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>> Hey, *my* knowledge isn't even useful to my *current* employer! :-P
>
> But it could be useful to another employer :-P
Hey, if you know of such an employer who's actually hiring, let me know! ;-)
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>> I mean stuff like knowing which departments deal with which problems,
>> what order a customer request has to go from place to place to get stuff
>> done, things like that. Stuff that's perculiar to the particular
>> department structure that BT has chosen to implement.
>
> That's very useful information to know if you're on the outside and need
> help. There are probably companies that would love to get their hands on
> an employee who has that kind of inside knowledge.
Well, perhaps. Good luck finding 'em though.
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>> But it could be useful to another employer :-P
>
> Hey, if you know of such an employer who's actually hiring, let me know!
> ;-)
I don't think any employer exists that is advertising the perfect job that
exactly matches what you want to do with no mention of anything that you
remotely dislike...
It seems to me that out of the thousands of IT jobs being advertised, you
actually prefer the job you have at the moment.
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>>> But it could be useful to another employer :-P
>>
>> Hey, if you know of such an employer who's actually hiring, let me
>> know! ;-)
>
> I don't think any employer exists that is advertising the perfect job
> that exactly matches what you want to do with no mention of anything
> that you remotely dislike...
I agree.
My point is actually this: I know about data compression, cryptology,
DSP, complex numbers, statistics, logic circuits, numerical integration,
sound synthesis, differential calculus, functional programming, data
structures and algorithms... I could go on. Now, who *the hell* is going
to care about any of these things?
> It seems to me that out of the thousands of IT jobs being advertised,
> you actually prefer the job you have at the moment.
Heh, if only I could *find* thousands of IT jobs! :-P
Actually, I've been thinking about this one. Maybe I'm setting my sights
too high. Maybe I just need to accept that nobody is ever going to pay
me to write computer programs, and start looking for boring sysadmin
jobs instead... Those surely have drastically greater availability, and
at least I can claim to have real, relevant commercial experience.
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> My point is actually this: I know about data compression, cryptology, DSP,
> complex numbers, statistics, logic circuits, numerical integration, sound
> synthesis, differential calculus, functional programming, data structures
> and algorithms... I could go on. Now, who *the hell* is going to care
> about any of these things?
Nobody. 95% of what I know I won't use in my job. In another job it might
be a different 5% that I use, but it's not going to be much more than that.
> Heh, if only I could *find* thousands of IT jobs! :-P
monster.co.uk "IT support" gives several thousand.
> Actually, I've been thinking about this one. Maybe I'm setting my sights
> too high. Maybe I just need to accept that nobody is ever going to pay me
> to write computer programs,
See to me you don't seem like the type that would enjoy someone pressuring
you every day to get some code finished and out the door (that you might not
be 100% happy with), you seem to prefer the more relaxed "hobby" attitude of
programming (as do I).
> and start looking for boring sysadmin jobs instead... Those surely have
> drastically greater availability, and at least I can claim to have real,
> relevant commercial experience.
a) Almost any "boring sysadmin job" is going to pay more than you are
getting now
b) I suspect quite a lot of sysadmin jobs would give you the opportunity to
write programs at a more leisurely pace than if it was your main job
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>> My point is actually this: I know about data compression, cryptology,
>> DSP, complex numbers, statistics, logic circuits, numerical
>> integration, sound synthesis, differential calculus, functional
>> programming, data structures and algorithms... I could go on. Now, who
>> *the hell* is going to care about any of these things?
>
> Nobody. 95% of what I know I won't use in my job. In another job it
> might be a different 5% that I use, but it's not going to be much more
> than that.
I said "any", not "all".
It seems difficult to imagine a job which requires numerical integration
*and* cryptology, for example. But personally, I can't imagine getting
hired for a job where even one of the above is useful. I mean, sure,
somebody somewhere designs ICs for a living. And somebody, somewhere
else, designs bridges. Have *you* ever met a bridge designer??
>> Heh, if only I could *find* thousands of IT jobs! :-P
>
> monster.co.uk "IT support" gives several thousand.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying; maybe I should look at support instead of
programming.
>> Actually, I've been thinking about this one. Maybe I'm setting my
>> sights too high. Maybe I just need to accept that nobody is ever going
>> to pay me to write computer programs,
>
> See to me you don't seem like the type that would enjoy someone
> pressuring you every day to get some code finished and out the door
> (that you might not be 100% happy with), you seem to prefer the more
> relaxed "hobby" attitude of programming (as do I).
