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From: Warp
Subject: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 7 Nov 2009 20:02:21
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Check the last parameter of this constructor:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/z9ah41zs(VS.80).aspx

  Two major problems:

1) A billionth of a second already has a well-established name: Nanosecond.
2) In reality that parameter represents microseconds.

  So yeah.

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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 7 Nov 2009 20:56:22
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Warp schrieb:
>   Check the last parameter of this constructor:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/z9ah41zs(VS.80).aspx
> 
>   Two major problems:
> 
> 1) A billionth of a second already has a well-established name: Nanosecond.
> 2) In reality that parameter represents microseconds.

1.5) In various non-English speaking cultures, "billion" may lead to 
confusion (see "Long and short scales" on Wikipedia). Nanoseconds, on 
the other hand, would be pretty clear for everyone.

Whichever programmer drafted up this interface, and whichever person had 
inspected it (if any), they obviously didn't have their brightest of 
days :-) (OTOH, you'd /hope/ so...)


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From: Captain Jack
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 9 Nov 2009 09:50:17
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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message 
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>  Check the last parameter of this constructor:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/z9ah41zs(VS.80).aspx
>
>  Two major problems:
>
> 1) A billionth of a second already has a well-established name: 
> Nanosecond.
> 2) In reality that parameter represents microseconds.
>
>  So yeah.
>
> -- 
>                                                          - Warp

Please... take a deep, cleansing breath... relax... there are many more 
changes coming... you must let go... you will be absorbed into the Microsoft 
collective... don't struggle, it'll only hurt more... there is peace and 
tranquility inside... it's all so clear to me, now...

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From: Le Forgeron
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 9 Nov 2009 10:32:37
Message: <4af83615$1@news.povray.org>
clipka a écrit :
> Warp schrieb:
>>   Check the last parameter of this constructor:
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/z9ah41zs(VS.80).aspx
>>
>>   Two major problems:
>>
>> 1) A billionth of a second already has a well-established name:
>> Nanosecond.
>> 2) In reality that parameter represents microseconds.
> 
> 1.5) In various non-English speaking cultures, "billion" may lead to
> confusion (see "Long and short scales" on Wikipedia). Nanoseconds, on
> the other hand, would be pretty clear for everyone.
> 

That's on purpose: MS values the american users more.

Their 1 bilisecondth is just the same as 1000 of mine!

On the other hand, I would be glad to report my time with a precision of
picosecond (excepted a 32 bits would make some time value unreachable, a
42 bits value would be fine... answering THE question: with which
precision, as a power of 1/2 of the second unit, should workers/slaves
report their time to their master ?)


Regarding that bilisecond being in fact microsecond, that's logical (for
US-MS !):

million, then billion, 10^3 more
milisecond, then bilisecond, 10^3 more too ( s/mil/bil/, same rule,
logical, therefore true! )

of course, realname of nanosecond should be trilisecond (like US
trillion is 10^3 billion)

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 9 Nov 2009 11:42:08
Message: <4af84660$1@news.povray.org>
Le_Forgeron wrote:
> Their 1 bilisecondth is just the same as 1000 of mine!

That's because Bill is 1000x times as awesome as you. ;-)

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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 9 Nov 2009 12:09:58
Message: <4af84ce6$1@news.povray.org>
Le_Forgeron schrieb:

> That's on purpose: MS values the american users more.
> 
> Their 1 bilisecondth is just the same as 1000 of mine!

LOL!


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 9 Nov 2009 14:11:04
Message: <4af86948@news.povray.org>
Le_Forgeron <lef### [at] freefr> wrote:
> million, then billion, 10^3 more
> milisecond, then bilisecond, 10^3 more too ( s/mil/bil/, same rule,
> logical, therefore true! )

  But if millisecond is one millionth of a second, how do they name one
thousandth of a second?

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 9 Nov 2009 14:11:38
Message: <4af86969@news.povray.org>
Captain Jack <Cap### [at] comcastnet> wrote:
> Please... take a deep, cleansing breath... relax... there are many more 
> changes coming... you must let go... you will be absorbed into the Microsoft 
> collective... don't struggle, it'll only hurt more... there is peace and 
> tranquility inside... it's all so clear to me, now...

  You will be assimilated. Sarcasm is futile.

