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My intuos4 medium tablet finally came yesterday! It was a long wait. Why
is it that anticipation dilates time?
This tablet is awesome. It works very well with Gimp 2.6. No full
support for the touch ring though. Rotating and zooming can be
difficult, but that's what detachable menus are for :)
I managed to download Autodesk SketchBookExpress while having dinner at
a friend's house. You can rotate the canvas quite easily, which is good
for somebody like me who constantly turns a piece of paper while
drawing. It's a decent program, but not as good as Gimp.
Adobe Illustrator 9 also supports pressure sensitivity, which is a big plus.
Anyway, I said I would post some pics once my tablet came in, so here
are a few:
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq199/stbenge/char8.png?t=1257281871
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq199/stbenge/Gnome.jpg?t=1257282031
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq199/stbenge/char6.jpg?t=1257282108
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq199/stbenge/eye.jpg?t=1257282224
Thanks nemesis and Jim, for helping me make a good decision. It was not
a frivolous purchase ;)
Sam
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Just don't *swallow* the thing! o_O
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:14:33 -0800, stbenge wrote:
> My intuos4 medium tablet finally came yesterday! It was a long wait. Why
> is it that anticipation dilates time?
>
> This tablet is awesome. It works very well with Gimp 2.6. No full
> support for the touch ring though. Rotating and zooming can be
> difficult, but that's what detachable menus are for :)
>
> I managed to download Autodesk SketchBookExpress while having dinner at
> a friend's house. You can rotate the canvas quite easily, which is good
> for somebody like me who constantly turns a piece of paper while
> drawing. It's a decent program, but not as good as Gimp.
>
> Adobe Illustrator 9 also supports pressure sensitivity, which is a big
> plus.
>
> Anyway, I said I would post some pics once my tablet came in, so here
> are a few:
>
> http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq199/stbenge/char8.png?t=1257281871
> http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq199/stbenge/Gnome.jpg?t=1257282031
> http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq199/stbenge/char6.jpg?t=1257282108
> http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq199/stbenge/eye.jpg?t=1257282224
>
> Thanks nemesis and Jim, for helping me make a good decision. It was not
> a frivolous purchase ;)
>
> Sam
Very impressive pics. :-)
Jim
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Just don't *swallow* the thing! o_O
So I get a little excited sometimes...
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Very impressive pics. :-)
Thanks :)
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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:29:40 -0800, stbenge wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Very impressive pics. :-)
>
> Thanks :)
I wish I could draw like that - the eye pic is particularly impressive to
me.
Jim
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Jim Henderson schrieb:
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> Very impressive pics. :-)
>> Thanks :)
>
> I wish I could draw like that - the eye pic is particularly impressive to
> me.
Indeed. That would be quite exactly what I'd be aiming for, too - if I
had any talent and the necessary patience...
... so I rather wait hours for a 3D render to finish :-P
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hahaha, very good, man! Those are some stylish drawings in a short
time! shame I didn't see it before!
I knew you'd gonna love it!
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Just don't *swallow* the thing! o_O
*gulp*
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clipka wrote:
> Jim Henderson schrieb:
>
>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> Very impressive pics. :-)
>>> Thanks :)
>>
>> I wish I could draw like that - the eye pic is particularly impressive
>> to me.
>
> Indeed. That would be quite exactly what I'd be aiming for, too - if I
> had any talent and the necessary patience...
>
> ... so I rather wait hours for a 3D render to finish :-P
and what you do in the mean time? That's right! You draw... :)
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stbenge wrote:
> I managed to download Autodesk SketchBookExpress while having dinner at
> a friend's house. You can rotate the canvas quite easily, which is good
> for somebody like me who constantly turns a piece of paper while
> drawing.
BTW, yes, that's a common technique for getting precise curves.
Everybody has their best hand positioning for drawing precise curves.
Didn't thought of that with a tablet. It indeed feels a bit awkward to
not have this possibility in Gimp so far, but I've managed to simply do
everything on the wrist movement alone.
