POV-Ray : Newsgroups : povray.off-topic : Lies, damn lies and statistics Server Time
13 Oct 2026 14:47:38 EDT (-0400)
  Lies, damn lies and statistics (Message 19 to 68 of 68)  
<<< Previous 18 Messages Goto Initial 50 Messages
From: TC
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 05:53:08
Message: <4af00b94$1@news.povray.org>
The song "May it be" (LOTR, part 1) is sung by Enya. If you own the standard 
edition DVD LOTR 1 the clip is included. Unfortunately the clip is missing 
on the special extended DVD.


Post a reply to this message

From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 06:06:09
Message: <4af00ea1$1@news.povray.org>
clipka wrote:

> Then for certain I /have/ heard something from her...

ergo
oceanus, maritimus,
opacare, matutinus,
septentrio, meridies,
occidens et orientis,
ergo
radius solis
et umbra,
ignis, aqua,
caelum, luna,
terra, stella,
hierns et aestas,
autumnus et
tempus vernum...


Post a reply to this message

From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 11:31:04
Message: <4af05ac8$1@news.povray.org>
clipka wrote:
> Then for certain I /have/ heard something from her...

I once listened to a song of hers eight or ten times in a row trying to 
figure out the words. Then I gave up and dug out the liner notes, which were 
written in a handwriting so crabbed it was illegible.  So then I looked it 
up online, to discover it's in Gaelic.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".


Post a reply to this message

From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 11:35:54
Message: <4af05bea@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:

> I once listened to a song of hers eight or ten times in a row trying to 
> figure out the words.

I can see where this is going...

> Then I gave up and dug out the liner notes, which 
> were written in a handwriting so crabbed it was illegible.

Haha, yes, she likes to do that.

> So then I looked it up online, to discover it's in Gaelic.

...yeah, I had a feeling this is where we'd end up. ;-)

She sings in a lot of pretty random languages.


Post a reply to this message

From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 12:58:22
Message: <4af06f3e@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:31:00 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> So then I
> looked it up online, to discover it's in Gaelic.

Yeah, that's one thing I like about her music. :-)

Jim


Post a reply to this message

From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 12:58:45
Message: <4af06f55$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:35:50 +0000, Invisible wrote:

> She sings in a lot of pretty random languages.

English, Gaelic, and Latin IIRC.  That's pretty much it.

Jim


Post a reply to this message

From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 12:59:46
Message: <4af06f92$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:25:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
> 
>> It's kinda like the "6 degrees" game.  You could probably do the same
>> with music influences to JS Bach. :-)
>> 
>> Jim
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00nf3kr
> 
> Pete Townshend talks about the influence on his songwriting of composer
> Henry Purcell.
> 
> Unavailable after 13:30 GMT. :(

That's a problem, then, just getting to this now. :-(

Jim


Post a reply to this message

From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 13:56:55
Message: <4af07cf7$1@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:25:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> 
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>
>>
>>> It's kinda like the "6 degrees" game.  You could probably do the same
>>> with music influences to JS Bach. :-)
>>>
>>> Jim
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00nf3kr
>>
>> Pete Townshend talks about the influence on his songwriting of composer
>> Henry Purcell.
>>
>> Unavailable after 13:30 GMT. :(
> 
> That's a problem, then, just getting to this now. :-(
> 
> Jim

Gone! And never called me mother!

-- 

Best Regards,
	Stephen


Post a reply to this message

From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 15:00:23
Message: <4af08bd7$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:56:57 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> Gone! And never called me mother!

Such a shame!

Jim


Post a reply to this message

From: andrel
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 15:04:54
Message: <4AF08CE5.1000208@hotmail.com>
On 3-11-2009 18:58, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:35:50 +0000, Invisible wrote:
> 
>> She sings in a lot of pretty random languages.
> 
> English, Gaelic, and Latin IIRC.  That's pretty much it.

Neither of those is random. Gaelic spoken at home, English at school, 
and Latin in church. (at least I think that would be rather likely).


Post a reply to this message

From: andrel
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 15:05:52
Message: <4AF08D20.5050006@hotmail.com>
On 2-11-2009 23:56, Darren New wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> Why don't you try youtube and don't tell anybody I suggested that.
> 
> Why do you say don't tell anybody?
> 
Because it is rather likely that you will find an illegal upload?


