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This is the sort of thing I was talking about comparing running in soccer
with running in american football.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d814e003b/WK-14-Josh-Cribbs-highlight
And Cribbs isn't even particularly good. Altho I will say it seems the best
runners all have dreadlocks. If you don't have someone on your team with
dreadlocks, you just don't win many games.
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Darren New wrote:
> This is the sort of thing I was talking about comparing running in
> soccer with running in american football.
>
>
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d814e003b/WK-14-Josh-Cribbs-highlight
You mean running in football vs running in handegg?
http://digg.com/football/Learn_the_Difference_Football_versus_Handegg
The difference is obvious: you hold the egg while running vs kicking
the ball while running. The latter should prove much more difficult,
which is why players keep passing the ball on to other players and
kicking it great distance across the field to other players far beyond.
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nemesis wrote:
> You mean running in football vs running in handegg?
Yes, except I was trying to be communicative instead of sarcastic.
In any case, soccer is merely a particular version of football, so calling
it "soccer" is actually *more* accurate than calling it "football".
> The difference is obvious: you hold the egg while running vs kicking
> the ball while running.
Not always. There's punts and kick-offs, and I don't think in soccer you
have a bunch of people piling on top of you while you're running, or trying
to snag the ball out of your hands. Last I looked, straight-arming someone
in the face while they're running is frowned upon in soccer, let alone
actually jumping on top of them.
In soccer, people roll around on the ground pretending to be hurt so they
can stop the clock long enough to catch their breath. If you stop the clock
because you're hurt in gridiron, you get taken off the field and you don't
come back, at least until you've lost the ball and gotten it back again.
> The latter should prove much more difficult,
> which is why players keep passing the ball on to other players and
> kicking it great distance across the field to other players far beyond.
Yes. We call that hand-offs and passes.
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Darren New wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> You mean running in football vs running in handegg?
>
> In any case, soccer is merely a particular version of football, so
> calling it "soccer" is actually *more* accurate than calling it "football".
I disagree. I don't see much foot in american football. Nor that thing
looks much like a ball.
> In soccer, people roll around on the ground pretending to be hurt so
> they can stop the clock long enough to catch their breath. If you stop
> the clock because you're hurt in gridiron, you get taken off the field
> and you don't come back, at least until you've lost the ball and gotten
> it back again.
things like these are common:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jgyugzLdbng/R8N4_-MFQdI/AAAAAAAABKE/ZF3uQX_qzis/s400/soccer+injury.jpg
http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/the-most-horrific-soccer-injury-oupa-ngulube-breaks-leg-in-half.jpg
when players target the opponent rather than the ball.
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Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote:
> In soccer, people roll around on the ground pretending to be hurt so they
> can stop the clock long enough to catch their breath.
That's one of the reasons why I like (American) football and ice hockey
more than soccer. The former two are very rough physical sports where tackling
is actually part of the sport and the rules, yet players seldom pretend being
hurt if they really aren't (in ice hockey they sometimes try to pretend they
were tripped over by an opponent against the rules, but even then they don't
pretend being hurt).
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nemesis wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> nemesis wrote:
>>> You mean running in football vs running in handegg?
>>
>> In any case, soccer is merely a particular version of football, so
>> calling it "soccer" is actually *more* accurate than calling it
>> "football".
>
> I disagree. I don't see much foot in american football. Nor that thing
> looks much like a ball.
I wasn't talking about american football. I'm talking about people who say
"it isn't soccer, it's football!" That's like saying "It isn't nine-ball,
it's billiards!"
> things like these are common:
> when players target the opponent rather than the ball.
Yeah, but it's frowned upon. ;-)
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Warp wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> In soccer, people roll around on the ground pretending to be hurt so they
>> can stop the clock long enough to catch their breath.
>
> That's one of the reasons why I like (American) football and ice hockey
> more than soccer. The former two are very rough physical sports where tackling
> is actually part of the sport and the rules, yet players seldom pretend being
> hurt if they really aren't (in ice hockey they sometimes try to pretend they
> were tripped over by an opponent against the rules, but even then they don't
> pretend being hurt).
Yup. At least in football, you (the player, not the team) lose the play if
you hold up the game for an injury. You're not allowed to say "I'm hurt,
hold on, ok, I'm ready." You have to leave the field until the rules say
it's OK for you to come back on, which is after the other team has had the
ball and now you get it back again.
