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From: Invisible
Subject: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 2 Nov 2009 06:41:17
Message: <4aeec55d$1@news.povray.org>
"Customers who bought Enya also bought:

- Enigma
- Clannad
- Dido
- Madonna
- Dire Straits
- U2
- Michael Jackson
- Fleetwood Mac
..."


The first couple of entries make sense. But... Dire Straits?! WTF? From 
there on it just makes less and less sense. o_O


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 2 Nov 2009 08:12:23
Message: <4aeedab7$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible schrieb:
> "Customers who bought Enya also bought:
> 
> - Enigma
> - Clannad
> - Dido
> - Madonna
> - Dire Straits
> - U2
> - Michael Jackson
> - Fleetwood Mac
> ..."
> 
> 
> The first couple of entries make sense. But... Dire Straits?! WTF? From 
> there on it just makes less and less sense. o_O

Why?

I don't know Enya (or, well, maybe I just don't know the name), but if 
bears /any/ resemblance to music from Clannad, then I know at least one 
Dire Straits album (actually the only Dire Straits album I know ;-)) 
they might enjoy as well, and Fleetwood Mac fits pretty well, too.

I'm just a bit puzzled about seeing Madonna and Michael Jackson named in 
the same list as Clannad, Dire Straits and Fleetwood Mac, so maybe I'm 
terribly wrong about Enya; but then I couldn't agree with your statement 
about the first couple of entries.


Also note that Clannad != Clannad, Fleetwood Mac != Fleetwood Mac (both 
changed their music significantly over time), and maybe also Dire 
Straits != Dire Straits (for instance the Dire Straits album I own 
features a Knopfler solo live performance CD, which I find much better - 
and a much better fit to Clannad and Fleetwood Mac besides - than the 
Dire Straits performances of the same pieces).


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From: TC
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 2 Nov 2009 08:19:28
Message: <4aeedc60$1@news.povray.org>
I own CD's from Enya, Clannad and other Celtic / Irish / Scottish stuff. 
Even had a tape from Andy Steward. Loreena McKennitt (Lady of Shallot, 
Portmore) is nice, too.

Nonetheless, when the mood takes me, I like to listen to Madonna, Dire 
Straits and (long ago) from Michael Jackson, too. Visage, Pet Shop Boys, the 
whole 80's stuff. Boney M (very long ago), Barclay James Harvest - all these 
brings fond memories. And when I still had a comparatively fast car: 
Steppenwolf  and Genesis rock at 140 mph ;-)

Nice to hear that other people have the same mixed taste as I have...

However, I abhor "classical" music - I really do. I find it lame and tame. 
Yes, I admit: ain't got no class, ain't got no style...

"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
news:4aeec55d$1@news.povray.org...
> "Customers who bought Enya also bought:
>
> - Enigma
> - Clannad
> - Dido
> - Madonna
> - Dire Straits
> - U2
> - Michael Jackson
> - Fleetwood Mac
> ..."
>
>
> The first couple of entries make sense. But... Dire Straits?! WTF? From 
> there on it just makes less and less sense. o_O


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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 2 Nov 2009 08:25:00
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clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> I don't know Enya (or, well, maybe I just don't know the name), but if
> bears /any/ resemblance to music from Clannad

Vocally, a lot. She was with Clannad in their early days - she's a Brennan.

I don't think there's anything strange about Dire Straits being in the list
either. Clannad and Straits are both significant presences on my shelves!


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 2 Nov 2009 12:06:28
Message: <4aef1194@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> "Customers who bought Enya also bought:

> - Enigma
> - Clannad
> - Dido
> - Madonna
> - Dire Straits
> - U2
> - Michael Jackson
> - Fleetwood Mac
> ..."

> The first couple of entries make sense. But... Dire Straits?! WTF? From 
> there on it just makes less and less sense. o_O

  You mean someone who buys Enya doesn't buy Dire Straits? Why not?

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 2 Nov 2009 14:19:07
Message: <4aef30ab$1@news.povray.org>
Bill Pragnell schrieb:
> clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
>> I don't know Enya (or, well, maybe I just don't know the name), but if
>> bears /any/ resemblance to music from Clannad
> 
> Vocally, a lot. She was with Clannad in their early days - she's a Brennan.

Ah! then maybe I've even heard something of her. And if not, then I 
probably should.