Possibly.
> a) Almost any "boring sysadmin job" is going to pay more than you are
> getting now.
Wouldn't be hard, eh? ;-)
> b) I suspect quite a lot of sysadmin jobs would give you the opportunity
> to write programs at a more leisurely pace than if it was your main job.
Well, my current sysadmin job does...
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> But personally, I can't imagine getting hired for a job where even one of
> the above is useful. I mean, sure, somebody somewhere designs ICs for a
> living.
Several people in my department have designed ICs at some point or another,
for LCD drivers or just general stuff for test equipment. I imagine a lot
of electrical engineering jobs elsewhere require such skills without being
solely an "IC designer".
> And somebody, somewhere else, designs bridges. Have *you* ever met a
> bridge designer??
Yes, several, although having done an engineering degree probably helps to
meet them :-)
The point is that mostly you don't recruit a "bridge designer" or an "IC
designer", you want a structural engineer or an electrical engineer. Being
able to design bridges or ICs is just one of the skills you need them to
possess in order to do their job.
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>> But personally, I can't imagine getting hired for a job where even one
>> of the above is useful. I mean, sure, somebody somewhere designs ICs
>> for a living.
>
> Several people in my department have designed ICs at some point or
> another, for LCD drivers or just general stuff for test equipment. I
> imagine a lot of electrical engineering jobs elsewhere require such
> skills without being solely an "IC designer".
>
>> And somebody, somewhere else, designs bridges. Have *you* ever met a
>> bridge designer??
>
> Yes, several, although having done an engineering degree probably helps
> to meet them :-)
>
> The point is that mostly you don't recruit a "bridge designer" or an "IC
> designer", you want a structural engineer or an electrical engineer.
> Being able to design bridges or ICs is just one of the skills you need
> them to possess in order to do their job.
Of course, when I think about designing ICs, I'm thinking strictly about
purely digital "logic" devices such as microprocessors or crypto units.
There are of course other types...
My point is, it seems almost unimaginable to me that real people
actually get hired to do technical jobs such as these. It's the
equivilent of being a world-class violinist. Sure, such people must
exist somewhere, but you're never going to meet one, and *I* will
certainly never become one.
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> Of course, when I think about designing ICs, I'm thinking strictly about
> purely digital "logic" devices such as microprocessors or crypto units.
> There are of course other types...
There's probably more "other types" being designed than microprocessors or
crypto units, by a long way. What about FPGAs? Those are also really
common to use across many industries, someone has to program those.
> My point is, it seems almost unimaginable to me that real people actually
> get hired to do technical jobs such as these.
It seems unimaginable to you that anyone does anything apart from the people
*you* meet. Try to think a bit "behind the scenes", there is a huge
industry for designing and building ICs. I can't begin to imagine how many
people are employed in total in the IC industry worldwide, let alone the
people who are designing small ICs "in-house" for internal use. Do you
think just a few dozen people designed every single IC that is available
today between them? (Just look at the ST Micro website to see sheer
quantity of ICs available)
> It's the equivilent of being a world-class violinist.
Only if you're world renowned as one of the top IC designers in the world,
probably some fellow of the IC designers institute (or whatever it is
actually called) and giving lots of sessions at conferences etc.
> Sure, such people must exist somewhere, but you're never going to meet
> one,
Not in work unless your job is somehow related, and out of work it will be
random chance, so the more people you meet the more likely you are to meet
someone who designs ICs :-) I'd be very surprised if nobody in your company
knew someone who had designed an IC.
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Invisible wrote:
> Now, who *the hell* is going to care about any of these things?
Google. University research labs. Amazon.com. Lots and lots of places need
those sorts of skills.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Is God willing to prevent naglams, but unable?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing, to prevent naglams?
Then he is malevolent.
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Invisible wrote:
> Have *you* ever met a bridge designer??
My uncle designed all the bridges in Philadelphia. ;-) At least the steel ones.
But really, ask yourself this: "What problem requires knowing about
cryptography to solve?" "What problem requires knowing about numerical
integration to solve?" Then you'll know what jobs you're qualified for.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Is God willing to prevent naglams, but unable?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing, to prevent naglams?
Then he is malevolent.
