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How do you do it?
I usually close mine by pushing lightly at the end of the tray, until the
drive seems to "sense" this and pulls the tray closed the rest of the way.
I know of course probably you should more properly use the tray open / close
button, but I find it is often faster to drop the disc on the tray, then
push it lightly, rather then reaching for the button which on my drive is
below the tray, and thus partially hidden from sight (my PC is on a low
table next to my main desk, so I sit higher than it.)
A friend of mine says doing it "my way" can damage the drive and / or the
tray mechanism - I can understand that if you bend or ram the tray closed,
but if you just gently touch it until it starts closing by itself?
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Stefan Viljoen <pov### [at] polard com> wrote:
> I usually close mine by pushing lightly at the end of the tray, until the
> drive seems to "sense" this and pulls the tray closed the rest of the way.
Don't you mean the cup holder? ;)
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Warp wrote:
> Stefan Viljoen <pov### [at] polardcom> wrote:
>> I usually close mine by pushing lightly at the end of the tray, until the
>> drive seems to "sense" this and pulls the tray closed the rest of the
>> way.
>
> Don't you mean the cup holder? ;)
That's how I broke the first one!
Then this nice kind person explained in easy words and some real spiffy but
terribly complicated pictures that you put that silver round thingy on
there.
Now I just need to figure out how to get the silver side to be down, and not
the side with the label thing on it.
;)
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On 11/13/09 13:54, Stefan Viljoen wrote:
> Now I just need to figure out how to get the silver side to be down, and not
> the side with the label thing on it.
Yeah. That label causes that side to be heavier and have a natural
tendency to be the down side. I sympathize.
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I am using CD/DVD drives since the earliest days of CD-ROM drives. If I
remember correctly I had my first drive in the early 1990's. I always closed
my drives your way and never, ever, did a single drive die because of this.
A few died from a bad case of acute CD-label detachment, though. More DVDs
became (temporarily) unreadable because of using aforementioned labels.
The gear mechanism that opens and closes the drive's tray is meant to
operate this way. You just should not use excessive force. And you should
wait until the drive is fully opened before you try to close it by pushing
the try in. If you don't wait, it should not matter much, either. Part of
the mechanism is a rubber band transmission that should just be skidding in
case you try to keep the try closed by force or try to prevent it from
closing by force. The mechanism is designed this way to prevent a stuck CD
from destroying the drive.
Now, if you use the "emergency eject" mechanism when a CD is stuck by
inserting a straightened paperclip into the "emergency eject hole" something
is likely to give. Hopefully the stuck CD will become unstuck, but if you
apply enough force something might actually break. So better pray to Anoia
before trying this ;-)
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"Stefan Viljoen" <pov### [at] polardcom> wrote in message
news:4afdb19f@news.povray.org...
> A friend of mine says doing it "my way" can damage the drive and / or the
> tray mechanism
Regular DVD drives are dirt cheap, so who cares? Not that I've seen a drive
damaged that way. The optical mechanism will die, get dusty, misaligned...
etc, or the technology will become obsolete long before failure due to
pushing the door. But if your friend is overly concerned about mechanical
failures, he shouldn't be pushing the button anyway (which also would
eventually fail) but use software "eject".
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On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:22:14 +0200, Stefan Viljoen wrote:
> I usually close mine by pushing lightly at the end of the tray
This is how I have done it for tray-loading drives.
Jim
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wrote:
> I am using CD/DVD drives since the earliest days of CD-ROM drives. If I
> remember correctly I had my first drive in the early 1990's. I always
> closed my drives your way and never, ever, did a single drive die because
> of this. A few died from a bad case of acute CD-label detachment, though.
> More DVDs became (temporarily) unreadable because of using aforementioned
> labels.
Ah, good!
> Now, if you use the "emergency eject" mechanism when a CD is stuck by
> inserting a straightened paperclip into the "emergency eject hole"
> something is likely to give. Hopefully the stuck CD will become unstuck,
> but if you apply enough force something might actually break. So better
> pray to Anoia before trying this ;-)
Anoia indeed. This happened with my DVR - it ate one of my DVD-RWs. The disc
is in the tray on the unit, and it absolutely refuses to eject. It -has- no
emergency eject hole that I can spot. It's a useless DVR anyway (an old LG
unit) that's got a very serious software bug that makes it virtually
unusable if you record more than about 40 entries into its video library.