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 2 Nov 2009 14:48:55
Message: <4AEF37A6.60701@hotmail.com>
On 2-11-2009 20:19, clipka wrote:
> Bill Pragnell schrieb:
>> clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
>>> I don't know Enya (or, well, maybe I just don't know the name), but if
>>> bears /any/ resemblance to music from Clannad
>>
>> Vocally, a lot. She was with Clannad in their early days - she's a 
>> Brennan.
> 
> Ah! then maybe I've even heard something of her. And if not, then I 
> probably should.

I think 'Orinoco flow' may be the most well known song by her. Why don't 
you try youtube and don't tell anybody I suggested that.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 2 Nov 2009 15:00:31
Message: <4aef3a5f$1@news.povray.org>
TC wrote:
> I own CD's from Enya, Clannad and other Celtic / Irish / Scottish stuff. 
> Even had a tape from Andy Steward. 
> However, I abhor "classical" music - I really do. I find it lame and tame. 
> Yes, I admit: ain't got no class, ain't got no style...
> 

Figures :P

Oh! Campbeltown Loch, Ah wish ye were whisky!
Campbeltown Loch, Och Aye!
Campbeltown Loch, I wish ye were whisky!
Ah wid drink ye dry.
-

Best Regards,
	Stephen


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 2 Nov 2009 15:34:08
Message: <4aef4240$1@news.povray.org>
andrel wrote:

> I think 'Orinoco flow' may be the most well known song by her. Why don't 
> you try youtube and don't tell anybody I suggested that.

...or if you're watched the end credits to LotR...

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 2 Nov 2009 15:35:45
Message: <4aef42a1$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:

>   You mean someone who buys Enya doesn't buy Dire Straits? Why not?

Well, presumably people who aren't me have, you know, "normal" tastes in 
music. As in, they like one particular style and only listen to that.

Also, while I'm sure probably a lot of people who buy X also buy 
unrelated Y, there would have to be a hell of a lot of people buying 
*the same* unrelated Y for the statistics to pan out like this... which 
would be a really big coincidence.

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 2 Nov 2009 15:51:11
Message: <4AEF463D.90705@hotmail.com>
On 2-11-2009 21:35, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> 
>>   You mean someone who buys Enya doesn't buy Dire Straits? Why not?
> 
> Well, presumably people who aren't me have, you know, "normal" tastes in 
> music. As in, they like one particular style and only listen to that.
> 
> Also, while I'm sure probably a lot of people who buy X also buy 
> unrelated Y, there would have to be a hell of a lot of people buying 
> *the same* unrelated Y for the statistics to pan out like this... which 
> would be a really big coincidence.
> 
I think the statistics are that popular artists way outsell even 
slightly less popular artist. So irrespective of what moderately 
successful contemporary artist you pick, madonna and michael jackson 
will be bought by the same people.

Pick a relatively unknown group and even the group that half the members 
were in before that won't show up in the list.

If you pick an artisy from the 60s or 70s, people would have also bought 
the beatles and presley.

Both Enya and Dire Straights were refreshing in their days, so I am not 
surprised by the coincidence.


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 2 Nov 2009 16:00:00
Message: <4aef4850$1@news.povray.org>
>> Also, while I'm sure probably a lot of people who buy X also buy 
>> unrelated Y, there would have to be a hell of a lot of people buying 
>> *the same* unrelated Y for the statistics to pan out like this... 
>> which would be a really big coincidence.
>>
> I think the statistics are that popular artists way outsell even 
> slightly less popular artist. So irrespective of what moderately 
> successful contemporary artist you pick, madonna and michael jackson 
> will be bought by the same people.

Ah, the joy of statistics... so many different ways to analyse the same 
numbers. Heh. Well, it seems like a plausible answer anyway.

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 2 Nov 2009 16:46:24
Message: <4aef5330@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 schrieb:
> andrel wrote:
> 
>> I think 'Orinoco flow' may be the most well known song by her. Why 
>> don't you try youtube and don't tell anybody I suggested that.
> 
> ...or if you're watched the end credits to LotR...

Then for certain I /have/ heard something from her...


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 2 Nov 2009 17:39:26
Message: <4aef5f9e$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:41:16 +0000, Invisible wrote:

> The first couple of entries make sense. But... Dire Straits?! WTF? From
> there on it just makes less and less sense. o_O

If it's based on what people actually bought, there's no statistical 
analysis really, just what people bought.

But Enya used to be a part of Clannad, so people who like Enya tend to 
like Clannad - from there I could go into music by James Horner and from 
there to pretty much any genre I wanted to.