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>> Now, who *the hell* is going to care about any of these things?
>
> Google. University research labs. Amazon.com. Lots and lots of places
> need those sorts of skills.
And exactly how many people, in the entire world, work for Google or Amazon?
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> And exactly how many people, in the entire world, work for Google or
> Amazon?
I'm just naming the ones you probably heard of. It's like asking "how many
people need to know how to PCR DNA? or "run a centrifuge". Lots, in
hospitals and medical labs, but you don't see them working in front of you.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Is God willing to prevent naglams, but unable?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing, to prevent naglams?
Then he is malevolent.
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Now, who *the hell* is going to care about any of these things?
>>
>> Google. University research labs. Amazon.com. Lots and lots of places
>> need those sorts of skills.
>
> And exactly how many people, in the entire world, work for Google or
> Amazon?
Hmm probably thousands, in several countries?
--
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Stefan Viljoen wrote:
> Hmm probably thousands, in several countries?
Seriously? Amazon hires thousands of people just for the christmas season,
let alone all year. You really don't fill 43 orders per second with
"thousands" of people. :-) It also doesn't count Mehcanical Turk. ;-)
Oh, there we go:
http://askville.amazon.com/employees-amazon/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=5927635
That's from 2006, and hard to say if amazon.co.uk is the same "company" as
amazon.com.
Google has 20,000 employees, but with about a 10%-30% turnover each year.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Is God willing to prevent naglams, but unable?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing, to prevent naglams?
Then he is malevolent.
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:52:13 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>>> I mean stuff like knowing which departments deal with which problems,
>>> what order a customer request has to go from place to place to get
>>> stuff done, things like that. Stuff that's perculiar to the particular
>>> department structure that BT has chosen to implement.
>>
>> That's very useful information to know if you're on the outside and
>> need help. There are probably companies that would love to get their
>> hands on an employee who has that kind of inside knowledge.
>
> Well, perhaps. Good luck finding 'em though.
It starts by looking at companies that might have that need - like ISPs.
Jim
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:24:58 +0000, Invisible wrote:
> Actually, I've been thinking about this one. Maybe I'm setting my sights
> too high. Maybe I just need to accept that nobody is ever going to pay
> me to write computer programs, and start looking for boring sysadmin
> jobs instead... Those surely have drastically greater availability, and
> at least I can claim to have real, relevant commercial experience.
You maybe just need to broaden your search a bit. Like looking outside
of Milton Keynes for a start.
Jim
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>> Actually, I've been thinking about this one. Maybe I'm setting my sights
>> too high. Maybe I just need to accept that nobody is ever going to pay
>> me to write computer programs, and start looking for boring sysadmin
>> jobs instead... Those surely have drastically greater availability, and
>> at least I can claim to have real, relevant commercial experience.
>
> You maybe just need to broaden your search a bit. Like looking outside
> of Milton Keynes for a start.
For the twenty-eight time, I have *already* tried looking outside of
just MK. There are several other potential places within range (notably
Oxford). I'm just not finding much worth applying for in terms of
programming. Hence my suggestion that perhaps I need to look for a
different career.
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Darren New wrote:
> Stefan Viljoen wrote:
>> Hmm probably thousands, in several countries?
>
> Seriously? Amazon hires thousands of people just for the christmas
> season, let alone all year. You really don't fill 43 orders per second
> with
> "thousands" of people. :-) It also doesn't count Mehcanical Turk. ;-)
Yikes! Ok, I stand corrected.
> Google has 20,000 employees, but with about a 10%-30% turnover each year.
Yikes squared. Its scary - commercial companies that have more employees
than there are people in many of the countries around here's entire
government services.
--
Stefan Viljoen
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Invisible wrote:
> different career.
Or a different city. Move to San Francisco.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Is God willing to prevent naglams, but unable?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing, to prevent naglams?
Then he is malevolent.
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On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:40:31 +0000, Invisible wrote:
> For the twenty-eight time, I have *already* tried looking outside of
> just MK. There are several other potential places within range (notably
> Oxford). I'm just not finding much worth applying for in terms of
> programming. Hence my suggestion that perhaps I need to look for a
> different career.
Not just outside MK, but outside the immediate area. You are still stuck
on this idea that you couldn't possibly afford a house, so you don't
bother to look at places where they might actually pay you enough to
afford a house (or a flat).