So I'm considering taking it out back and taking an axe and / or hammer to
it to get my disc back.
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somebody wrote:
> "Stefan Viljoen" <pov### [at] polardcom> wrote in message
> news:4afdb19f@news.povray.org...
>
>> A friend of mine says doing it "my way" can damage the drive and / or the
>> tray mechanism
>
> Regular DVD drives are dirt cheap, so who cares? Not that I've seen a
> drive damaged that way. The optical mechanism will die, get dusty,
> misaligned... etc, or the technology will become obsolete long before
> failure due to pushing the door. But if your friend is overly concerned
> about mechanical failures, he shouldn't be pushing the button anyway
> (which also would eventually fail) but use software "eject".
True, they are inexpensive, but if you can avoid spending money
unnecessarily...
My current drive is an LG and I'm pretty pleased with this one. Its been
going about 2 years now, no problems. Previous LG drives did at three month
intervals regular as clock work (had 4 of them in one year!)
But this one is doing quite well. I'll take the eject suggestion under
advisement!
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Stefan Viljoen
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:22:14 +0200, Stefan Viljoen wrote:
>
>> I usually close mine by pushing lightly at the end of the tray
>
> This is how I have done it for tray-loading drives.
>
> Jim
Much more convenient - than reaching for the button below the tray.
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On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:14:05 +0200, Stefan Viljoen wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:22:14 +0200, Stefan Viljoen wrote:
>>
>>> I usually close mine by pushing lightly at the end of the tray
>>
>> This is how I have done it for tray-loading drives.
>>
>> Jim
>
> Much more convenient - than reaching for the button below the tray.
Especially on systems where the case prevents access to that button, such
as my HP Slimline s7727c. There's a silver button, but reaching it under
the cover for the CD tray is a pain, especially since I have to reach
around the tray to get to it - and half the time, the button doesn't work
for ejecting the disc.
Jim
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Stefan Viljoen <pov### [at] polardcom> wrote:
> Much more convenient - than reaching for the button below the tray.
I agree and normally do it this way myself. This is one of those subjects where
you've got to be careful if it's somebody else's equipment and they're prone to
worrying about this kind of thing.
Charles
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>> Now I just need to figure out how to get the silver side to be down,
>> and not
>> the side with the label thing on it.
>
> Yeah. That label causes that side to be heavier and have a natural
> tendency to be the down side. I sympathize.
Would now be a bad time to mention that I own disks with data on both sides?
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On 14-11-2009 12:23, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Now I just need to figure out how to get the silver side to be down,
>>> and not
>>> the side with the label thing on it.
>>
>> Yeah. That label causes that side to be heavier and have a natural
>> tendency to be the down side. I sympathize.
>
> Would now be a bad time to mention that I own disks with data on both
> sides?
>
yes
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Stefan Viljoen wrote:
> going about 2 years now, no problems.
You've jinxed it now.
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Stefan Viljoen wrote:
> Anoia indeed.
Wait till your CD gets stuck in your car's CD player. Fortunately it was
still under warrantee.
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I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Now I just need to figure out how to get the silver side to be down,
>>> and not
>>> the side with the label thing on it.
>>
>> Yeah. That label causes that side to be heavier and have a natural
>> tendency to be the down side. I sympathize.
>
> Would now be a bad time to mention that I own disks with data on both
> sides?
Probably! :)
I've only seen such discs with the Flight Simulator X FSX "Global" expansion
pack...
What do your double-sided discs contain? A game's data?
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Jim Charter wrote:
> Stefan Viljoen wrote:
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>> going about 2 years now, no problems.
>
> You've jinxed it now.
Maybe...
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Darren New wrote:
> Stefan Viljoen wrote:
>> Anoia indeed.
>
> Wait till your CD gets stuck in your car's CD player. Fortunately it was
> still under warrantee.
Yikes! I can see that being a bit more of a problem. However I'm so
frustrated now I feel I could take an axe to my car's dashboard, if the disc
was in there.
