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From: Invisible
Subject: Meetings
Date: 19 Nov 2009 09:41:23
Message: <4b055913@news.povray.org>
God save us all from pointless meetings! >_<

I just wasted two hours of my life listening to some old women ramble on 
aimlessly about good communication. (Irony?)


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From: Captain Jack
Subject: Re: Meetings
Date: 19 Nov 2009 10:43:02
Message: <4b056786$1@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:4b055913@news.povray.org...
> God save us all from pointless meetings! >_<
>
> I just wasted two hours of my life listening to some old women ramble on 
> aimlessly about good communication. (Irony?)

My ex-wife always used to say I never listened to her-- or something like 
that, I think, maybe.


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From: Stefan Viljoen
Subject: Re: Meetings
Date: 19 Nov 2009 12:09:21
Message: <4b057bc1@news.povray.org>
Captain Jack wrote:

> "Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
> news:4b055913@news.povray.org...
>> God save us all from pointless meetings! >_<
>>
>> I just wasted two hours of my life listening to some old women ramble on
>> aimlessly about good communication. (Irony?)
> 
> My ex-wife always used to say I never listened to her-- or something like
> that, I think, maybe.

HAHAHA! Brilliant!
-- 
Stefan Viljoen


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Meetings
Date: 20 Nov 2009 08:43:53
Message: <4b069d19$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:

> I just wasted two hours of my life listening to some old women ramble on 
> aimlessly about good communication. (Irony?)

Oh goodie, another pointless meeting about to start. >_<


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Meetings
Date: 20 Nov 2009 09:09:35
Message: <4b06a31f@news.povray.org>
> Oh goodie, another pointless meeting about to start. >_<

Why are you going then?  I just don't go to meetings like that, and ask 
someone who is more involved in it to tell me any important points that I 
should be interested in.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Meetings
Date: 20 Nov 2009 10:10:46
Message: <4b06b176@news.povray.org>
>> Oh goodie, another pointless meeting about to start. >_<
> 
> Why are you going then?  I just don't go to meetings like that, and ask 
> someone who is more involved in it to tell me any important points that 
> I should be interested in.

Because I would probably be subject to a disciplinary hearing if I 
didn't turn up. (Unless I had a damned good reason...)


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Meetings
Date: 20 Nov 2009 10:38:38
Message: <4b06b7fe@news.povray.org>
>> Why are you going then?  I just don't go to meetings like that, and ask 
>> someone who is more involved in it to tell me any important points that I 
>> should be interested in.
>
> Because I would probably be subject to a disciplinary hearing if I didn't 
> turn up. (Unless I had a damned good reason...)

Well sorry, but to me not going to a meeting because there is no point in me 
going *is* a damn good reason.  Why would the company want me to waste my 
time going somewhere that wasn't going to benefit me or the company when I 
could be doing other stuff?


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Meetings
Date: 20 Nov 2009 11:02:01
Message: <4b06bd79$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
>>> Why are you going then?  I just don't go to meetings like that, and 
>>> ask someone who is more involved in it to tell me any important 
>>> points that I should be interested in.
>>
>> Because I would probably be subject to a disciplinary hearing if I 
>> didn't turn up. (Unless I had a damned good reason...)
> 
> Well sorry, but to me not going to a meeting because there is no point 
> in me going *is* a damn good reason.  Why would the company want me to 
> waste my time going somewhere that wasn't going to benefit me or the 
> company when I could be doing other stuff?

Because this company truely *believes* that this meeting was actually 
really, really important. The Director of HR herself has flown over to 
the UK especially to talk to us about this critical new employee 
performance enhancement system.

...except that what was described could be readily figured out by 
anybody with an IQ in excess of 80 just by reading the assessment form. 
And the form itself is only 3 pages long, so God knows why it took an 
hour to explain it...


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From: Captain Jack
Subject: Re: Meetings
Date: 20 Nov 2009 11:09:24
Message: <4b06bf34$1@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:4b06bd79$1@news.povray.org...
> Because this company truely *believes* that this meeting was actually 
> really, really important. The Director of HR herself has flown over to the 
> UK especially to talk to us about this critical new employee performance 
> enhancement system.
>
> ...except that what was described could be readily figured out by anybody 
> with an IQ in excess of 80 just by reading the assessment form. And the 
> form itself is only 3 pages long, so God knows why it took an hour to 
> explain it...

I think it's obvious why it took an hour... the HR Director needs to keep 
her job, and not let anyone get the idea that it's very possible that a 
semi-trained chimpanzee could do it in her place. After all, the task must 
have been complex and requiring specialized talent if she has to fly over 
personally and spend an hour going over the thing in what I can only imagine 
was *excruciating* detail. :-)

--
Jack


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Meetings
Date: 20 Nov 2009 11:11:29
Message: <4b06bfb1$1@news.povray.org>
Captain Jack wrote:

> I think it's obvious why it took an hour... the HR Director needs to keep 
> her job, and not let anyone get the idea that it's very possible that a 
> semi-trained chimpanzee could do it in her place. After all, the task must 
> have been complex and requiring specialized talent if she has to fly over 
> personally and spend an hour going over the thing in what I can only imagine 
> was *excruciating* detail. :-)

Yes... excruciating... that's a good adjective. >_<


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From: Tim Attwood
Subject: Re: Meetings
Date: 20 Nov 2009 15:58:16
Message: <4b0702e8$1@news.povray.org>
God save us all from pointless messages! >_<

I just wasted two minutes of my life reading some 
nerds rant about his meaningless dead-end job!