But broadening your search to look for a different career also wouldn't
be a bad way to increase the odds of finding something.
Jim
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>> different career.
>
> Or a different city. Move to San Francisco.
Sure. Or I could just top myself now. Probably a lot simpler. :-P
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Not just outside MK, but outside the immediate area. You are still stuck
> on this idea that you couldn't possibly afford a house, so you don't
> bother to look at places where they might actually pay you enough to
> afford a house (or a flat).
You don't seem to get it, do you? I *like* MK. I don't want to leave.
It's the only place in the UK I've found that isn't old and crappy.
> But broadening your search to look for a different career also wouldn't
> be a bad way to increase the odds of finding something.
Well, it's a case of facing facts. Who the hell needs programmers?
Nobody. Who needs someone to look after their computers? Quite a lot of
people...
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Invisible wrote:
>>> different career.
>>
>> Or a different city. Move to San Francisco.
>
> Sure. Or I could just top myself now. Probably a lot simpler. :-P
Do you realise that you have just dissed the most important country in
the world. Expect cruse missiles over MK by tonight :p
--
Best Regards,
Stephen
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>>> Or a different city. Move to San Francisco.
>>
>> Sure. Or I could just top myself now. Probably a lot simpler. :-P
>
> Do you realise that you have just dissed the most important country in
> the world. Expect cruse missiles over MK by tonight :p
Hey, some *other* people might like San Francisco. Especially if they
like wearing flowers in their hair. But that's not my style...
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>> Or a different city. Move to San Francisco.
>
> Sure. Or I could just top myself now. Probably a lot simpler. :-P
Apply for a job in SF, they give you a telephone interview, then pay for
your flight and hotel to do a face-to-face interview. Then they offer you
the job, obviously including relocation expenses. You take a flight there,
stay in a hotel for a couple of weeks until you find a house/apartment, then
arrange to have the rest of your stuff shipped over. Job done. People do
this all the time, it's no big deal. If it turns out you hate it then move
back after 6 months or whatever.
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Not just outside MK, but outside the immediate area. You are still stuck
He is in KIP!
Off Topic for this thread but it saves me starting another one and in
this green society that gives me brownie points and points mean?
ISIHAC Series 52, Episode 2 has an interesting game of Mornington
Crescent. It can be heard for 12 more days at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00ny7n8
--
Best Regards,
Stephen
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scott wrote:
>>> Or a different city. Move to San Francisco.
>>
>> Sure. Or I could just top myself now. Probably a lot simpler. :-P
>
> Apply for a job in SF, they give you a telephone interview, then pay for
> your flight and hotel to do a face-to-face interview. Then they offer
> you the job, obviously including relocation expenses. You take a flight
> there, stay in a hotel for a couple of weeks until you find a
> house/apartment, then arrange to have the rest of your stuff shipped
> over. Job done. People do this all the time, it's no big deal. If it
> turns out you hate it then move back after 6 months or whatever.
Heh. Sure. I mean, just turn my back on everyone and everything I have
ever cared about in this world, travel thousands of miles to somewhere
where I don't even know what the laws are never mind the local customs,
and live in total isolation for the rest of my life (or at least until I
decide I want to stop). I'm sure people do it every day. :-}
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> Heh. Sure. I mean, just turn my back on everyone and everything I have
> ever cared about in this world,
Nowadays we have telephones and planes for this purpose :-)
> travel thousands of miles to somewhere where I don't even know what the
> laws are never mind the local customs,
You'll find out soon enough...
> and live in total isolation for the rest of my life
There are Other People in SF you know! Probably even some POVers and
Haskelers.
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>> Heh. Sure. I mean, just turn my back on everyone and everything I have
>> ever cared about in this world,
>
> Nowadays we have telephones and planes for this purpose :-)
Heh. Sure. Because I'm *made* of money! (Not to mention the Minor Detail
of the timezone difference...)
>> travel thousands of miles to somewhere where I don't even know what
>> the laws are never mind the local customs,
>
> You'll find out soon enough...
Excuse me sir? Is that an open beer container? In this country, it is
illegal to have an open beer container inside a moving vehicle. Could
you come with me please...
>> and live in total isolation for the rest of my life
>
> There are Other People in SF you know! Probably even some POVers and
> Haskelers.
If I can't meet people here in the normal world, what chance do I stand
in a foreign country?