Post a reply to this message

From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 15:21:05
Message: <4af090b1$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:04:53 +0100, andrel wrote:

> On 3-11-2009 18:58, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:35:50 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>> 
>>> She sings in a lot of pretty random languages.
>> 
>> English, Gaelic, and Latin IIRC.  That's pretty much it.
> 
> Neither of those is random. Gaelic spoken at home, English at school,
> and Latin in church. (at least I think that would be rather likely).

Yeah, I wouldn't have categorized them as "random" either.

Jim


Post a reply to this message

From: Tim Cook
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 15:23:08
Message: <4af0912c@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:35:50 +0000, Invisible wrote:
> 
>> She sings in a lot of pretty random languages.
> 
> English, Gaelic, and Latin IIRC.  That's pretty much it.

Also Japanese, Quenya, Spanish, Loxian, Welsh.

And she's awful purty--even being 48.  (Must admit to always having had 
a bit of a crush on her *blush*)

--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.freesitespace.net


Post a reply to this message

From: andrel
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 15:29:50
Message: <4AF092BD.1050105@hotmail.com>
On 3-11-2009 19:56, Stephen wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:25:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> It's kinda like the "6 degrees" game.  You could probably do the same
>>>> with music influences to JS Bach. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00nf3kr
>>>
>>> Pete Townshend talks about the influence on his songwriting of composer
>>> Henry Purcell.
>>>
>>> Unavailable after 13:30 GMT. :(
>>
>> That's a problem, then, just getting to this now. :-(
>>
>> Jim
> 
> Gone! And never called me mother!
> 
How should I parse that?

1) never called me 'mother'!
2) never called me. Mother!
3) never called my mother!

And what does it mean?


Post a reply to this message

From: andrel
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 15:52:19
Message: <4AF09802.1030801@hotmail.com>
On 3-11-2009 21:23, Tim Cook wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:35:50 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>>
>>> She sings in a lot of pretty random languages.
>>
>> English, Gaelic, and Latin IIRC.  That's pretty much it.
> 
> Also Japanese, 
Didn't know that. Ok I must admit I listened more to her sisters.
> Quenya,

what? of to google... Ah, didn't know that. Hmm, no google preferences 
settings for this, while we do have Klingon? Someone does not have 
enough free time.

> Spanish,
Din't know that.
> Loxian,
What? otg... Ok I think that I couldn't have known that one
> Welsh.
why not

> And she's awful purty

otg... Ok, learned a new word today, metathesis.

> --even being 48.

hey, I am 47 and still... nevermind.

>  (Must admit to always having had a bit of a crush on her *blush*)

Do we need a comma between her and *blush*? What does the language 
police thinks about that?


Post a reply to this message

From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 15:54:50
Message: <4af0989a$1@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:56:57 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> 
>> Gone! And never called me mother!
> 
> Such a shame!
> 
> Jim

:(

-- 

Best Regards,
	Stephen


Post a reply to this message

From: andrel
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 16:01:24
Message: <4AF09A23.40303@hotmail.com>
On 2-11-2009 20:48, andrel wrote:
> On 2-11-2009 20:19, clipka wrote:
>> Bill Pragnell schrieb:
>>> clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
>>>> I don't know Enya (or, well, maybe I just don't know the name), but if
>>>> bears /any/ resemblance to music from Clannad
>>>
>>> Vocally, a lot. She was with Clannad in their early days - she's a 
>>> Brennan.
>>
>> Ah! then maybe I've even heard something of her. And if not, then I 
>> probably should.
> 
> I think 'Orinoco flow' may be the most well known song by her. Why don't 
> you try youtube and don't tell anybody I suggested that.

A very probable legal version is at her own site 
http://www.enya.com/videos.php?vid=m

Sounds a bit different than the one I have on CD, though on relistening 
that version the difference is less that I initially though. Perhaps 
that is partly because I also sometimes listen to the Celtic Woman version?

Reminds me of something weird (at least to me). I recently rebought 
Kate & Anna McGarrigle I had it before and played it a lot but it was 
left with my ex girlfriend (almost 16 years ago). When listening I 
recognized the songs but had the feeling almost all arrangements were 
different. Normally I remember almost every note and every scratch.