Yeah. I've been looking at a lot of different sports lately. I like football
best because it's very physical, yet there's also a lot of planning. In
soccer and basketball, there's a lot of action, but I don't think people
stop and say "Ok, in this next one, you pretend to pass to joe, but actually
kick it backwards to Sam, who can run around to the left and then fire it
over to Bill." That sort of thing happens all the time in american
football. There doesn't seem to be any "clever" in baseball, soccer, or
basketball. Lots of quick decisions and activity, but no "clever." At least
not that I see.
And baseball? The game where the only two people who plays every play?
Their goal is to keep anything exciting from happening? That's OK. :-)
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Darren New wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> Darren New wrote:
>>> nemesis wrote:
>>>> You mean running in football vs running in handegg?
>>>
>>> In any case, soccer is merely a particular version of football, so
>>> calling it "soccer" is actually *more* accurate than calling it
>>> "football".
>>
>> I disagree. I don't see much foot in american football. Nor that
>> thing looks much like a ball.
>
> I wasn't talking about american football. I'm talking about people who
> say "it isn't soccer, it's football!" That's like saying "It isn't
> nine-ball, it's billiards!"
Is soccer even a word? Football describes "soccer" better to me, but
not american football. But it's ok to keep up with the dogmas of one's
favorite religion.
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nemesis <nam### [at] nospam-gmailcom> wrote:
> Is soccer even a word? Football describes "soccer" better to me, but
> not american football. But it's ok to keep up with the dogmas of one's
> favorite religion.
As far as I can see, the official name is "association football" (I have
no idea why it's named like that).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_football
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nemesis wrote:
> Is soccer even a word?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer
> Football describes "soccer" better to me,
It's definitely the most foot-oriented ball game, for sure.
> not american football.
We call it football here. Europeans call it "American football". It's based
on a game called "Grid iron", so you hear that too. Chinese call it "olive
ball."
> But it's ok to keep up with the dogmas of one's
> favorite religion.
If you'd rather I just call it "football" like the other 300 million people
around me, without distinguishing it from what *you* call football, I'm
happy to oblige. It's just going to be confusing as hell.
Thank you for your troll. It has been noted.
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Warp wrote:
> As far as I can see, the official name is "association football" (I have
> no idea why it's named like that).
Because it's the set of rules for football standardized by the Football
Association. Read the "history" on that page. :-) The "association" is the
group of schools that decided you're not allowed to run with the ball in
your hand. The "non-association" teams were the ones that disliked that
rule, who later went on to play rugby.
As an aside, I was amused by the names of the players in Rugby. The
offensive players have the titles
"hooker" (who hooks the ball with his foot), two "props" who prop up the
hooker, two "locks" who lock the hooker in place, two "flankers" who flank
the hooker, and "number 8."
I come to the conclusion that it's "number 8" because his job is to push on
the hooker's thighs with his shoulders, and he didn't want the title "guy
with his head between the hooker's thighs."
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Darren New wrote:
>
> We call it football here. Europeans call it "American football". It's
> based on a game called "Grid iron", so you hear that too. Chinese call
> it "olive ball."
>
I thought that it was based on rugby league.
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Stephen wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>>
>> We call it football here. Europeans call it "American football". It's
>> based on a game called "Grid iron", so you hear that too. Chinese call
>> it "olive ball."
>>
>
> I thought that it was based on rugby league.
That too. "Gridiron" refers in part to the field marked off with lots of
lines. So you can call it "gridiron football" to distinguish it from "soccer
football" or "rugby football". "American football" is what americans play.
"Gridiron" is what americans, canadians, australians, etc play. They're all
terms for rules that are approximately similar, just like you have rugby
rules for different numbers of players and such.
Certainly a lot of the rules and concepts and especially terminology comes
from rugby. For example, it's still called a touch down in american
football even tho you don't actually have to touch it down. Altho it's
common to spike the ball when you've made a touchdown in american football.
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Darren New wrote:
> That too. "Gridiron" refers in part to the field marked off with lots of
> lines. So you can call it "gridiron football" to distinguish it from
> "soccer football" or "rugby football". "American football" is what
> americans play. "Gridiron" is what americans, canadians, australians,
> etc play. They're all terms for rules that are approximately similar,
> just like you have rugby rules for different numbers of players and such.
>
> Certainly a lot of the rules and concepts and especially terminology
> comes from rugby. For example, it's still called a touch down in
> american football even tho you don't actually have to touch it down.
> Altho it's common to spike the ball when you've made a touchdown in
> american football.
>
:)
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> If you'd rather I just call it "football" like the other 300 million people
> around me, without distinguishing it from what *you* call football, I'm
> happy to oblige. It's just going to be confusing as hell.