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> If I can't meet people here in the normal world, what chance do I stand
> in a foreign country?
You won't notice any difference then.
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>> If I can't meet people here in the normal world, what chance do I
>> stand in a foreign country?
>
> You won't notice any difference then.
Well, there is always that...
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Invisible wrote:
> Hey, some *other* people might like San Francisco. Especially if they
> like wearing flowers in their hair. But that's not my style...
You have no idea what SF is like, do you? :-)
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
You know the kamikaze monsters in Serious Sam
with the bombs for hands, that go AAAAAHHHHHHHH!
I want that for a ring tone.
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Invisible wrote:
> Heh. Sure. Because I'm *made* of money!
My wife moved to the USA from China. We pay $0.06/minute to talk on the
phone. When she got here, she had $18, which was something like a full
month's pay in China at the time, so it should be plenty to get to where she
was going and find a place to stay, right?
> Excuse me sir? Is that an open beer container? In this country, it is
> illegal to have an open beer container inside a moving vehicle. Could
> you come with me please...
See? You already know the laws. :-)
> If I can't meet people here in the normal world, what chance do I stand
> in a foreign country?
Probably a lot better, with nothing to lose and surrounded by people who are
actually *friendly*. (Not that I'd say that about *every* US city, but
SanFran is high on the list.)
Heck, interview for google. They seem a very friendly bunch too.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
You know the kamikaze monsters in Serious Sam
with the bombs for hands, that go AAAAAHHHHHHHH!
I want that for a ring tone.
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>> Hey, some *other* people might like San Francisco. Especially if they
>> like wearing flowers in their hair. But that's not my style...
>
> You have no idea what SF is like, do you? :-)
Heh, no. Only what I've heard. ;-)
Actually, I sometimes wonder if all those other people of the world
actually thing that Englishmen walk around all day in tophats and tails
drinking tea and eating biscuits. Cos, you know... one could easily make
that mistake.
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Invisible wrote:
>>> Hey, some *other* people might like San Francisco. Especially if they
>>> like wearing flowers in their hair. But that's not my style...
>>
>> You have no idea what SF is like, do you? :-)
>
> Heh, no. Only what I've heard. ;-)
>
> Actually, I sometimes wonder if all those other people of the world
> actually thing that Englishmen walk around all day in tophats and tails
> drinking tea and eating biscuits. Cos, you know... one could easily make
> that mistake.
Yeah, and we have shoot-outs in the street every day, just for fun. :-)
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
You know the kamikaze monsters in Serious Sam
with the bombs for hands, that go AAAAAHHHHHHHH!
I want that for a ring tone.
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On 24-11-2009 10:17, Invisible wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> Not just outside MK, but outside the immediate area. You are still
>> stuck on this idea that you couldn't possibly afford a house, so you
>> don't bother to look at places where they might actually pay you
>> enough to afford a house (or a flat).
>
> You don't seem to get it, do you? I *like* MK. I don't want to leave.
> It's the only place in the UK I've found that isn't old and crappy.
>
>> But broadening your search to look for a different career also
>> wouldn't be a bad way to increase the odds of finding something.
>
> Well, it's a case of facing facts. Who the hell needs programmers?
> Nobody. Who needs someone to look after their computers? Quite a lot of
> people...
I need a programmer, someone who knows how to handle procedures, someone
with experience in 3D, someone able to work in a multidisciplinary team,
someone to keep us focussed, someone with knowledge of anatomy, and
indeed a sysop for a small group.
Salary with your CV, I am guessing, around €3000 per month or slightly
less. Before tax.
Need not all be present in one person, there will be 2 positions to
fill. And there will be at least two other persons that are able to
perform sysop like tasks.
But I think we established that you would not even consider moving to
Amsterdam.
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On 24-11-2009 15:58, Invisible wrote:
> Heh. Sure. I mean, just turn my back on everyone and everything I have
> ever cared about in this world
Interesting.
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On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:17:25 +0000, Invisible wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> Not just outside MK, but outside the immediate area. You are still
>> stuck on this idea that you couldn't possibly afford a house, so you
>> don't bother to look at places where they might actually pay you enough
>> to afford a house (or a flat).
>
> You don't seem to get it, do you? I *like* MK. I don't want to leave.
> It's the only place in the UK I've found that isn't old and crappy.