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Stefan Viljoen wrote:
> What do your double-sided discs contain? A game's data?
Usually Pan&Scan vs Widescreen movies.
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I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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Stefan Viljoen <pov### [at] polardcom> wrote:
> How do you do it?
.....
tok@linuxbox:~$ man eject
tok@linuxbox:~$ eject -t dvd
From the manual:
-t With this option the drive is given a CD-ROM tray close command.
Not all devices support this command.
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http://subcube.com
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Stefan Viljoen wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> Would now be a bad time to mention that I own disks with data on both
>> sides?
>
> Probably! :)
>
> I've only seen such discs with the Flight Simulator X FSX "Global" expansion
> pack...
>
> What do your double-sided discs contain? A game's data?
>
I remember one of the computer bundle CDs did that. I think it contained
Wing Commander, Syndicate, and some other stuff. And I have a DVD set
that put movies on both sides of a disc, rather than spend the extra
money for 3 discs in a box.
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Stefan Viljoen wrote:
> ... you put that silver round thingy on
> there.
lol, truly a nice kind person :-)
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Stefan Viljoen wrote:
> A friend of mine says doing it "my way" can damage the drive and / or the
> tray mechanism - I can understand that if you bend or ram the tray closed,
> but if you just gently touch it until it starts closing by itself?
Your friend is right, CD/DVDs are actually fragile, and careful handling
will give it more useful lifetime. so just gently put the "silver round
thingy" on it and push the close/open tray button. :-)
Thank "sensing" and eventually destructive behavior is what user tend to
do out of comfortability of use and exactly what the makers wants users
to do, so they can sell more units. Any PC tech with some experience
will tell you the same.
Cheers.
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Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
> tok@linuxbox:~$ man eject
> tok@linuxbox:~$ eject -t dvd
>
> From the manual:
>
> -t With this option the drive is given a CD-ROM tray close command.
> Not all devices support this command.
There is also a version of this for Windows floating around somewhere.
Bizarely, it works for remote PCs too. The author suggests using this to
freak people out...
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> A friend of mine says doing it "my way" can damage the drive and / or the
> tray mechanism -
Nah, they are designed and tested to be closed your way. If you ram the
tray in too hard repeatedly then maybe some of the teeth on the gears will
wear off, but I think that's quite unlikely unless you're deliberately
trying to break it.
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Invisible wrote:
> Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
>
>> tok@linuxbox:~$ man eject
>> tok@linuxbox:~$ eject -t dvd
>>
>> From the manual:
>>
>> -t With this option the drive is given a CD-ROM tray close
>> command.
>> Not all devices support this command.
>
> There is also a version of this for Windows floating around somewhere.
> Bizarely, it works for remote PCs too. The author suggests using this to
> freak people out...
Naw, if I want to freak someone out I VNC in while they are editing some
text and keep mixing up their spelling. Or if they try to click an icon you
move the cursor just a few pixels off target. Nasty, and everybody who has
ever seen VNC has probably done it, but great fun while it lasts.
One guy took about 15 seconds before he wanted to ram the PC off the
desktop.
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Sabrina Kilian wrote:
> Stefan Viljoen wrote:
>> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Would now be a bad time to mention that I own disks with data on both
>>> sides?
>>
>> Probably! :)
>>
>> I've only seen such discs with the Flight Simulator X FSX "Global"
>> expansion pack...
>>
>> What do your double-sided discs contain? A game's data?
>>
>
> I remember one of the computer bundle CDs did that. I think it contained
> Wing Commander, Syndicate, and some other stuff. And I have a DVD set
> that put movies on both sides of a disc, rather than spend the extra
> money for 3 discs in a box.
Interesting, this is very rarely seen here in DVD sets or games. Most of the
times you get physically separate discs, not one effectively molded back-to-
back.
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> Naw, if I want to freak someone out I VNC in while they are editing some
> text and keep mixing up their spelling. Or if they try to click an icon you
> move the cursor just a few pixels off target. Nasty, and everybody who has
> ever seen VNC has probably done it, but great fun while it lasts.
>
> One guy took about 15 seconds before he wanted to ram the PC off the
> desktop.