Post a reply to this message

From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 16:02:51
Message: <4af09a7b$1@news.povray.org>
andrel wrote:
> On 3-11-2009 19:56, Stephen wrote:
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:25:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It's kinda like the "6 degrees" game.  You could probably do the same
>>>>> with music influences to JS Bach. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00nf3kr
>>>>
>>>> Pete Townshend talks about the influence on his songwriting of composer
>>>> Henry Purcell.
>>>>
>>>> Unavailable after 13:30 GMT. :(
>>>
>>> That's a problem, then, just getting to this now. :-(
>>>
>>> Jim
>>
>> Gone! And never called me mother!
>>
> How should I parse that?
> 
> 1) never called me 'mother'!
> 2) never called me. Mother!
> 3) never called my mother!
> 
> And what does it mean?

The lady’s son died before he knew that she was his mother. (Alcoholic 
poising IIRC) So number 1 is correct.
It is from the play of “East Lynne” a sensation novel by Mrs Henry Wood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Lynne


-- 

Best Regards,
	Stephen


Post a reply to this message

From: andrel
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 16:18:37
Message: <4AF09E2C.8060101@hotmail.com>
On 3-11-2009 22:02, Stephen wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> On 3-11-2009 19:56, Stephen wrote:
>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:25:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's kinda like the "6 degrees" game.  You could probably do the same
>>>>>> with music influences to JS Bach. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00nf3kr
>>>>>
>>>>> Pete Townshend talks about the influence on his songwriting of 
>>>>> composer
>>>>> Henry Purcell.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unavailable after 13:30 GMT. :(
>>>>
>>>> That's a problem, then, just getting to this now. :-(
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>
>>> Gone! And never called me mother!
>>>
>> How should I parse that?
>>
>> 1) never called me 'mother'!
>> 2) never called me. Mother!
>> 3) never called my mother!
>>
>> And what does it mean?
> 
> The lady’s son died before he knew that she was his mother. (Alcoholic 
> poising IIRC) So number 1 is correct.
> It is from the play of “East Lynne” a sensation novel by Mrs Henry Wood.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Lynne

Today I had a recurring discussion about the use of English in science. 
Someone had submitted a manuscript for correction to a native speaker. A 
number of the suggested corrections were good English but incorrect 
scientific/international English. Which reminded me that sometimes at 
conferences I have trouble understanding some Brits that wrongly assume 
that English is the language of the conference and that therefore can 
use any expression that they know. This would be a typical example.

BTW how did Ellen become Henri?


Post a reply to this message

From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 16:23:06
Message: <4af09f3a$1@news.povray.org>
andrel wrote:
> On 2-11-2009 23:56, Darren New wrote:
>> andrel wrote:
>>> Why don't you try youtube and don't tell anybody I suggested that.
>>
>> Why do you say don't tell anybody?
>>
> Because it is rather likely that you will find an illegal upload?

Most of the rock videos out there are actually legal. YouTube makes a lot of 
deals.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".


Post a reply to this message

From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 16:30:20
Message: <4af0a0ec$1@news.povray.org>
> Most of the rock videos out there are actually legal. YouTube makes a 
> lot of deals.

Wait - YouTube has *legal* stuff on it as well now?? O_O

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


Post a reply to this message

From: andrel
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 16:31:10
Message: <4AF0A11D.5030109@hotmail.com>
On 3-11-2009 22:23, Darren New wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> On 2-11-2009 23:56, Darren New wrote:
>>> andrel wrote:
>>>> Why don't you try youtube and don't tell anybody I suggested that.
>>>
>>> Why do you say don't tell anybody?
>>>
>> Because it is rather likely that you will find an illegal upload?
> 
> Most of the rock videos out there are actually legal. YouTube makes a 
> lot of deals.
> 
Sure, but how can you know?
None of the first few hits seem to come from Enya herself or a publisher.


Post a reply to this message

From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 16:32:04
Message: <4af0a154$1@news.povray.org>
andrel wrote:

> hey, I am 47 and still... nevermind.

LOL! Nice one...

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


Post a reply to this message

From: andrel
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 16:34:35
Message: <4AF0A1EA.3020402@hotmail.com>
On 3-11-2009 22:30, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> Most of the rock videos out there are actually legal. YouTube makes a 
>> lot of deals.
> 
> Wait - YouTube has *legal* stuff on it as well now?? O_O
> 
It was always possible to upload legal stuff. E.g. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btVGCqpIoyk&fmt=22 is probably legal as 
it was made entirely be the author (ok we have only his word for it).