;-)


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Meetings
Date: 23 Nov 2009 02:52:44
Message: <4b0a3f4c$1@news.povray.org>
> ...except that what was described could be readily figured out by 
> anybody with an IQ in excess of 80 just by reading the assessment form. 

I would have said that at the end :-)


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Meetings
Date: 23 Nov 2009 04:36:25
Message: <4b0a5799$1@news.povray.org>
>> ...except that what was described could be readily figured out by 
>> anybody with an IQ in excess of 80 just by reading the assessment form. 
> 
> I would have said that at the end :-)

Heee... Sometimes I think it would be really neat to have somebody from 
the interwebs come over here and tell these people who dumb they're 
being. ;-)

But hey, not gonna happen. Heh.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Meetings
Date: 24 Nov 2009 07:40:12
Message: <4b0bd42c@news.povray.org>
> Heee... Sometimes I think it would be really neat to have somebody from 
> the interwebs come over here and tell these people who dumb they're being. 
> ;-)

Just be a bit more outspoken, not rude you understand, but saying more how 
you are feeling about what you are doing.  People will respect you more and 
realise you have a brain for yourself and are not just a dumb sheep doing 
everything they are told.

The HR Director was probably thinking to herself, "what a load of dumb f*34s 
I give them this really obvious presentation and not one of them questions 
the purpose of the meeting - LOLs".

IMO it's perfectly legitimate to query the purpose of the meeting when it's 
not clear how you will benefit.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Meetings
Date: 24 Nov 2009 08:00:25
Message: <4b0bd8e9$1@news.povray.org>
>> Heee... Sometimes I think it would be really neat to have somebody 
>> from the interwebs come over here and tell these people who dumb 
>> they're being. ;-)
> 
> Just be a bit more outspoken, not rude you understand, but saying more 
> how you are feeling about what you are doing.  People will respect you 
> more and realise you have a brain for yourself and are not just a dumb 
> sheep doing everything they are told.
> 
> The HR Director was probably thinking to herself, "what a load of dumb 
> f*34s I give them this really obvious presentation and not one of them 
> questions the purpose of the meeting - LOLs".
> 
> IMO it's perfectly legitimate to query the purpose of the meeting when 
> it's not clear how you will benefit.

Heh. Just this morning I got an email from my boss.

Each month, he sends out a list of stuff he wants each of us to read. 
Except that most of it has absolutely no relevance to the UK, and some 
of it isn't even relevant to IT at all. But this morning I got an email 
basically ordering me to go read all this stuff, even though there's no 
point to it.

It's times like this when I wish I was better at diplomacy...


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Meetings
Date: 24 Nov 2009 08:17:10
Message: <4b0bdcd6$1@news.povray.org>
> Except that most of it has absolutely no relevance to the UK, and some of 
> it isn't even relevant to IT at all.

Hi <insert name of boss>,

Most of the links below are not relevant to the UK, and several have nothing 
to do with IT.   I'm struggling to see how these documents are relevant to 
the work we're doing, could you explain please?  Also I have lots of other 
IT work to be getting on with, so I would appreciate if you could highlight 
the most important documents that I should read first.

Thanks,
Invisible.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Meetings
Date: 24 Nov 2009 11:35:32
Message: <4b0c0b54$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
> Most of the links below are not relevant to the UK, and several have 
> nothing to do with IT.   

"Can you please let me know what I am looking for in these documents so I'm 
sure I don't miss it while I'm reading?"


I've always found the best way to get out of meetings is to ask for an 
agenda up front. Obviously that wouldn't have worked in this case, but in 
about 80% of the cases, it's more a meeting to BS about some decision that 
the guy calling the meeting has the responsibility to make anyway.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   You know the kamikaze monsters in Serious Sam
     with the bombs for hands, that go AAAAAHHHHHHHH!
   I want that for a ring tone.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Meetings
Date: 25 Nov 2009 03:07:09
Message: <4b0ce5ad@news.povray.org>
> about 80% of the cases, it's more a meeting to BS about some decision that 
> the guy calling the meeting has the responsibility to make anyway.

I hate this in my company too, nobody seems to want to make a decision even 
though they are authorised exactly to make such decisions.  We end up in 
situations where half the people are working on a particular project without 
authorisation (because otherwise we'd never get any work done) and the other 
half refuse to because they don't have official authorisation.  Then there's 
a meeting where they are supposed to make a decision, and guess what the 
outcome is ... no decision :-)


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Meetings
Date: 25 Nov 2009 04:30:29
Message: <4b0cf935$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:

> I hate this in my company too, nobody seems to want to make a decision 
> even though they are authorised exactly to make such decisions.  We end 
> up in situations where half the people are working on a particular 
> project without authorisation (because otherwise we'd never get any work 
> done) and the other half refuse to because they don't have official 
> authorisation.  Then there's a meeting where they are supposed to make a 
> decision, and guess what the outcome is ... no decision :-)

The more I hang around the Internet, the more the world seems highly 
broken to me. I had always assumed that it was only my little part of 
the world that was broken, but no - worryingly, brokenness seems to be 
absolutely ubiquitous.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Meetings
Date: 25 Nov 2009 04:41:38
Message: <4b0cfbd2$1@news.povray.org>
> The more I hang around the Internet, the more the world seems highly 
> broken to me. I had always assumed that it was only my little part of the 
> world that was broken, but no - worryingly, brokenness seems to be 
> absolutely ubiquitous.

Yup, but some companies manage to not be broken (I worked for one once), 
they are the ones who make all the money.  They seem to be in the minority 
though.


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