And at the same time, you say "I don't want to get the crap kicked out of
me by standing up for myself" - which to me DOESN'T sound like that great
of a place to live. Unless you like living in fear of having the crap
kicked out of you for standing up for yourself.
I understand that there are things you like about MK. I also understand
that you haven't actually seen a lot of the world, so your decision-
making being based on what you know is what's limiting you.
>> But broadening your search to look for a different career also wouldn't
>> be a bad way to increase the odds of finding something.
>
> Well, it's a case of facing facts. Who the hell needs programmers?
> Nobody. Who needs someone to look after their computers? Quite a lot of
> people...
Nobody in MK perhaps, which is why you maybe need to broaden your search
parameters - and not just by fields, but by geography.
That's my point, and one you have rather persistently not seen.
Jim
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On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:53:33 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> Not just outside MK, but outside the immediate area. You are still
>> stuck
>
> He is in KIP!
LOL
> Off Topic for this thread but it saves me starting another one and in
> this green society that gives me brownie points and points mean?
>
> ISIHAC Series 52, Episode 2 has an interesting game of Mornington
> Crescent. It can be heard for 12 more days at
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00ny7n8
Yay! We listened to Ep1, and I was wondering when we were finally going
to get an episode of MC. Will grab it (should have shown up on uknova by
now?).
Jim
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On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:58:51 +0000, Invisible wrote:
> scott wrote:
>>>> Or a different city. Move to San Francisco.
>>>
>>> Sure. Or I could just top myself now. Probably a lot simpler. :-P
>>
>> Apply for a job in SF, they give you a telephone interview, then pay
>> for your flight and hotel to do a face-to-face interview. Then they
>> offer you the job, obviously including relocation expenses. You take a
>> flight there, stay in a hotel for a couple of weeks until you find a
>> house/apartment, then arrange to have the rest of your stuff shipped
>> over. Job done. People do this all the time, it's no big deal. If it
>> turns out you hate it then move back after 6 months or whatever.
>
> Heh. Sure. I mean, just turn my back on everyone and everything I have
> ever cared about in this world, travel thousands of miles to somewhere
> where I don't even know what the laws are never mind the local customs,
> and live in total isolation for the rest of my life (or at least until I
> decide I want to stop). I'm sure people do it every day. :-}
Hey, we're planning to move to Scotland in the next few years. People do
this quite regularly.
Jim
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On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:01:15 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>>>> Or a different city. Move to San Francisco.
>>>
>>> Sure. Or I could just top myself now. Probably a lot simpler. :-P
>>
>> Do you realise that you have just dissed the most important country in
>> the world. Expect cruse missiles over MK by tonight :p
>
> Hey, some *other* people might like San Francisco. Especially if they
> like wearing flowers in their hair. But that's not my style...
Then you don't understand what SF is all about very well, and you're
prejudging based on, I don't know, movies you've seen that are supposedly
set in SF?
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:53:33 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>
> Yay! We listened to Ep1, and I was wondering when we were finally going
> to get an episode of MC. Will grab it (should have shown up on uknova by
> now?).
>
> Jim
I won’t spoil it for you :)
--
Best Regards,
Stephen
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>>> Do you realise that you have just dissed the most important country in
>>> the world. Expect cruse missiles over MK by tonight :p
>> Hey, some *other* people might like San Francisco. Especially if they
>> like wearing flowers in their hair. But that's not my style...
>
> Then you don't understand what SF is all about very well, and you're
> prejudging based on, I don't know, movies you've seen that are supposedly
> set in SF?
The thing about the flowers was supposed to be entertaining. I'm just
saying that, while other people might like it, I personally don't want
to live in SF.
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>> You don't seem to get it, do you? I *like* MK. I don't want to leave.
>> It's the only place in the UK I've found that isn't old and crappy.
>
> And at the same time, you say "I don't want to get the crap kicked out of
> me by standing up for myself" - which to me DOESN'T sound like that great
> of a place to live. Unless you like living in fear of having the crap
> kicked out of you for standing up for yourself.
Surely that's the some everywhere though? I mean, whether you're in
London, Paris or Rome, upsetting people generally isn't a good idea.
> I understand that there are things you like about MK. I also understand
> that you haven't actually seen a lot of the world, so your decision-
> making being based on what you know is what's limiting you.