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nemesis schrieb:
>> Indeed. That would be quite exactly what I'd be aiming for, too - if I
>> had any talent and the necessary patience...
>>
>> ... so I rather wait hours for a 3D render to finish :-P
>
> and what you do in the mean time? That's right! You draw... :)
No, I write POV-Ray patches :-P
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nemesis wrote:
> hahaha, very good, man! Those are some stylish drawings in a short
> time! shame I didn't see it before!
Thanks!
> I knew you'd gonna love it!
Yeah, it's a great tool.
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nemesis wrote:
> stbenge wrote:
>> I managed to download Autodesk SketchBookExpress while having dinner
>> at a friend's house. You can rotate the canvas quite easily, which is
>> good for somebody like me who constantly turns a piece of paper while
>> drawing.
>
> BTW, yes, that's a common technique for getting precise curves.
> Everybody has their best hand positioning for drawing precise curves.
> Didn't thought of that with a tablet. It indeed feels a bit awkward to
> not have this possibility in Gimp so far, but I've managed to simply do
> everything on the wrist movement alone.
What I do is detach the Image> Transform menu to keep it around as a
rotate palette. You only get 90, 180, & 270 degrees, but it's enough :\
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stbenge wrote:
> Anyway, I said I would post some pics once my tablet came in, so here
> are a few:
>
> http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq199/stbenge/char8.png?t=1257281871
> http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq199/stbenge/Gnome.jpg?t=1257282031
> http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq199/stbenge/char6.jpg?t=1257282108
> http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq199/stbenge/eye.jpg?t=1257282224
An entire year of drawing classes, and I never once produced anything
approaching being this good. Kind of depressing, really. I guess I just
inherantly suck at drawing. :-(
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clipka escreveu:
> nemesis schrieb:
>
>>> Indeed. That would be quite exactly what I'd be aiming for, too - if
>>> I had any talent and the necessary patience...
>>>
>>> ... so I rather wait hours for a 3D render to finish :-P
>>
>> and what you do in the mean time? That's right! You draw... :)
>
> No, I write POV-Ray patches :-P
ah, yes, to each his own talent. :)
--
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clipka wrote:
> Indeed. That would be quite exactly what I'd be aiming for, too - if I
> had any talent and the necessary patience...
>
> ... so I rather wait hours for a 3D render to finish :-P
Some of us don't even have the talent to do that...
...so we perform numerical integration instead. ;-)
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Invisible escreveu:
> stbenge wrote:
>
>> Anyway, I said I would post some pics once my tablet came in, so here
>> are a few:
>>
>> http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq199/stbenge/char8.png?t=1257281871
>> http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq199/stbenge/Gnome.jpg?t=1257282031
>> http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq199/stbenge/char6.jpg?t=1257282108
>> http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq199/stbenge/eye.jpg?t=1257282224
>
> An entire year of drawing classes, and I never once produced anything
> approaching being this good. Kind of depressing, really. I guess I just
> inherantly suck at drawing. :-(
Well, everyone has a special talent: you have good math skills. My
skills at math and povray are kinda poor. Sam just beat both of us in
both drawing, math and povray! :D
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>> An entire year of drawing classes, and I never once produced anything
>> approaching being this good. Kind of depressing, really. I guess I
>> just inherantly suck at drawing. :-(
>
> Well, everyone has a special talent: you have good math skills.
I'm not sure where everybody gets this idea from. I have no idea how to
perform polynomial division, complete the square, factorise polynomials,
compute triangle angles or any number of other basic school-level math
tasks. (Not forgetting of course that I have *no idea* what 7 * 6 is
without getting out pencil and paper to calculate it.)
> Sam just beat both of us in both drawing, math and povray! :D
Heh. I'm used to being beaten. It's the story of my life...
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Invisible escreveu:
>>> An entire year of drawing classes, and I never once produced anything
>>> approaching being this good. Kind of depressing, really. I guess I
>>> just inherantly suck at drawing. :-(
>>
>> Well, everyone has a special talent: you have good math skills.