But your reaction sort of supports my point, thanks.


Post a reply to this message

From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 16:41:13
Message: <4af0a379$1@news.povray.org>
>> Wait - YouTube has *legal* stuff on it as well now?? O_O
>>
> It was always possible to upload legal stuff.

Well, yes, I'm sure all those videos of "hey I filmed this dude totally 
trip over a banana skin with my camera phone" are probably legal. (I.e., 
the videos that no sane person would watch.)

> But your reaction sort of supports my point, thanks.

Heh. The videos of "hey I filmed this concert I went to" are presumably 
*not* legal... And then there's the fact that just about every movie 
ever made can be found on YouTube somewhere. And then we get to Why is 
the Rum Gone? and it's ilk...

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


Post a reply to this message

From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 17:03:10
Message: <4af0a89e$1@news.povray.org>
andrel wrote:
> Sure, but how can you know?

You can't. That's what sucks about the Bourne convention.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".


Post a reply to this message

From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 17:11:38
Message: <4af0aa9a$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:03:09 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> andrel wrote:
>> Sure, but how can you know?
> 
> You can't. That's what sucks about the Bourne convention.

<insert witty comment about Jason Bourne here>

Jim


Post a reply to this message

From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 17:14:10
Message: <4af0ab32$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:23:02 -0500, Tim Cook wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:35:50 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>> 
>>> She sings in a lot of pretty random languages.
>> 
>> English, Gaelic, and Latin IIRC.  That's pretty much it.
> 
> Also Japanese, Quenya, Spanish, Loxian, Welsh.

Japanese?  Quenya I knew, since I own that disc (and the films), but I 
didn't know about Spanish and Loxian (I don't even know where that is 
from - off to Google it - ah, and I have that album too).  But where does 
she use Japanese, Spanish, and Welsh?

> And she's awful purty--even being 48.  (Must admit to always having had
> a bit of a crush on her *blush*)


Post a reply to this message

From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 17:14:50
Message: <4af0ab5a$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:54:52 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:56:57 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>> 
>>> Gone! And never called me mother!
>> 
>> Such a shame!
>> 
>> Jim
> 
> :(

I'd try to make it up to ya, but I don't think it'd be appreciated. ;-)

Jim


Post a reply to this message

From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 20:07:27
Message: <4af0d3cf@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:03:09 -0800, Darren New wrote:
> 
>> andrel wrote:
>>> Sure, but how can you know?
>> You can't. That's what sucks about the Bourne convention.
> 
> <insert witty comment about Jason Bourne here>

Yeah. Berne. I knew it looked wrong.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".


Post a reply to this message

From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 4 Nov 2009 00:17:46
Message: <4af10e7a$1@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:54:52 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> 
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:56:57 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gone! And never called me mother!
>>> Such a shame!
>>>
>>> Jim
>> :(
> 
> I'd try to make it up to ya, but I don't think it'd be appreciated. ;-)
> 

:P
-- 

Best Regards,
	Stephen


Post a reply to this message

From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 4 Nov 2009 00:32:06
Message: <4af111d6$1@news.povray.org>
andrel wrote:
> On 3-11-2009 22:02, Stephen wrote:
>> andrel wrote:
>>> On 3-11-2009 19:56, Stephen wrote:
>>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:25:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's kinda like the "6 degrees" game.  You could probably do the 
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> with music influences to JS Bach. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00nf3kr
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pete Townshend talks about the influence on his songwriting of 
>>>>>> composer
>>>>>> Henry Purcell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unavailable after 13:30 GMT. :(
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a problem, then, just getting to this now. :-(
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> Gone! And never called me mother!
>>>>
>>> How should I parse that?
>>>
>>> 1) never called me 'mother'!
>>> 2) never called me. Mother!
>>> 3) never called my mother!
>>>
>>> And what does it mean?
>>
>> The lady’s son died before he knew that she was his mother. (Alcoholic 
>> poising IIRC) So number 1 is correct.
>> It is from the play of “East Lynne” a sensation novel by Mrs Henry Wood.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Lynne
> 
> Today I had a recurring discussion about the use of English in science. 
> Someone had submitted a manuscript for correction to a native speaker. A 
> number of the suggested corrections were good English but incorrect 
> scientific/international English. Which reminded me that sometimes at 
> conferences I have trouble understanding some Brits that wrongly assume 
> that English is the language of the conference and that therefore can 
> use any expression that they know. This would be a typical example.
> 

You have mentioned this one or two times before ;)
Because you are from the Lowlands every English speaker expects you to 
be fully fluent in several languages. (A complement BTW) But I’m sure 
that we won’t go to war over it (again :-P)

> BTW how did Ellen become Henri?