I've been to a number of random cities around the country. Hell, I've
even been to places in other countries. The nice thing about Switzerland
is the skiing. But if it weren't for the skiing and the snow, there
would be absolutely no reason to go there - and I would certainly never
ever want to live there, even if it were somehow possible to ski every
single day, all year round.
Similarly, I enjoy visiting places in London such as the Natural History
Museum and the Royal Albert Hall, but London itself is an unpleasent
inconvenience that I have to go through to get to these places. It's
certainly not somewhere I'd choose to hang around.
And then there are places like Liverpool and Lincoln, which I also only
visit because there's something there I want. I certainly don't hang
around for the city itself. Brrr!
>> Well, it's a case of facing facts. Who the hell needs programmers?
>> Nobody. Who needs someone to look after their computers? Quite a lot of
>> people...
>
> Nobody in MK perhaps, which is why you maybe need to broaden your search
> parameters - and not just by fields, but by geography.
>
> That's my point, and one you have rather persistently not seen.
Well sure, if I go live in London I'm sure there are bucket-loads of
programming jobs. The point is that I don't *want* to ever have to live
in London if humanly possible. What's complicated about that?
Hell, if I move to Germany, I could hypothetically go work for Native
Instruments. (I mean, if it weren't for the fact that this is obviously
impossible.) But then I'd have to live in Germany, which would kind of
negate the benefits.
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> Surely that's the some everywhere though? I mean, whether you're in
> London, Paris or Rome, upsetting people generally isn't a good idea.
In most UK cities though, it seems that "casually glancing at someone"
counts as trying to start a fight if they've had a few drinks - I've not
seen that anywhere else. In fact the general level of drunken violence I
have not seen anywhere outside of the UK (apart from where British people
go, eg away football matches and holiday resorts). That is one thing I
certainly don't miss about the UK.
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One of your main character faults is that you judge things that you have
never seen.
Sure, there may be places in London that you don't want to live, but
there are also places that you could happily live in. London is simply
too big to lump it all together. Especially not if your only experience
is from a casual visit to the city center.
I am rather sure that you have never been to Germany so your remarks
about that country are simply inappropriate.
I don't recall that you have visited Amsterdam or the Netherlands in
general. Again there are places you don't want to live in but also
places that are much better than MK on an objective scale, though
possibly not yours. Same for France (though they have the added problem
of no speaking English) or Switzerland or Finland or...
Aside from that, there is still that problem that you may want to live
somewhere but you also have to work there. ATM you are moderately not
unhappy not to live outside MK, but you don't want to work there. If you
move to another place where they do have an interesting and fulfilling
job, you may have to move. So you won't live where you want to. Or do
you? Is there any guarantee that after living there for a few months you
still won't like the place?
Totally aside: is there a nice psychiatric term for your condition. It
clearly is some kind of phobia, but perhaps it is so rare that it does
not have a name. Anyone knows?
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andrel wrote:
> One of your main character faults is that you judge things that you have
> never seen.
So unless I've visited every single city, town, village and hamlet on
the entire face of the Earth, I'm not entitled to have an opinion?
Any specific reason why this only applies to me?
> Sure, there may be places in London that you don't want to live, but
> there are also places that you could happily live in. London is simply
> too big to lump it all together. Especially not if your only experience
> is from a casual visit to the city center.
My grandparents live in Harrow. I'm fairly sure that isn't central London.
Due to my sister moving around the place a lot, I've also spent a
certain amount of time in a number of other parts of the country -
Reading, Guildford, Hull, Manchester, etc. Didn't like any of them.
> I am rather sure that you have never been to Germany so your remarks
> about that country are simply inappropriate.
There's nothing wrong with Germany. I'm sure lots of people *love*
living there. It's just that *I* don't want to live there. I'm allowed
an opinion aren't I?
Switzerland I've visited. (I've been "in" France, but only by sitting
inside a moving car. That doesn't really count for much.) It's a
pleasent enough place to visit, but I wouldn't want to have to live there.
> Aside from that, there is still that problem that you may want to live
> somewhere but you also have to work there.
Agreed.
Still, most of the populous of MK are employed. If everybody else
manages it, there seems no particular reason why I can't.
> ATM you are moderately not
> unhappy not to live outside MK, but you don't want to work there.
Um... is that a triple-negative? I'm having trouble resolving exactly
what the meaning of this sentence is.
> If you
> move to another place where they do have an interesting and fulfilling
> job, you may have to move.