I prefer to side with the rest of the 5 billion or so world inhabitants in
calling football a game played with the foot and a ball.
> Thank you for your troll. It has been noted.
Thanks, sometimes I feel like it's my messianic job to point out inconsistent,
religious-like reasoning. and yeah, I know how inconsistent that sounds...
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nemesis wrote:
> I prefer to side with the rest of the 5 billion or so world inhabitants in
> calling football a game played with the foot and a ball.
Since I didn't call either one "football", I'm not sure there was a problem. :-)
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Darren New wrote:
> Since I didn't call either one "football", I'm not sure there was a
> problem. :-)
Oh, and for those amused by such things, in chinese...
soccer = foot ball
american football = olive ball
badminton = feather ball
tennis = net ball
racquetball = paddle ball
and, of course, ping pong = ping pong ;-)
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> and, of course, ping pong = ping pong ;-)
I also tend to think they pronounce it exactly like that, something almost as
universal as "mama". Sadly, it's now called "table tennis" nowadays or so I
heard.
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On 12/12/09 11:31, Darren New wrote:
> In any case, soccer is merely a particular version of football, so
> calling it "soccer" is actually *more* accurate than calling it "football".
Them fightin' words!
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nemesis wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> and, of course, ping pong = ping pong ;-)
>
> I also tend to think they pronounce it exactly like that, something almost as
> universal as "mama". Sadly, it's now called "table tennis" nowadays or so I
> heard.
>
>
The great American humorist James Thurber christened ping pong “gnip
gnop” which is onomatopoeic.
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nemesis wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> and, of course, ping pong = ping pong ;-)
>
> I also tend to think they pronounce it exactly like that,
"Ping pong" is the chinese name for table tennis. We use the chinese name
for the sport outside of china.
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
> > Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> >> and, of course, ping pong = ping pong ;-)
> >
> > I also tend to think they pronounce it exactly like that,
>
> "Ping pong" is the chinese name for table tennis. We use the chinese name
> for the sport outside of china.
I thought it was merely onomatopoeic.
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nemesis wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> nemesis wrote:
>>> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>>>> and, of course, ping pong = ping pong ;-)
>>> I also tend to think they pronounce it exactly like that,
>> "Ping pong" is the chinese name for table tennis. We use the chinese name
>> for the sport outside of china.
>
> I thought it was merely onomatopoeic.
The chinese seem to be big on names for things that are also onomatopoetic.
Also, when outside names are introduced (like "Coca cola") they tend to get
translated into written characters that have the same sound but an
appropriate meaning (like "tastes good" or some such).
It's really pretty cool.
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> Yup. At least in football, you (the player, not the team) lose the play if
> you hold up the game for an injury. You're not allowed to say "I'm hurt,
> hold on, ok, I'm ready."
In soccer I think this is totally ridiculous - sometimes you see really
stupid things like someone actually getting kicked/elbowed/whatever (where a
normal person might clutch their leg/arm/chest and say "wtf"), then there's
a two second pause until they realise they better look a bit more injured,
fall to ground and start rolling around like they've just been stabbed.
After the massive fuss is over they limp for a few steps then just carry on
running normally.
> Yeah. I've been looking at a lot of different sports lately. I like
> football best because it's very physical, yet there's also a lot of
> planning. In soccer and basketball, there's a lot of action, but I don't
> think people stop and say "Ok, in this next one, you pretend to pass to
> joe, but actually kick it backwards to Sam, who can run around to the left
> and then fire it over to Bill." That sort of thing happens all the time
> in american football. There doesn't seem to be any "clever" in baseball,
> soccer, or basketball. Lots of quick decisions and activity, but no
> "clever." At least not that I see.
In soccer that kind of clever team planning only really happen when there is
time to stop and group together to discuss, usually before a free kick near
the opponent's goal.
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scott wrote:
>> Yup. At least in football, you (the player, not the team) lose the
>> play if you hold up the game for an injury. You're not allowed to say
>> "I'm hurt, hold on, ok, I'm ready."
>
> In soccer I think this is totally ridiculous
I've even seen clips where it's obvious the person wasn't touched at all,
from certain camera angles, and they still fall down and roll around.
I figure it's part of the game, like running down the clock in american
football.
> In soccer that kind of clever team planning only really happen when
> there is time to stop and group together to discuss, usually before a
> free kick near the opponent's goal.
Exactly. American football can drag out with the planning, but i think the
individual plays are more exciting, and pretty much everyone on both teams
does something vital on every play.
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