When Miss Ellen Price married Mr. Henry Wood she became known as Mrs. 
Henry Wood. This was the accepted practice in England in the early 19th 
century (and even later).
-- 

Best Regards,
	Stephen


Post a reply to this message

From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 4 Nov 2009 01:20:59
Message: <4af11d4b@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:07:24 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:03:09 -0800, Darren New wrote:
>> 
>>> andrel wrote:
>>>> Sure, but how can you know?
>>> You can't. That's what sucks about the Bourne convention.
>> 
>> <insert witty comment about Jason Bourne here>
> 
> Yeah. Berne. I knew it looked wrong.

LOL, I wasn't even commenting on that (I thought you had it right, it 
just struck me funny).

Jim


Post a reply to this message

From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 4 Nov 2009 01:21:22
Message: <4af11d62$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:17:48 +0000, Stephen wrote:

>> I'd try to make it up to ya, but I don't think it'd be appreciated. ;-)
>> 
>> 
> :P

I see that I was correct in that assessment. ;-)

Jim


Post a reply to this message

From: andrel
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 4 Nov 2009 01:44:16
Message: <4AF122BD.4080405@hotmail.com>
On 3-11-2009 23:03, Darren New wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> Sure, but how can you know?
> 
> You can't. That's what sucks about the Bourne convention.
> 
I assume they scan the database for illegal content every now and then. 
In that process they could add a flag if they recognize it as something 
that is allowed to be there. Perhaps even better, remove it and replace 
by a link to an officially uploaded video. What is the point of having 
10 'different' versions of the clip of Orinoco Flow?


Post a reply to this message

From: andrel
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 4 Nov 2009 01:49:00
Message: <4AF123D9.6040909@hotmail.com>
On 4-11-2009 6:32, Stephen wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> On 3-11-2009 22:02, Stephen wrote:
>>> andrel wrote:
>>>> On 3-11-2009 19:56, Stephen wrote:
>>>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:25:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's kinda like the "6 degrees" game.  You could probably do the 
>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>> with music influences to JS Bach. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00nf3kr
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pete Townshend talks about the influence on his songwriting of 
>>>>>>> composer
>>>>>>> Henry Purcell.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unavailable after 13:30 GMT. :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a problem, then, just getting to this now. :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> Gone! And never called me mother!
>>>>>
>>>> How should I parse that?
>>>>
>>>> 1) never called me 'mother'!
>>>> 2) never called me. Mother!
>>>> 3) never called my mother!
>>>>
>>>> And what does it mean?
>>>
>>> The lady’s son died before he knew that she was his mother. 
>>> (Alcoholic poising IIRC) So number 1 is correct.
>>> It is from the play of “East Lynne” a sensation novel by Mrs Henry Wood.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Lynne
>>
>> Today I had a recurring discussion about the use of English in 
>> science. Someone had submitted a manuscript for correction to a native 
>> speaker. A number of the suggested corrections were good English but 
>> incorrect scientific/international English. Which reminded me that 
>> sometimes at conferences I have trouble understanding some Brits that 
>> wrongly assume that English is the language of the conference and that 
>> therefore can use any expression that they know. This would be a 
>> typical example.
>>
> 
> You have mentioned this one or two times before ;)

I was afraid so. But if you knew that, why do you cite such obscure 
literature without a footnote in an international forum?

> Because you are from the Lowlands every English speaker expects you to 
> be fully fluent in several languages. (A complement BTW) But I’m sure 
> that we won’t go to war over it (again :-P)
> 
>> BTW how did Ellen become Henri?
> 
> When Miss Ellen Price married Mr. Henry Wood she became known as Mrs. 
> Henry Wood. This was the accepted practice in England in the early 19th 
> century (and even later).
It was just that I didn't see him mentioned in the wikipedia page, so 
how was I to know?