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From: Captain Jack
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 9 Nov 2009 14:48:18
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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message 
news:4af86969@news.povray.org...
>
>  You will be assimilated. Sarcasm is futile.

But... but... sarcasm is my whole way of life! It's the language of my 
people... are they mad enough to swallow up an entire culture?

Aw, who am I kidding-- of course they are...

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From: Le Forgeron
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 9 Nov 2009 15:43:08
Message: <4af87edc$1@news.povray.org>
Le 09/11/2009 20:11, Warp nous fit lire :
> Le_Forgeron <lef### [at] freefr> wrote:
>> million, then billion, 10^3 more
>> milisecond, then bilisecond, 10^3 more too ( s/mil/bil/, same rule,
>> logical, therefore true! )
> 
>   But if millisecond is one millionth of a second, how do they name one
> thousandth of a second?
> 
milisecond is thousandth of second (notice the single l).
a lion is 10^3, so million is 10^6, billion 10^9 (for MS/US)

a isecond is 1 Hz (for other), so 1 milisecond is just 10^3 Hz... works
fine. No problem. Just be loony.
1 bilisecond = 1 bil-isecond = 10^6 Hz... see! I want to claim a patent now!


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 9 Nov 2009 16:56:59
Message: <4af8902b@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
>   You will be assimilated. Sarcasm is futile.

"Do you *have* a sarcasm sign?"

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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 9 Nov 2009 20:42:28
Message: <4af8c504$1@news.povray.org>
Le_Forgeron schrieb:

> 1 bilisecond = 1 bil-isecond = 10^6 Hz... see! I want to claim a patent now!

Is madness patentable? :-)


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 10 Nov 2009 05:22:44
Message: <4af93ef4$1@news.povray.org>
>> That's on purpose: MS values the american users more.
>>
>> Their 1 bilisecondth is just the same as 1000 of mine!

...and 0.02 cents will NEVER equal 0.02 dollars!


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 10 Nov 2009 05:23:22
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Warp wrote:

>   You will be assimilated. Sarcasm is futile.

Ah, sarcasm. Something America will apparently never understand...


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From: Tom Austin
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 10 Nov 2009 08:52:19
Message: <4af97013$1@news.povray.org>
clipka wrote:
> Le_Forgeron schrieb:
> 
>> 1 bilisecond = 1 bil-isecond = 10^6 Hz... see! I want to claim a 
>> patent now!
> 
> Is madness patentable? :-)

only if it produces a tangible result


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 10 Nov 2009 09:00:38
Message: <4af97206$1@news.povray.org>
>>> 1 bilisecond = 1 bil-isecond = 10^6 Hz... see! I want to claim a 
>>> patent now!
>>
>> Is madness patentable? :-)
> 
> only if it produces a tangible result

Madness?







THIS...







...IS...











SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!


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From: Captain Jack
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 10 Nov 2009 09:38:21
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> Warp wrote:
>
>>   You will be assimilated. Sarcasm is futile.
>
> Ah, sarcasm. Something America will apparently never understand...

I dunno... I think we get sarcasm pretty well. The subtleties of satire seem 
to be lost on us for the most part, though.

For most of my compatriots, it seems like we want our entertainment to be 
visceral, mostly consisting of explosions, cute young lasses, and beer.

Not necessarily on that order, mind...

:D


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 10 Nov 2009 10:29:24
Message: <4af986d4@news.povray.org>
>> Ah, sarcasm. Something America will apparently never understand...
> 
> I dunno... I think we get sarcasm pretty well.

It's strange, really. There are a lot of American films that are very 
funny. And yet, all the American people that I have personally 
interacted with don't seem to comprehend what "humour" actually is. 
Like, they literally can't comprehend jokes. They think you're being 
completely serious. It's really weird...


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From: Captain Jack
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 10 Nov 2009 10:53:16
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:4af986d4@news.povray.org...
>>> Ah, sarcasm. Something America will apparently never understand...
>>
>> I dunno... I think we get sarcasm pretty well.
>
> It's strange, really. There are a lot of American films that are very 
> funny. And yet, all the American people that I have personally interacted 
> with don't seem to comprehend what "humour" actually is. Like, they 
> literally can't comprehend jokes. They think you're being completely 
> serious. It's really weird...