>
> I'm not sure where everybody gets this idea from. I have no idea how to
> perform polynomial division, complete the square, factorise polynomials,
> compute triangle angles or any number of other basic school-level math
> tasks. (Not forgetting of course that I have *no idea* what 7 * 6 is
> without getting out pencil and paper to calculate it.)
well, I thought your alias mathorchid and Haskell affinity would have
anything to do with it. Your fractal renderings too...
How are you supposed to know about basic school-level math stuff when
you didn't go to a normal school? And forget that, you're way past that
basic level, you're now an advanced math geek using computers to do the
low-level math glue code... :D
--
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>>> Well, everyone has a special talent: you have good math skills.
>>
>> I'm not sure where everybody gets this idea from. I have no idea how
>> to perform polynomial division, complete the square, factorise
>> polynomials, compute triangle angles or any number of other basic
>> school-level math tasks. (Not forgetting of course that I have *no
>> idea* what 7 * 6 is without getting out pencil and paper to calculate
>> it.)
>
> well, I thought your alias mathorchid and Haskell affinity would have
> anything to do with it. Your fractal renderings too...
Heh, well, perhaps. Still, you don't need to know any maths at all to
install and run FractInt.
> How are you supposed to know about basic school-level math stuff when
> you didn't go to a normal school?
That's about the size of it, really.
> And forget that, you're way past that
> basic level, you're now an advanced math geek using computers to do the
> low-level math glue code... :D
Haha, well maybe. It just seems like there's a whole crapload of math I
don't understand that everybody else does. But maybe that's just because
I'm surrounded by people way smarter than me...
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On 11/3/2009 3:14 PM, stbenge wrote:
> My intuos4 medium tablet finally came yesterday! It was a long wait. Why
> is it that anticipation dilates time?
>
> This tablet is awesome. It works very well with Gimp 2.6. No full
> support for the touch ring though. Rotating and zooming can be
> difficult, but that's what detachable menus are for :)
Excellent! Wacom makes a great tablet. I have a small intuos3 at home
The drawing area is about the size of a 4x6 card, but it doesn't
dominate the desk. I use mine mostly for photo retouching/clean-up, and
it works exceptionally well for me. I occasionally do some sketches, but
nothing on the level that you've demonstrated.
> Adobe Illustrator 9 also supports pressure sensitivity, which is a big
> plus.
I didn't know Illustrator was pressure sensitive. Cool ;)
> Anyway, I said I would post some pics once my tablet came in, so here
> are a few:
>
> http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq199/stbenge/char8.png?t=1257281871
> http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq199/stbenge/Gnome.jpg?t=1257282031
> http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq199/stbenge/char6.jpg?t=1257282108
> http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq199/stbenge/eye.jpg?t=1257282224
>
Nice drawings :) I used to draw quite well in HS, but it's been a long
time since I've done any serious drawing.
> Thanks nemesis and Jim, for helping me make a good decision. It was not
> a frivolous purchase ;)
A good tablet never is. I'm glad I have mine :)
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~Mike
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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:36:34 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>> And forget that, you're way past that basic level, you're now an
>> advanced math geek using computers to do the low-level math glue
>> code... :D
>
> Haha, well maybe. It just seems like there's a whole crapload of math I
> don't understand that everybody else does. But maybe that's just because
> I'm surrounded by people way smarter than me...
Well, story goes that Einstein sucked at maths as well....
Jim
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Mike Raiford wrote:
> Nice drawings :) I used to draw quite well in HS, but it's been a long
> time since I've done any serious drawing.