Post a reply to this message

From: Tim Cook
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 4 Nov 2009 02:24:57
Message: <4af12c49$1@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> Japanese?  Quenya I knew, since I own that disc (and the films), but I 
> didn't know about Spanish and Loxian (I don't even know where that is 
> from - off to Google it - ah, and I have that album too).  But where does 
> she use Japanese, Spanish, and Welsh?

Japanese - Sumiregusa, track 7 on A Day without Rain (originally used in 
a commercial for Fujitsu a year or so earlier iirc)
Spanish - La Soñadora, track 10 on The Memory of Trees
Welsh - Dan y Dŵr, track 14 on Enya/The Celts

--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.freesitespace.net


Post a reply to this message

From: Tim Cook
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 4 Nov 2009 04:11:48
Message: <4af14554@news.povray.org>
...and a bit of French in Only If... on Paint the Sky with Stars

--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.freesitespace.net


Post a reply to this message

From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 4 Nov 2009 07:20:40
Message: <4af17198$1@news.povray.org>
andrel wrote:

>>
>> You have mentioned this one or two times before ;)
> 
> I was afraid so. But if you knew that, why do you cite such obscure 
> literature without a footnote in an international forum?
> 

Sorry if I caused you any distress Andrel.
I wrote it because I was replying to Jim and this is Off Topic ;)
When I am at work and writing for my German and Dutch colleagues, I use 
clear English but in a social situation I don’t always. I actually 
thought that the phrase was quite well known but after doing a straw 
poll at work I stand corrected. The only person I asked who had heard it 
was the office cleaner and she has a degree in fine arts.
But look on the bright side your knowledge of English Victorian 
literature has increased and at the next garden party you attend you can 
astound all and sundry.


>>> BTW how did Ellen become Henri?
>>
>> When Miss Ellen Price married Mr. Henry Wood she became known as Mrs. 
>> Henry Wood. This was the accepted practice in England in the early 
>> 19th century (and even later).
> It was just that I didn't see him mentioned in the wikipedia page, so 
> how was I to know?

I was a bit surprised it wasn’t mentioned in Wikipedia, either. But that 
is Wikipedia for you. It is not the be all and end all :)
-- 

Best Regards,
	Stephen


Post a reply to this message

From: TC
Subject: Posh Office
Date: 4 Nov 2009 10:33:38
Message: <4af19ed2$1@news.povray.org>
> poll at work I stand corrected. The only person I asked who had heard it 
> was the office cleaner and she has a degree in fine arts.

Must be quite an office if the cleaning is seen as a fine art  ;-)


Post a reply to this message

From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Posh Office
Date: 4 Nov 2009 12:37:39
Message: <4af1bbe3@news.povray.org>
TC wrote:
>> poll at work I stand corrected. The only person I asked who had heard it 
>> was the office cleaner and she has a degree in fine arts.
> 
> Must be quite an office if the cleaning is seen as a fine art  ;-) 
> 
> 
> 
I think that Rubens would have thought so :)

-- 

Best Regards,
	Stephen


Post a reply to this message

From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 4 Nov 2009 14:07:49
Message: <4af1d105$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 02:24:56 -0500, Tim Cook wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Japanese?  Quenya I knew, since I own that disc (and the films), but I
>> didn't know about Spanish and Loxian (I don't even know where that is
>> from - off to Google it - ah, and I have that album too).  But where
>> does she use Japanese, Spanish, and Welsh?
> 
> Japanese - Sumiregusa, track 7 on A Day without Rain (originally used in
> a commercial for Fujitsu a year or so earlier iirc) Spanish - La
> Soñadora, track 10 on The Memory of Trees Welsh - Dan y Dŵr, track 14 on
> Enya/The Celts

Wow, now I need to go grab the discs (or the subsequently ripped MP3s) 
and have another listen.  Thanks!

Jim


Post a reply to this message

From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 4 Nov 2009 14:08:24
Message: <4af1d128$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:11:47 -0500, Tim Cook wrote:

> ...and a bit of French in Only If... on Paint the Sky with Stars

Hmmm, now there's an album of hers I don't have yet....