If I move, I may have to move? Interesting tautology... But I think I
get what you're saying.
> Totally aside: is there a nice psychiatric term for your condition. It
> clearly is some kind of phobia, but perhaps it is so rare that it does
> not have a name. Anyone knows?
Xenophobia? *shrugs*
Besides, technically a phobia is when you're "afraid" of something, not
just when you "don't want" something. It's not that I'm afraid of living
somewhere else, just that I don't particularly want to.
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On 27-11-2009 11:12, Invisible wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> One of your main character faults is that you judge things that you
>> have never seen.
>
> So unless I've visited every single city, town, village and hamlet on
> the entire face of the Earth, I'm not entitled to have an opinion?
No, you should simply refrain from voicing a negative opinion on
something you don't know.
> Any specific reason why this only applies to me?
It applies to everybody.
>> Sure, there may be places in London that you don't want to live, but
>> there are also places that you could happily live in. London is simply
>> too big to lump it all together. Especially not if your only
>> experience is from a casual visit to the city center.
>
> My grandparents live in Harrow. I'm fairly sure that isn't central London.
don't know, never been there.
> Due to my sister moving around the place a lot, I've also spent a
> certain amount of time in a number of other parts of the country -
> Reading, Guildford, Hull, Manchester, etc. Didn't like any of them.
>
>> I am rather sure that you have never been to Germany so your remarks
>> about that country are simply inappropriate.
>
> There's nothing wrong with Germany. I'm sure lots of people *love*
> living there. It's just that *I* don't want to live there. I'm allowed
> an opinion aren't I?
Are you sure it is "aren't I"? Anyway, yes you are allowed an opinion,
my problem is prejudice. This was just that, a negative opinion based on
no facts at all.
> Switzerland I've visited. (I've been "in" France, but only by sitting
> inside a moving car. That doesn't really count for much.) It's a
> pleasant enough place to visit, but I wouldn't want to have to live there.
>
>> Aside from that, there is still that problem that you may want to live
>> somewhere but you also have to work there.
>
> Agreed.
>
> Still, most of the populous of MK are employed. If everybody else
> manages it, there seems no particular reason why I can't.
AFAIK you are employed. Do work below your capacity, hate it, and are
not prepared to change your job for fear of the unknown.
>> ATM you are moderately not unhappy not to live outside MK, but you
>> don't want to work there.
>
> Um... is that a triple-negative?
It was intended as a quadruple-negative.
> I'm having trouble resolving exactly
> what the meaning of this sentence is.
Oh come on, dust of your boolean skills.
"you are moderately happy to live in MK'"
>> If you move to another place where they do have an interesting and
>> fulfilling job, you may have to move.
>
> If I move, I may have to move? Interesting tautology... But I think I
> get what you're saying.
>
>> Totally aside: is there a nice psychiatric term for your condition. It
>> clearly is some kind of phobia, but perhaps it is so rare that it does
>> not have a name. Anyone knows?
>
> Xenophobia? *shrugs*
That is normally used for people afraid of meeting foreigners in their
own country not for people afraid of meeting foreigners in their own
country. D*mn is there a way to phrase this in an unambiguous way? This
clearly isn't.
> Besides, technically a phobia is when you're "afraid" of something, not
> just when you "don't want" something. It's not that I'm afraid of living
> somewhere else, just that I don't particularly want to.
I meant the "afraid" interpretation. You may say that it is "just that I
don't particularly want to" what you communicate is that there is no way
that you will ever be prepared to even consider moving. Even is someone
asks you to fly to the states, you said that you rather quit your job
than do that (though indeed later on you managed to go to Switzerland).
Put another way: normally I am prepared to accept anybody's statement on
what they feel and think, but in this case I think you are simply scared
to death by the idea of change, no matter what you say.
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On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:28:38 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>>>> Do you realise that you have just dissed the most important country
>>>> in the world. Expect cruse missiles over MK by tonight :p
>>> Hey, some *other* people might like San Francisco. Especially if they
>>> like wearing flowers in their hair. But that's not my style...
>>
>> Then you don't understand what SF is all about very well, and you're
>> prejudging based on, I don't know, movies you've seen that are
>> supposedly set in SF?
>
> The thing about the flowers was supposed to be entertaining.
It was....
> I'm just
> saying that, while other people might like it, I personally don't want
> to live in SF.
Even though you don't know what it's really like?
Jim
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