You take BOFH to new hieghts. O_O
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:49:05 +0200, Stefan Viljoen wrote:
> Naw, if I want to freak someone out I VNC in while they are editing some
> text and keep mixing up their spelling. Or if they try to click an icon
> you move the cursor just a few pixels off target. Nasty, and everybody
> who has ever seen VNC has probably done it, but great fun while it
> lasts.
>
> One guy took about 15 seconds before he wanted to ram the PC off the
> desktop.
Reminds me of using remote control software + Wordperfect as a chat
application (from my college days). The friend I needed to chat with had
loaned his login to another student, and the other student was in
business administration or something - he totally freaked out when WP
started talking to him. ;-)
Jim
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> Naw, if I want to freak someone out I VNC in while they are editing some
> text and keep mixing up their spelling. Or if they try to click an icon
> you
> move the cursor just a few pixels off target.
Once my gf was playing poker on my laptop using the touch pad, but I had an
external mouse connected too. Just as she was about to click "fold" I
budged the pointer so she bet a few $$s on a crap hand :-)
> Nasty, and everybody who has
> ever seen VNC has probably done it, but great fun while it lasts.
Hehe once I was on my computer and suddenly notepad gets loaded and someone
starts typing to me! *That* was freaky.
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>> Naw, if I want to freak someone out I VNC in while they are editing some
>> text and keep mixing up their spelling. Or if they try to click an
>> icon you
>> move the cursor just a few pixels off target.
>
> Once my gf was playing poker on my laptop using the touch pad, but I had
> an external mouse connected too. Just as she was about to click "fold"
> I budged the pointer so she bet a few $$s on a crap hand :-)
...and you still have a gf? o_O
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scott wrote:
> Hehe once I was on my computer and suddenly notepad gets loaded and
> someone starts typing to me! *That* was freaky.
Back in the X days, we used to connect remotely and replace the background
image with something rude, but that was about the extent of it.
Or take a screen snapshot, make that the background, then minimize all the
windows.
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Is God willing to prevent naglams, but unable? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing, to prevent naglams? Then he is malevolent.
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Darren New wrote:
> Back in the X days, we used to connect remotely and replace the
> background image with something rude, but that was about the extent of it.
In my first few days at work, an email started circulating containing an
attachment named BEARDED.EXE. If you are stupid enough to run an
executable attachment received from Justin of all people... well, you
get what you deserve, basically. (It changes your Windows background to
a very grainy JPEG image of... um... a bearded lady. And I'm NOT talking
about her face!)
> Or take a screen snapshot, make that the background, then minimize all
> the windows.
OMG, that's *evil*! o_O
I once sent out an email containing a picture showing the location of
the button you're supposed to press or something, and one guy actually
tried to click the picture in the email (and then get mad at me because
it didn't do what I said it would). There's always one...
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scott wrote:
> Hehe once I was on my computer and suddenly notepad gets loaded and
> someone
> starts typing to me! *That* was freaky.
Yeah! The first time I got VNC'ed I was freaked out like totally.
But a damn useful tool though (at least for what I do using it).
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Darren New wrote:
> scott wrote:
>> Hehe once I was on my computer and suddenly notepad gets loaded and
>> someone starts typing to me! *That* was freaky.
>
> Back in the X days, we used to connect remotely and replace the background
> image with something rude, but that was about the extent of it.
>
> Or take a screen snapshot, make that the background, then minimize all the
> windows.
I found myself doing it to myself yesterday... *blush*
Ok I had little sleep the past few days. I GIMP'ed up a screen shot of
Firefox for something I was working on, then alt-tabbed over to Emacs to
edit something, then alt-tab back to Firefox to see if my change did what it
was supposed to and... no response.
No matter what I did, FF was totally dead. No amount of clicking, typing, or
anything else would help.
I was just starting to panic when I realized I was clicking on the
SCREENSHOT I just ook, not the actual FF instance that was running... *blush
squared*
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Darren New wrote:
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> Or take a screen snapshot, make that the background, then minimize all
> the windows.
>
My absolute favorite is to create a folder named "porn" to the desktop
and do the same thing. It's impressive how many people noticing that
folder on someone's desktop try clicking it when they notice, even while
they shouldn't even access the computer anyways.