Jim


Post a reply to this message

From: Tim Cook
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 4 Nov 2009 15:39:43
Message: <4af1e68f@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:11:47 -0500, Tim Cook wrote:
>> ...and a bit of French in Only If... on Paint the Sky with Stars
> Hmmm, now there's an album of hers I don't have yet....

It was a compilation album, only having Only If... and Paint the Sky 
with Stars as songs that hadn't previously been on albums (though Only 
If... had been on a single).

There's about half a dozen or so songs she's done that are 'b-sides', as 
it were, appearing either only on a single or on different countries' 
versions of an album...you can fairly easily find them in torrents that 
contain (almost all of) her discography.  As specific variants of albums 
and singles are extremely difficult to find (and almost certainly not 
other than secondhand) most places, I don't see it as terribly bad, 
especially if you've already legitimately bought the albums to which you 
*do* have access.

--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.freesitespace.net


Post a reply to this message

From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 4 Nov 2009 16:41:09
Message: <4af1f4f5$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:39:41 -0500, Tim Cook wrote:

> It was a compilation album, only having Only If... and Paint the Sky
> with Stars as songs that hadn't previously been on albums (though Only
> If... had been on a single).

Interesting, I guess maybe I had seen one of these compilation albums a 
couple years ago and forgot it - but now you mention it, it does sound 
familiar.

I do own most of her albums, having gotten Amarintine last December as a 
gift.  The rest I collected over the years, I have two copies of The 
Celts, actually - two different releases.

Jim


Post a reply to this message

From: Chambers
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 4 Nov 2009 22:11:09
Message: <4af2424d$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> And then we get to Why is 
> the Rum Gone? and it's ilk...

Hey, I *liked* that one!

And mixes like that are actually legal.  Something about it being an 
artistic reinterpretation; a lot of rap artists got started doing 
similar things.

...Chambers


Post a reply to this message

From: Chambers
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 4 Nov 2009 22:17:00
Message: <4af243ac$1@news.povray.org>
andrel wrote:
> I assume

That's because you assume intelligence.

Unless they've changed their policy, then YouTube waits for someone 
(anyone!) to claim that your video impinges their copyright.  Once 
someone makes that claim, they remove your video and you are required to 
prove that you are legally entitled to post it before you're allowed to 
upload it again.

AFAIK, there is a very small burden of proof placed on the party 
claiming infringement.

...Chambers


Post a reply to this message

From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 5 Nov 2009 04:32:28
Message: <4af29bac@news.povray.org>
>>> ...and a bit of French in Only If... on Paint the Sky with Stars
>> Hmmm, now there's an album of hers I don't have yet....
> 
> It was a compilation album, only having Only If... and Paint the Sky 
> with Stars as songs that hadn't previously been on albums (though Only 
> If... had been on a single).

Indeed. And it's one of my favourit tracks on the album, as it happens.

I, however, own not only the album, but also the sheet music. ;-)

(It turns out most of Enya's music is based around trivial chord 
progressions and harmonies. It only actually sounds cool when Enya sings 
it.)


Post a reply to this message

From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 5 Nov 2009 04:33:38
Message: <4af29bf2$1@news.povray.org>
Chambers wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> And then we get to Why is the Rum Gone? and it's ilk...
> 
> Hey, I *liked* that one!

So did I. But I'm just saying it's highly, highly illegal.

> And mixes like that are actually legal.  Something about it being an 
> artistic reinterpretation; a lot of rap artists got started doing 
> similar things.

Heh, yeah *right*.

How much money do you think the person who made that has? How much money 
do you think Disney has? Hence: illegal.


Post a reply to this message

From: John VanSickle
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 5 Nov 2009 11:14:45
Message: <4af2f9f5$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> "Customers who bought Enya also bought:
> 
> - Enigma
> - Clannad
> - Dido
> - Madonna
> - Dire Straits
> - U2
> - Michael Jackson
> - Fleetwood Mac
> ..."
> 
> 
> The first couple of entries make sense. But... Dire Straits?! WTF? From 
> there on it just makes less and less sense. o_O

They were working through the alphabet.  They bought the Fleetwood Mac next.

Regards,
John


Post a reply to this message

<<< Previous 18 Messages Goto Initial 50 Messages

Copyright 2003-2023 Persistence of Vision Raytracer Pty. Ltd.