It's kinda like the "6 degrees" game.  You could probably do the same 
with music influences to JS Bach. :-)

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 2 Nov 2009 17:40:24
Message: <4aef5fd8$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:48:54 +0100, andrel wrote:

> I think 'Orinoco flow' may be the most well known song by her.

I prefer Book of Days myself, but I'd love to hear the original version 
(not the English version, which I do quite like).  Haven't been able to 
find it anywhere.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 2 Nov 2009 17:42:17
Message: <4aef6049$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:35:48 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> Well, presumably people who aren't me have, you know, "normal" tastes in
> music. As in, they like one particular style and only listen to that.

I find that most people have a broad range of styles they like.

If you looked at my music collection from 20 years ago, you'd probably 
never expect to find Queen or The Eagles in it, yet I've got both.  Most 
of what was in my collection at the time was classical composers.

The list of music I listen to at the gym is a mix of Bear McCreary and 
Queen.  The tempos just work right for me.

Jim


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 2 Nov 2009 17:56:44
Message: <4aef63ac@news.povray.org>
andrel wrote:
> Why don't you try youtube and don't tell anybody I suggested that.

Why do you say don't tell anybody?

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 2 Nov 2009 23:25:41
Message: <4aefb0c5$1@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:

> 
> It's kinda like the "6 degrees" game.  You could probably do the same 
> with music influences to JS Bach. :-)
> 
> Jim

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00nf3kr

Pete Townshend talks about the influence on his songwriting of composer 
Henry Purcell.

Unavailable after 13:30 GMT. :(


-- 

Best Regards,
	Stephen


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From: TC
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 05:53:08
Message: <4af00b94$1@news.povray.org>
The song "May it be" (LOTR, part 1) is sung by Enya. If you own the standard 
edition DVD LOTR 1 the clip is included. Unfortunately the clip is missing 
on the special extended DVD.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 06:06:09
Message: <4af00ea1$1@news.povray.org>
clipka wrote:

> Then for certain I /have/ heard something from her...

ergo
oceanus, maritimus,
opacare, matutinus,
septentrio, meridies,
occidens et orientis,
ergo
radius solis
et umbra,
ignis, aqua,
caelum, luna,
terra, stella,
hierns et aestas,
autumnus et
tempus vernum...


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 11:31:04
Message: <4af05ac8$1@news.povray.org>
clipka wrote:
> Then for certain I /have/ heard something from her...

I once listened to a song of hers eight or ten times in a row trying to 
figure out the words. Then I gave up and dug out the liner notes, which were 
written in a handwriting so crabbed it was illegible.  So then I looked it 
up online, to discover it's in Gaelic.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 11:35:54
Message: <4af05bea@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:

> I once listened to a song of hers eight or ten times in a row trying to 
> figure out the words.

I can see where this is going...

> Then I gave up and dug out the liner notes, which 
> were written in a handwriting so crabbed it was illegible.

Haha, yes, she likes to do that.

> So then I looked it up online, to discover it's in Gaelic.

...yeah, I had a feeling this is where we'd end up. ;-)

She sings in a lot of pretty random languages.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 12:58:22
Message: <4af06f3e@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:31:00 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> So then I
> looked it up online, to discover it's in Gaelic.

Yeah, that's one thing I like about her music. :-)

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 12:58:45
Message: <4af06f55$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:35:50 +0000, Invisible wrote:

> She sings in a lot of pretty random languages.

English, Gaelic, and Latin IIRC.  That's pretty much it.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 12:59:46
Message: <4af06f92$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:25:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
> 
>> It's kinda like the "6 degrees" game.  You could probably do the same
>> with music influences to JS Bach. :-)
>> 
>> Jim
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00nf3kr
> 
> Pete Townshend talks about the influence on his songwriting of composer
> Henry Purcell.
> 
> Unavailable after 13:30 GMT. :(

That's a problem, then, just getting to this now. :-(

Jim


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 13:56:55
Message: <4af07cf7$1@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:25:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> 
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>
>>
>>> It's kinda like the "6 degrees" game.  You could probably do the same
>>> with music influences to JS Bach. :-)
>>>
>>> Jim
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00nf3kr
>>
>> Pete Townshend talks about the influence on his songwriting of composer
>> Henry Purcell.
>>
>> Unavailable after 13:30 GMT. :(
> 
> That's a problem, then, just getting to this now. :-(
> 
> Jim

Gone! And never called me mother!

-- 

Best Regards,
	Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 15:00:23
Message: <4af08bd7$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:56:57 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> Gone! And never called me mother!

Such a shame!