Thanks! The last "serious" drawing I made was for a fellow mineral hound:
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq199/stbenge/berylProspector_retouched.jpg?t=1257362210
Just pencil-on-paper and referenced from this photo of Prospector Gabby:
http://mentalfloss.cachefly.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/gabby.jpg
I thought it would be funny to show a miner holding an impossibly large
beryl crystal, but as it turns out, specimens of that size are
occasionally found :S
> On 11/3/2009 3:14 PM, stbenge wrote:
>> Thanks nemesis and Jim, for helping me make a good decision. It was not
>> a frivolous purchase ;)
>
> A good tablet never is. I'm glad I have mine :)
Last time I talked to my grandmother she asked if I was drawing much and
I said no... she sounded so let down. I realized that I should probably
keep my skills up. Buying the tablet was like investing in myself :)
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Invisible wrote:
> An entire year of drawing classes, and I never once produced anything
> approaching being this good. Kind of depressing, really. I guess I just
> inherantly suck at drawing. :-(
I guess I'll take that as a complement, as depressing as it sounds :(
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nemesis wrote:
> Well, everyone has a special talent: you have good math skills. My
> skills at math and povray are kinda poor. Sam just beat both of us in
> both drawing, math and povray! :D
My math isn't really all that great. I still can't add/subract most
fractions, and in school, I never even made it to algebra. I ended up
learning it by programming in QBasic. Over time I've found some tricks,
but show me an equation (like those you find at Wikipedia or
mathworld.wolfram) and I'm completely lost.
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stbenge escreveu:
> Mike Raiford wrote:
>> Nice drawings :) I used to draw quite well in HS, but it's been a long
>> time since I've done any serious drawing.
>
> Thanks! The last "serious" drawing I made was for a fellow mineral hound:
>
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq199/stbenge/berylProspector_retouched.jpg?t=1257362210
>
>
> Just pencil-on-paper and referenced from this photo of Prospector Gabby:
> http://mentalfloss.cachefly.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/gabby.jpg
>
> I thought it would be funny to show a miner holding an impossibly large
> beryl crystal, but as it turns out, specimens of that size are
> occasionally found :S
That drawing is so great! I like too how you replaced the gun for the
crystal, but I notice the shadow of the gun is still on his left hand.
:) Hope with Gimp Paint Shop brushes you may be able to do some nice
fine pencil sketching like that.
BTW, the tablet surface has some wonderful paper-like texture feel,
isn't it?
--
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nemesis wrote:
> stbenge escreveu:
>> Thanks! The last "serious" drawing I made was for a fellow mineral hound:
>>
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq199/stbenge/berylProspector_retouched.jpg?t=1257362210
>
> That drawing is so great! I like too how you replaced the gun for the
> crystal, but I notice the shadow of the gun is still on his left hand.
The crystal comes away from the hand towards the camera... I kept the
shadow of the gun and used it for the shadow of the crystal instead...
It's probably not accurate ;)
> :) Hope with *Gimp Paint Shop brushes you may be able to do some nice
> fine pencil sketching like that.
Yeah, I think I might try a geological diagram of eroded mountains soon.
That kind of sketching is nice for such things.
I was meaning to ask you, are the *GPS brushes an add-on for the Gimp?
If so, can you use them with Gimp 2.6? Or are the GPS brushes a whole
different version of the Gimp?
I like Gimp 2.6 for a few reasons, but it doesn't smear colors
correctly... It seems the developers might have broken the smear tool
when switching to the new color-handling scheme.
> BTW, the tablet surface has some wonderful paper-like texture feel,
> isn't it?
Yes, actually it does. It even sounds like drawing of fine paper.
I got to briefly play with a drawing tablet back in '99 or '00. Its
surface was too slick, and the report rate was *really* low. It was
lagging big-time. I'm glad tablets aren't like that anymore :)
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stbenge escreveu:
> nemesis wrote:
>> :) Hope with *Gimp Paint Shop brushes you may be able to do some nice
>> fine pencil sketching like that.
>
> Yeah, I think I might try a geological diagram of eroded mountains soon.
> That kind of sketching is nice for such things.
>
> I was meaning to ask you, are the *GPS brushes an add-on for the Gimp?