My guess is that the problem's root is xenophobia coupled with 
provincialism, in a lot of cases. Culturally, we've got both pretty bad over 
here. I'm not sure what it stems from, since so many people come and go 
through here from everwhere.

The picture of the American tourist in another country speaking English 
(okay, well, what we call English, anyway) veeeeeeeery slowly so the other 
fella will understand him is, sadly, not a complete cartoon.

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 10 Nov 2009 11:38:41
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Captain Jack <Cap### [at] comcastnet> wrote:
> The picture of the American tourist in another country speaking English 
> (okay, well, what we call English, anyway) veeeeeeeery slowly so the other 
> fella will understand him is, sadly, not a complete cartoon.

  When I lived in Spain (long story), there was one store where the owner
always switched to an awkward form of speaking, using only infinitives and
simplifying to ridiculous levels, when she was speaking to me. This regardless
of me speaking back in perfect Spanish (at that point my Spanish was probably
better than the best she could ever speak).

  This was a source of amusement among my friends.

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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 10 Nov 2009 20:13:45
Message: <4afa0fc9$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
>   Check the last parameter of this constructor:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/z9ah41zs(VS.80).aspx
> 
>   Two major problems:
> 
> 1) A billionth of a second already has a well-established name: Nanosecond.
> 2) In reality that parameter represents microseconds.
> 
>   So yeah.
> 
Hmm. This explain why MS thinks that every OS they make is "faster", 
they are using something like the creationist argument that, "1,000 
years = 1 day", and applying it to computing time?

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     if version = "Vista" {
       call slow_by_half();
       call DRM_everything();
     }
     call functional_code();
   }
   else
     call crash_windows();
}

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From: scott
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 11 Nov 2009 03:32:19
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> It's strange, really. There are a lot of American films that are very 
> funny. And yet, all the American people that I have personally interacted 
> with don't seem to comprehend what "humour" actually is.

If you start trying to joke with the head of IT after shouting at him for 
breaking all your servers then no wonder he wasn't laughing :-)

Seriously though, how big a sample of the USA population do you have?  How 
random was it?


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 11 Nov 2009 04:44:22
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>> It's strange, really. There are a lot of American films that are very 
>> funny. And yet, all the American people that I have personally 
>> interacted with don't seem to comprehend what "humour" actually is.
> 
> If you start trying to joke with the head of IT after shouting at him 
> for breaking all your servers then no wonder he wasn't laughing :-)

Just stuff like you suggest that maybe instead of spending £35,000 a 
year on our Internet access, we should just use a piece of wet string. 
And the director of IT is like "what, how do you send IP data using wet 
string? I'm not sure I understand". (Whereas any intellligent person can 
see that I obviously wasn't serious about that...)

> Seriously though, how big a sample of the USA population do you have?  
> How random was it?

Some of our employees are apparently very, very random people.

Different kind of random though... Not the good kind.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 11 Nov 2009 04:50:46
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>>> It's strange, really. There are a lot of American films that are very 
>>> funny. And yet, all the American people that I have personally 
>>> interacted with don't seem to comprehend what "humour" actually is.
>>
>> If you start trying to joke with the head of IT after shouting at him for 
>> breaking all your servers then no wonder he wasn't laughing :-)
>
> Just stuff like you suggest that maybe instead of spending £35,000 a year 
> on our Internet access, we should just use a piece of wet string. And the 
> director of IT is like

I suspect that's more because he is DIRECTOR OF IT, and not because he is 
American.

Imagine picking 10 Directors of IT from 10 different countries, then picking 
10 completely random people from one country, which group is going to have 
the biggest variety?


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Microsoft knows its terminology...
Date: 11 Nov 2009 04:54:07
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>> Just stuff like you suggest that maybe instead of spending £35,000 a 
>> year on our Internet access, we should just use a piece of wet string. 
>> And the director of IT is like
> 
> I suspect that's more because he is DIRECTOR OF IT, and not because he 
> is American.
> 
> Imagine picking 10 Directors of IT from 10 different countries, then 
> picking 10 completely random people from one country, which group is 
> going to have the biggest variety?

Well, I guess the only Americans I am forced to interact with happen to 
be in upper management, so maybe it's that upper management has no sense 
of humour...

(Certainly not a problem I've seen with management in the UK though.)


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