> applications purely because it's free. It's actually quite a PITA to use on 
> embedded devices.

  Thinking about it, are there *any* other viable free (as in no-cost)
operating systems for embedded systems, other than Linux and NetBSD?

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Zeger Knaepen <zeg### [at] povplacecom> wrote:
> I like them, actually! too bad you lost the midi-file (it was a midi-file, 
> right?)

  Yes. Made those with Cakewalk, using my good old SoundBlaster Awe32
(ah, the memories). Too bad I can't even install that card anymore in
my current PC.

  It's funny. Everything else in my computer hardware has gone clearly
forward *except* sound hardware. I'm unable to produce those kinds of
sounds anymore with my current computer (well, at least on hardware;
I suppose there are probably software solutions which produce even
better sounds, but probably none of them free).

  As for the midi files, they might be somewhere if I searched for them
(I have an old HD somwhere which should contain backups of backups of my
old computer, where I made those midis). OTOH, without my Awe32 and its
soundbanks I wouldn't be able to replicate those pieces in the same way
anyways, so there wouldn't be much point.

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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message news:4b243adc@news.povray.org...
> Zeger Knaepen <zeg### [at] povplacecom> wrote:
>> I like them, actually! too bad you lost the midi-file (it was a midi-file,
>> right?)
>
>  Yes. Made those with Cakewalk, using my good old SoundBlaster Awe32
> (ah, the memories). Too bad I can't even install that card anymore in
> my current PC.
>
>  It's funny. Everything else in my computer hardware has gone clearly
> forward *except* sound hardware.

I agree 100%! 4 years ago I could by an extremely good soundcard for 110Euro, 
and even better, it had a built-in motherboard!! ok ok, I'm talking about those 
Abit NF7S (or something like that) motherboards with SoundStorm onboard sound. 
Latencies of less than 10ms, without using ASIO.  Even my 300Euro Creative X-Fi 
Platinum (or whatever) doesn't come close to that
too bad they don't make those soundchips anymore

> I'm unable to produce those kinds of
> sounds anymore with my current computer (well, at least on hardware;
> I suppose there are probably software solutions which produce even
> better sounds, but probably none of them free).

Don't be too sure of that, there are a couple free and good-sounding 
midi-players out there... can't remember the name for sure, but "midig" pops 
into my head...

I think it's this: 
http://freemusicsoftware.net/en/plugins/instruments/midig_2_03_software_wavetable_synthesizer-195.html

>  As for the midi files, they might be somewhere if I searched for them
> (I have an old HD somwhere which should contain backups of backups of my
> old computer, where I made those midis). OTOH, without my Awe32 and its
> soundbanks I wouldn't be able to replicate those pieces in the same way
> anyways, so there wouldn't be much point.

If you want to reproduce them in the same way, just play the mp3 :) I would much 
rather run it through something like Reason :)

cu!
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#macro G(b,e)b+(e-b)*C/50#end#macro _(b,e,k,l)#local C=0;#while(C<50)
sphere{G(b,e)+3*z.1pigment{rgb G(k,l)}finish{ambient 1}}#local C=C+1;
#end#end _(y-x,y,x,x+y)_(y,-x-y,x+y,y)_(-x-y,-y,y,y+z)_(-y,y,y+z,x+y)
_(0x+y.5+y/2x)_(0x-y.5+y/2x)            // ZK http://www.povplace.com

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Darren New wrote:
> Thus, _this_ word will probably show as _italic_ on your screen, if you're
> using something that does things like make *this* word bold.

_This_ shows underlined in KNode.

I believe /this/ is italics...

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Darren New wrote:
> It's also the case that even a small company can make a difference in
> Microsoft's stuff. Like the company that did the first defrag program for
> NT designed the APIs for that and told MS how to write it.

Then they bought the company?

Or did they just make their own defragmenter and put it in the OS to ensure 
other companies selling defragmenters go out of business? :P

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