-Aero
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On 11/19/09 10:28, Darren New wrote:
> Or take a screen snapshot, make that the background, then minimize all
> the windows.
Heh heh. I've done that to others too. Lots of fun to watch. Porn will
merely lead to them quickly changing the wallpaper. This one just confuses.
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Darren New wrote:
> Or take a screen snapshot, make that the background, then minimize all
> the windows.
>
Are you sure that this shouldn’t be in the “Reminiscences of an Old
Fart” thread?
I remember turning down the brilliance of someone’s oscilloscope then
unscrewing the “power on” bulb. Fun, fun, fun! :)
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One favourite that some people I've worked with liked to do with an
unlocked machine was to send an e-mail from the machine's owner to the
machine's owner (ie, if it was Joe Smith's machine, to send an e-mail to
Joe Smith from that machine's e-mail client, which was logged in as Joe
Smith) with something in it to the effect of "aren't you glad I didn't e-
mail your thoughts to the CEO?" - that really gets people's attention....
Jim
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Stefan Viljoen wrote:
> No matter what I did, FF was totally dead. No amount of clicking, typing, or
> anything else would help.
>
> I was just starting to panic when I realized I was clicking on the
> SCREENSHOT I just ook, not the actual FF instance that was running... *blush
> squared*
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
EPIC FAILURE.
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Stephen wrote:
> I remember turning down the brilliance of someone’s oscilloscope then
> unscrewing the “power on” bulb. Fun, fun, fun! :)
Wait - you've touched an *actual* oscilliscope?!
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Invisible wrote:
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> Wait - you've touched an *actual* oscilliscope?!
What's weird in that? I have one laying on my living room's table.
-Aero
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>> Wait - you've touched an *actual* oscilliscope?!
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> What's weird in that? I have one laying on my living room's table.
Last time I checked, such equipment costs thousands of pounds.
(Presumably because few people need to buy them...)
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
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> Last time I checked, such equipment costs thousands of pounds.
> (Presumably because few people need to buy them...)
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Well yes, the high-end ones, bought as new from the store. I paid 50
euros (or to be more precise, I got 50 euros less cash whem I received
it as a part of payment of a car I sold to my friend).
-Aero
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Last time I checked, such equipment costs thousands of pounds.
So does a decent computer. :-)
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Is God willing to prevent naglams, but unable?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing, to prevent naglams?
Then he is malevolent.
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Invisible wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
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>> I remember turning down the brilliance of someone’s oscilloscope then
>> unscrewing the “power on” bulb. Fun, fun, fun! :)
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> Wait - you've touched an *actual* oscilliscope?!
It was the main tool of my trade when I started working in electronics,
all those years ago. It was also useful for keeping sausage rolls warm,
as it was a valve job. :-)
They looked something like this
http://www.thevalvepage.com/testeq/tek/545a/545a.htm
--
Best Regards,
Stephen
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Wait - you've touched an *actual* oscilliscope?!
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>> What's weird in that? I have one laying on my living room's table.
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> Last time I checked, such equipment costs thousands of pounds.
> (Presumably because few people need to buy them...)
>
Had an old HP oscilliscope sitting in storage, think it was about $5 USD
when I got it. Scrap sales, surplus, and so on; universities get rid of
rid of stuff at auction around here. Lots of goodies, dirt cheap. Ya
don't have to be old to use old hardware.
Who ever I was storing it with tried to power it up, and threw it out
when it didn't work. Or sold it at a profit.
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:08:27 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Wait - you've touched an *actual* oscilliscope?!
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>> What's weird in that? I have one laying on my living room's table.
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> Last time I checked, such equipment costs thousands of pounds.
> (Presumably because few people need to buy them...)
2 minutes on Google found this:
http://www.allspectrum.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=28
So much for "thousands of pounds", HPS10 portable handheld oscilloscope,
on sale for $119,99.
Jim
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>> Last time I checked, such equipment costs thousands of pounds.
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> So does a decent computer. :-)
You must have a radically different idea of what a "decent" computer is
than I do. ;-) My PC was white hot when I made it, and that only cost me
£500. (Obviously it's nearly obsolete *now*... but back when it was new,
it was pretty hyped.)
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