Jim


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 15:04:54
Message: <4AF08CE5.1000208@hotmail.com>
On 3-11-2009 18:58, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:35:50 +0000, Invisible wrote:
> 
>> She sings in a lot of pretty random languages.
> 
> English, Gaelic, and Latin IIRC.  That's pretty much it.

Neither of those is random. Gaelic spoken at home, English at school, 
and Latin in church. (at least I think that would be rather likely).


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 15:05:52
Message: <4AF08D20.5050006@hotmail.com>
On 2-11-2009 23:56, Darren New wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> Why don't you try youtube and don't tell anybody I suggested that.
> 
> Why do you say don't tell anybody?
> 
Because it is rather likely that you will find an illegal upload?


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 15:21:05
Message: <4af090b1$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:04:53 +0100, andrel wrote:

> On 3-11-2009 18:58, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:35:50 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>> 
>>> She sings in a lot of pretty random languages.
>> 
>> English, Gaelic, and Latin IIRC.  That's pretty much it.
> 
> Neither of those is random. Gaelic spoken at home, English at school,
> and Latin in church. (at least I think that would be rather likely).

Yeah, I wouldn't have categorized them as "random" either.

Jim


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From: Tim Cook
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 15:23:08
Message: <4af0912c@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:35:50 +0000, Invisible wrote:
> 
>> She sings in a lot of pretty random languages.
> 
> English, Gaelic, and Latin IIRC.  That's pretty much it.

Also Japanese, Quenya, Spanish, Loxian, Welsh.

And she's awful purty--even being 48.  (Must admit to always having had 
a bit of a crush on her *blush*)

--
Tim Cook
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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 15:29:50
Message: <4AF092BD.1050105@hotmail.com>
On 3-11-2009 19:56, Stephen wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:25:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> It's kinda like the "6 degrees" game.  You could probably do the same
>>>> with music influences to JS Bach. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00nf3kr
>>>
>>> Pete Townshend talks about the influence on his songwriting of composer
>>> Henry Purcell.
>>>
>>> Unavailable after 13:30 GMT. :(
>>
>> That's a problem, then, just getting to this now. :-(
>>
>> Jim
> 
> Gone! And never called me mother!
> 
How should I parse that?

1) never called me 'mother'!
2) never called me. Mother!
3) never called my mother!

And what does it mean?


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 15:52:19
Message: <4AF09802.1030801@hotmail.com>
On 3-11-2009 21:23, Tim Cook wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:35:50 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>>
>>> She sings in a lot of pretty random languages.
>>
>> English, Gaelic, and Latin IIRC.  That's pretty much it.
> 
> Also Japanese, 
Didn't know that. Ok I must admit I listened more to her sisters.
> Quenya,

what? of to google... Ah, didn't know that. Hmm, no google preferences 
settings for this, while we do have Klingon? Someone does not have 
enough free time.

> Spanish,
Din't know that.
> Loxian,
What? otg... Ok I think that I couldn't have known that one
> Welsh.
why not

> And she's awful purty

otg... Ok, learned a new word today, metathesis.

> --even being 48.

hey, I am 47 and still... nevermind.

>  (Must admit to always having had a bit of a crush on her *blush*)

Do we need a comma between her and *blush*? What does the language 
police thinks about that?


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 15:54:50
Message: <4af0989a$1@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:56:57 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> 
>> Gone! And never called me mother!
> 
> Such a shame!
> 
> Jim

:(

-- 

Best Regards,
	Stephen


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 16:01:24
Message: <4AF09A23.40303@hotmail.com>
On 2-11-2009 20:48, andrel wrote:
> On 2-11-2009 20:19, clipka wrote:
>> Bill Pragnell schrieb:
>>> clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
>>>> I don't know Enya (or, well, maybe I just don't know the name), but if
>>>> bears /any/ resemblance to music from Clannad
>>>
>>> Vocally, a lot. She was with Clannad in their early days - she's a 
>>> Brennan.
>>
>> Ah! then maybe I've even heard something of her. And if not, then I 
>> probably should.
> 
> I think 'Orinoco flow' may be the most well known song by her. Why don't 
> you try youtube and don't tell anybody I suggested that.

A very probable legal version is at her own site 
http://www.enya.com/videos.php?vid=m

Sounds a bit different than the one I have on CD, though on relistening 
that version the difference is less that I initially though. Perhaps 
that is partly because I also sometimes listen to the Celtic Woman version?

