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clipka wrote:
> Stefan Viljoen schrieb:
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>> Yes... again I must be clouded by my experience and what goes on here.
>> Our one nuclear plant had all its experienced operators fired a few years
>> ago and replaced with "affirmative" people - so I wouldn't be so sure. In
>> the first world, you're hopefully right.
>
> Uh... /very/ bad idea...
You don't say. Fortunately I live about 1300km from these reactors. And
UPWIND!
The thing is, the Koeberg Nuclear Power Station is very "Chernobyl-ly" if I
can call it that. It (like all SA power stations) runs flat-out ALL THE TIME
- if it is shut down for any reason, we usually have nationwide power cuts
and "load-shedding" to prevent our national grid imploding. So there is
intense pressure NEVER to shut it down, for any reason, even for absolutely
critical maintenance that could have an enormous safety impact.
And it is -old-, built in the late 1960's.
And it has quite incompetent operators / controllers. (And maintainers -
they once dropped a -wrench- into a turbo-generator there - can you believe
such incompetence around a device costing 10s of millions of dollars and of
national strategic importance? We had load-shedding for two weeks after
that!)
And it has managers more interested in affirmative action than safety.
:)
One of the joys of living here, I guess! I've personally seen affirmative
action with concomitant incompetence kill -many- people while still in the
fire services - but this one could be a REAL score for our government's
policy of "empowerment and affirmative action at ANY cost" - including
having a nuclear accident if that is what is "required" to have people of
the right ethnic background in responsible positions. So be it!
Unfortunately my mother lives quite close to this potential radiological
horror, and whenever I visit there I find myself checking each morning if I
can hear birds singing... If I can't, its probably too late to get the hell
out of Dodge anyway.
--
Stefan Viljoen
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clipka wrote:
> somebody schrieb:
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>> Can you imagine all the sudden productivity increase we would experience?
>> No cell phones, no youtube, no computer games, no pov-ray, no newsgroups!
>> With that kind of manpower available, we'd take no time reviving those
>> dormant technologies. Also, don't forget that much of that is still alive
>> in the third world to varying degrees.
>
> Would be an interesting twist: First world being thrown back behind the
> third world...
I really enjoyed V for Vendetta where "The Voice of London" talks about the
"degenerates of America." Kind of an "oh how the might have fallen" kind of
comment.
Imagine Sweden begging us for... erm... begging us for...
Nope sorry, I can't imagine the third world being able to offer any products
(except unrefined ores and some diamonds) to anybody.
Thing is, if this happens the first world will in short order start up
alternative technologies (like bringing steam power back) while the third
would will do what it always does - beg from and blame everything on the
First World.
--
Stefan Viljoen
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:37:59 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
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>>> Would be an interesting twist: First world being thrown back behind the
>>> third world...
>>
>> Where the hell is the *second* world, anyway??
>
> The USSR member nations and their allies, IIRC.
E. g. not quite as poor, and not constantly begging for handouts. And not
increasing in population as quickly. And not as corrupt.
--
Stefan Viljoen
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clipka wrote:
> Jim Henderson schrieb:
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>> China might be, The reference I found was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>> Second_World
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> Interesting...
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> /not/, even though at least the term "third world" is commonly used in
> Germany synonymously for "developing world" (which is how I have alway
> percieved it).
Tee hee hee - I've always loved that term "developing world".
--
Stefan Viljoen
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On 12-11-2009 14:58, John VanSickle wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> John VanSickle wrote:
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>>> The first one always has some bugs in it, often for its entire
>>> service life. Children are a good example of this.
>>
>> ...WTF?! o_O
>
> You clearly don't have children.
I don't remember if his sister is older. If so, I am pretty sure he
thinks the second one has more bugs. If not, he might just feel offended. ;)
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andrel wrote:
> I don't remember if his sister is older.
No.
> If so, I am pretty sure he
> thinks the second one has more bugs. If not, he might just feel
> offended. ;)
I have written medical statements to say I'm defective. :-{
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On 12-11-2009 23:01, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> andrel wrote:
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>> I don't remember if his sister is older.
>
> No.
I don't?
>> If so, I am pretty sure he thinks the second one has more bugs. If
>> not, he might just feel offended. ;)
>
> I have written medical statements to say I'm defective. :-{
So, a nice example of John's theorem in that case.
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On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:05:16 +0200, Stefan Viljoen wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
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>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:37:59 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
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>>>> Would be an interesting twist: First world being thrown back behind
>>>> the third world...
>>>
>>> Where the hell is the *second* world, anyway??
>>
>> The USSR member nations and their allies, IIRC.
>
> E. g. not quite as poor, and not constantly begging for handouts. And
> not increasing in population as quickly. And not as corrupt.
Well, I think some of the third world countries might have something to
say about "constantly begging for handouts"....many of those countries
have deep pride and prefer to do it themselves - sometimes to their
detriment (like not exporting goods).
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> I was thinking more of the "Three Worlds Theory",
I thought that was an invention of Marx, so I'd guess it precedes
"Communism" per se, yes?
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:44:56 -0800, Darren New wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> I was thinking more of the "Three Worlds Theory",
>
> I thought that was an invention of Marx, so I'd guess it precedes
> "Communism" per se, yes?
Yeah, civics was never really my strong point... :-)
Jim
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