> If so, can you use them with Gimp 2.6? Or are the GPS brushes a whole
> different version of the Gimp?
It's a package containing a fine collection of brushes, patterns,
palletes and a few other goodies for the Gimp:
http://code.google.com/p/gps-gimp-paint-studio/
it's got a nice manual too. The spanish guy who created it is a fine
artist too.
Basically, it's just a zip and you copy its brushes, palletes and other
directories to the user gimp directories. Done.
> I like Gimp 2.6 for a few reasons, but it doesn't smear colors
> correctly... It seems the developers might have broken the smear tool
> when switching to the new color-handling scheme.
hmm, didn't notice it... :s
> I got to briefly play with a drawing tablet back in '99 or '00. Its
> surface was too slick, and the report rate was *really* low. It was
> lagging big-time. I'm glad tablets aren't like that anymore :)
a-ha, so that was your bias against it... :)
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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:02:17 -0200, nemesis wrote:
>> I like Gimp 2.6 for a few reasons, but it doesn't smear colors
>> correctly... It seems the developers might have broken the smear tool
>> when switching to the new color-handling scheme.
>
> hmm, didn't notice it... :s
Hmm, I didn't really either - I do occasionally play with the smear tool
just for fun and it seems to work OK for me.
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:02:17 -0200, nemesis wrote:
>
>>> I like Gimp 2.6 for a few reasons, but it doesn't smear colors
>>> correctly... It seems the developers might have broken the smear tool
>>> when switching to the new color-handling scheme.
>> hmm, didn't notice it... :s
>
> Hmm, I didn't really either - I do occasionally play with the smear tool
> just for fun and it seems to work OK for me.
Everything's great when smearing high-contrast areas, but when you want
to smear, say, two dark shadowed areas, the tool stops working
completely :( I might have to make a bug report...
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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:35:10 -0800, stbenge wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:02:17 -0200, nemesis wrote:
>>
>>>> I like Gimp 2.6 for a few reasons, but it doesn't smear colors
>>>> correctly... It seems the developers might have broken the smear tool
>>>> when switching to the new color-handling scheme.
>>> hmm, didn't notice it... :s
>>
>> Hmm, I didn't really either - I do occasionally play with the smear
>> tool just for fun and it seems to work OK for me.
>
> Everything's great when smearing high-contrast areas, but when you want
> to smear, say, two dark shadowed areas, the tool stops working
> completely :( I might have to make a bug report...
Interesting, I'll have to look at that myself.
Jim
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stbenge <UN### [at] hotmail com> wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
> > On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:02:17 -0200, nemesis wrote:
> >
> >>> I like Gimp 2.6 for a few reasons, but it doesn't smear colors
> >>> correctly... It seems the developers might have broken the smear tool
> >>> when switching to the new color-handling scheme.
> >> hmm, didn't notice it... :s
> >
> > Hmm, I didn't really either - I do occasionally play with the smear tool
> > just for fun and it seems to work OK for me.
>
> Everything's great when smearing high-contrast areas, but when you want
> to smear, say, two dark shadowed areas, the tool stops working
> completely :( I might have to make a bug report...
do you have your opacity setting for the tool ok? Its mode? (sometimes I have
multiply on and nothing seems to work) how about brush dynamics?
I just filled a layer with a dark pattern and it seemed to work with varying
degrees of opacity and rate...
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nemesis wrote:
> stbenge <UN### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> Everything's great when smearing high-contrast areas, but when you want
>> to smear, say, two dark shadowed areas, the tool stops working
>> completely :( I might have to make a bug report...
>
> I just filled a layer with a dark pattern and it seemed to work with varying
> degrees of opacity and rate...
This is another bug that seems to occur exactly when I don't want it to.
As in everything is working fine now that I want to produce an example :/
Every time it happens I make sure to try all the options to fix the
problem, but nothing usually works. I even tried a side-by-side
comparison between 2.2 and 2.6. Version 2.6 definitely seemed "broken"
somehow.
But today, everything seems all right...
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