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Warp <war### [at] tag povrayorg> wrote:
> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> >
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Five_Facts_About_Wikipedia/en?utm_source=2009_Notice38&utm_medium=sitenotice&ut
m_campaign=fundraiser2009&referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFile%3ASinh_cosh_tanh.svg&target=Five_Facts_A
bout_Wikipedia
>
> "Even though Wikipedia is one of the top 5 most visited websites in the
> world, we employ fewer than 35 people."
>
> What do they need 10 million dollars for?
>
> How much does a bunch of servers, the necessary bandwidth and the salary
> of 35 people need? 10 million dollars?
>
> The tasvideos.org site had recently to be moved from the original owner's
> personal computer to a rented server (because the original owner didn't want
> to run it on his own computer anymore). The server is rented completely by
> donations. A few hundred bucks were donated, and that will help keep the
> website running for a couple of *years*.
>
> Of course the size are not comparable, but still 10 million dollars
> seems like quite a lot.
You're forgetting the Jimmy Wales ego stroking. :)
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Warp wrote:
> "Even though Wikipedia is one of the top 5 most visited websites in the
> world, we employ fewer than 35 people."
>
> How much does a bunch of servers, the necessary bandwidth and the salary
> of 35 people need? 10 million dollars?
>
> The tasvideos.org site had recently to be moved from the original owner's
> personal computer to a rented server (because the original owner didn't want
> to run it on his own computer anymore). The server is rented completely by
> donations. A few hundred bucks were donated, and that will help keep the
> website running for a couple of *years*.
What is the necessary bandwidth for a top-5 website? Heavy-traffic free
sites are always complaining about needing x money to pay for the
bandwidth they're using. It is, apparently, not all that cheap. So a
few hundred dollars doesn't even cover one month's traffic.
--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.freesitespace.net
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Tim Cook <z99### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> What is the necessary bandwidth for a top-5 website? Heavy-traffic free
> sites are always complaining about needing x money to pay for the
> bandwidth they're using. It is, apparently, not all that cheap. So a
> few hundred dollars doesn't even cover one month's traffic.
Apparently they are using optical fiber made of diamond and coated with
gold and platinum for their bandiwdth costs to reach the millions.
--
- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> "Even though Wikipedia is one of the top 5 most visited websites in the
> world, we employ fewer than 35 people."
>
> What do they need 10 million dollars for?
>
> How much does a bunch of servers, the necessary bandwidth and the salary
> of 35 people need? 10 million dollars?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/a/a3/2009-10_Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan_FINAL_July2.pdf
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I appreciate wikipedia, and wiktionary and all the wikis, they need
donations, I'd donate if I had a little more income, believe me I would
but anyways, I agree with Warp, the expenditure is crazy expensive on
non-wiki related stuff, considering is the top five and even with USD 5
it will get lots of money and I really don't think the the site costs
that much to maintain or they'll hire highly specialized technicians and
more stuff, I think and feel they just want to have a nice life style,
spending USD 22.5K per day. If they earned USD 20/hour 8 hours a day by
35 people is about USD 5K.
As I wrote, I really like wikipedia and all that it offers but I'm
sorry, I think they should be more honest and change the web extension
to '.com'. So sorry but I think this is BS.
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Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/a/a3/2009-10_Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan_FINAL_July2.pdf
3 million dollars in salaries? For 35 people that's over 7100 dollars a
month. That's quite a salary for a free project funded by donations, I must
say.
And the million dollars for the internet hosting probably goes to those
optic fibers made of diamond and coated in gold.
Why do they need to spend 335000 dollars in travel, from donated money?
Are they using golden limousines or something? Have they ever heard of
buses and trains? Or are they too snob to lower themselves to use the same
cheap means of travel as common people?
288000 dollars in fundraising. I suppose it's profitable, given how much
their total budget is.
The legal spending I don't have a problem with, though, knowing it's
the US.
--
- Warp
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Donation means 5-50 USD IMO, even many commercial software costs less
than USD 50, plus non-profit/.org get discounts and special treatment
don't they? How much do they get on Google ads alone being hte top 5 of
The Net, come on...
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Saul Luizaga wrote:
> How much do they get on Google ads alone being hte top 5 of
> The Net, come on...
What are you talking about? Wikipedia doesn't have ads and refuses to have
them.
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Warp wrote:
> 3 million dollars in salaries? For 35 people that's over 7100 dollars a
> month. That's quite a salary for a free project funded by donations, I must
> say.
Well, one page says that an additional 10 people are getting hired, which
would put the salaries back in range with what they were last year. That's
about 66K/year, which is pretty shabby for technical work in San Francisco.
Page 19 shows 38.5 people, which comes out to an average of $78K/year, which
still isn't what I'd call a lot of money in San Francisco for tech,
fundraising, or finance&admin work. This is where a secretary averages $44K,
understand. A *legal* secretary (i.e., a secretary for a lawyer who
therefore has to know what some of the legal terms mean and etc) makes $70K.
It might be a bit high, but it's not what I'd call outrageous.
> And the million dollars for the internet hosting probably goes to those
> optic fibers made of diamond and coated in gold.
Also of interest:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Statistics
From what I can figure, it's bursting in the single-digit-gigabits per
second range of bandwidth.
This guy seems to think it's roughly $2K-$10K/month for bandwidth. Quadruple
the high end of that for maintenance, rental, electricity, and servers?
Still half a million.
> Why do they need to spend 335000 dollars in travel, from donated money?
> Are they using golden limousines or something? Have they ever heard of
> buses and trains?
That doesn't really work in the USA. Unless you want to travel for 14 hours
to have a 2-hour meeting in the next city over. Stuff is surprisingly far
apart in the US compared to what many Europeans are used to.
> 288000 dollars in fundraising. I suppose it's profitable, given how much
> their total budget is.
>
> The legal spending I don't have a problem with, though, knowing it's
> the US.
That probably includes all the accounting and taxes and such as well, paying
auditors, etc. Basically "legal" covers "everything required by law to run
the corporation."
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
You know the kamikaze monsters in Serious Sam
with the bombs for hands, that go AAAAAHHHHHHHH!
I want that for a ring tone.
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Saul Luizaga wrote:
> If they earned USD 20/hour 8 hours a day
Just so ya know... The people running the cash registers at the grocery
store in my city? $17/hour. $50/hour for experienced technical people is
well underpaid.
Maybe with the crappy economy we're having that'll change, but heck I made
more than $20/hour when I got out of college several decades ago.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
You know the kamikaze monsters in Serious Sam
with the bombs for hands, that go AAAAAHHHHHHHH!
I want that for a ring tone.
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