Reminds me of something weird (at least to me). I recently rebought 
Kate & Anna McGarrigle I had it before and played it a lot but it was 
left with my ex girlfriend (almost 16 years ago). When listening I 
recognized the songs but had the feeling almost all arrangements were 
different. Normally I remember almost every note and every scratch.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 16:02:51
Message: <4af09a7b$1@news.povray.org>
andrel wrote:
> On 3-11-2009 19:56, Stephen wrote:
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:25:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It's kinda like the "6 degrees" game.  You could probably do the same
>>>>> with music influences to JS Bach. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00nf3kr
>>>>
>>>> Pete Townshend talks about the influence on his songwriting of composer
>>>> Henry Purcell.
>>>>
>>>> Unavailable after 13:30 GMT. :(
>>>
>>> That's a problem, then, just getting to this now. :-(
>>>
>>> Jim
>>
>> Gone! And never called me mother!
>>
> How should I parse that?
> 
> 1) never called me 'mother'!
> 2) never called me. Mother!
> 3) never called my mother!
> 
> And what does it mean?

The lady’s son died before he knew that she was his mother. (Alcoholic 
poising IIRC) So number 1 is correct.
It is from the play of “East Lynne” a sensation novel by Mrs Henry Wood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Lynne


-- 

Best Regards,
	Stephen


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 16:18:37
Message: <4AF09E2C.8060101@hotmail.com>
On 3-11-2009 22:02, Stephen wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> On 3-11-2009 19:56, Stephen wrote:
>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:25:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's kinda like the "6 degrees" game.  You could probably do the same
>>>>>> with music influences to JS Bach. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00nf3kr
>>>>>
>>>>> Pete Townshend talks about the influence on his songwriting of 
>>>>> composer
>>>>> Henry Purcell.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unavailable after 13:30 GMT. :(
>>>>
>>>> That's a problem, then, just getting to this now. :-(
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>
>>> Gone! And never called me mother!
>>>
>> How should I parse that?
>>
>> 1) never called me 'mother'!
>> 2) never called me. Mother!
>> 3) never called my mother!
>>
>> And what does it mean?
> 
> The lady’s son died before he knew that she was his mother. (Alcoholic 
> poising IIRC) So number 1 is correct.
> It is from the play of “East Lynne” a sensation novel by Mrs Henry Wood.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Lynne

Today I had a recurring discussion about the use of English in science. 
Someone had submitted a manuscript for correction to a native speaker. A 
number of the suggested corrections were good English but incorrect 
scientific/international English. Which reminded me that sometimes at 
conferences I have trouble understanding some Brits that wrongly assume 
that English is the language of the conference and that therefore can 
use any expression that they know. This would be a typical example.

BTW how did Ellen become Henri?


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 16:23:06
Message: <4af09f3a$1@news.povray.org>
andrel wrote:
> On 2-11-2009 23:56, Darren New wrote:
>> andrel wrote:
>>> Why don't you try youtube and don't tell anybody I suggested that.
>>
>> Why do you say don't tell anybody?
>>
> Because it is rather likely that you will find an illegal upload?

Most of the rock videos out there are actually legal. YouTube makes a lot of 
deals.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 16:30:20
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> Most of the rock videos out there are actually legal. YouTube makes a 
> lot of deals.

Wait - YouTube has *legal* stuff on it as well now?? O_O

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 16:31:10
Message: <4AF0A11D.5030109@hotmail.com>
On 3-11-2009 22:23, Darren New wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> On 2-11-2009 23:56, Darren New wrote:
>>> andrel wrote:
>>>> Why don't you try youtube and don't tell anybody I suggested that.
>>>
>>> Why do you say don't tell anybody?
>>>
>> Because it is rather likely that you will find an illegal upload?
> 
> Most of the rock videos out there are actually legal. YouTube makes a 
> lot of deals.
> 
Sure, but how can you know?
None of the first few hits seem to come from Enya herself or a publisher.


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 16:32:04
Message: <4af0a154$1@news.povray.org>
andrel wrote:

> hey, I am 47 and still... nevermind.

LOL! Nice one...

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 16:34:35
Message: <4AF0A1EA.3020402@hotmail.com>
On 3-11-2009 22:30, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> Most of the rock videos out there are actually legal. YouTube makes a 
>> lot of deals.
> 
> Wait - YouTube has *legal* stuff on it as well now?? O_O
> 
It was always possible to upload legal stuff. E.g. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btVGCqpIoyk&fmt=22 is probably legal as 
it was made entirely be the author (ok we have only his word for it).

But your reaction sort of supports my point, thanks.


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 16:41:13
Message: <4af0a379$1@news.povray.org>
>> Wait - YouTube has *legal* stuff on it as well now?? O_O
>>
> It was always possible to upload legal stuff.

Well, yes, I'm sure all those videos of "hey I filmed this dude totally 
trip over a banana skin with my camera phone" are probably legal. (I.e., 
the videos that no sane person would watch.)

> But your reaction sort of supports my point, thanks.

Heh. The videos of "hey I filmed this concert I went to" are presumably 
*not* legal... And then there's the fact that just about every movie 
ever made can be found on YouTube somewhere. And then we get to Why is 
the Rum Gone? and it's ilk...

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 17:03:10
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andrel wrote:
> Sure, but how can you know?

You can't. That's what sucks about the Bourne convention.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 17:11:38
Message: <4af0aa9a$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:03:09 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> andrel wrote:
>> Sure, but how can you know?
> 
> You can't. That's what sucks about the Bourne convention.

<insert witty comment about Jason Bourne here>

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 17:14:10
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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:23:02 -0500, Tim Cook wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:35:50 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>> 
>>> She sings in a lot of pretty random languages.
>> 
>> English, Gaelic, and Latin IIRC.  That's pretty much it.
> 
> Also Japanese, Quenya, Spanish, Loxian, Welsh.

Japanese?  Quenya I knew, since I own that disc (and the films), but I 
didn't know about Spanish and Loxian (I don't even know where that is 
from - off to Google it - ah, and I have that album too).  But where does 
she use Japanese, Spanish, and Welsh?

> And she's awful purty--even being 48.  (Must admit to always having had
> a bit of a crush on her *blush*)


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 17:14:50
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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:54:52 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:56:57 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>> 
>>> Gone! And never called me mother!
>> 
>> Such a shame!
>> 
>> Jim
> 
> :(

I'd try to make it up to ya, but I don't think it'd be appreciated. ;-)

Jim


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 3 Nov 2009 20:07:27
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:03:09 -0800, Darren New wrote:
> 
>> andrel wrote:
>>> Sure, but how can you know?
>> You can't. That's what sucks about the Bourne convention.
> 
> <insert witty comment about Jason Bourne here>

Yeah. Berne. I knew it looked wrong.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 4 Nov 2009 00:17:46
Message: <4af10e7a$1@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:54:52 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> 
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:56:57 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gone! And never called me mother!
>>> Such a shame!
>>>
>>> Jim
>> :(
> 
> I'd try to make it up to ya, but I don't think it'd be appreciated. ;-)
> 

:P
-- 

Best Regards,
	Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Lies, damn lies and statistics
Date: 4 Nov 2009 00:32:06
Message: <4af111d6$1@news.povray.org>
andrel wrote:
> On 3-11-2009 22:02, Stephen wrote:
>> andrel wrote:
>>> On 3-11-2009 19:56, Stephen wrote:
>>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:25:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's kinda like the "6 degrees" game.  You could probably do the 
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> with music influences to JS Bach. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00nf3kr
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pete Townshend talks about the influence on his songwriting of 
>>>>>> composer
>>>>>> Henry Purcell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unavailable after 13:30 GMT. :(
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a problem, then, just getting to this now. :-(
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> Gone! And never called me mother!
>>>>
>>> How should I parse that?
>>>
>>> 1) never called me 'mother'!
>>> 2) never called me. Mother!
>>> 3) never called my mother!
>>>
>>> And what does it mean?
>>
>> The lady’s son died before he knew that she was his mother. (Alcoholic 
>> poising IIRC) So number 1 is correct.
>> It is from the play of “East Lynne” a sensation novel by Mrs Henry Wood.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Lynne
> 
> Today I had a recurring discussion about the use of English in science. 
> Someone had submitted a manuscript for correction to a native speaker. A 
> number of the suggested corrections were good English but incorrect 
> scientific/international English. Which reminded me that sometimes at 
> conferences I have trouble understanding some Brits that wrongly assume 
> that English is the language of the conference and that therefore can 
> use any expression that they know. This would be a typical example.
> 

You have mentioned this one or two times before ;)
Because you are from the Lowlands every English speaker expects you to 
be fully fluent in several languages. (A complement BTW) But I’m sure 
that we won’t go to war over it (again :-P)

> BTW how did Ellen become Henri?

When Miss Ellen Price married Mr. Henry Wood she became known as Mrs. 
Henry Wood. This was the accepted practice in England in the early 19th 
century (and even later).
-- 

Best Regards,
	Stephen


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