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clipka <ano### [at] anonymous org> wrote:
> Warp schrieb:
> > I don't understand why linux would modify the frequency/timings of cpu and
> > memory, and even if it did, why it would have to modify BIOS to do that.
> > (What good would it do to modify BIOS anyways? It would have to re-boot in
> > order for the changes to become effective. BIOS is not something which is
> > constantly running in the background. It just sets up the hardware and starts
> > the OS and that's it.)
> Well, /nowadays/ that's how it is. Used to be different in DOS times.
DOS could change the CPU/memory frequency by modifying BIOS and without
having to reboot?
--
- Warp
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Warp schrieb:
>>> I don't understand why linux would modify the frequency/timings of cpu and
>>> memory, and even if it did, why it would have to modify BIOS to do that.
>>> (What good would it do to modify BIOS anyways? It would have to re-boot in
>>> order for the changes to become effective. BIOS is not something which is
>>> constantly running in the background. It just sets up the hardware and starts
>>> the OS and that's it.)
>
>> Well, /nowadays/ that's how it is. Used to be different in DOS times.
>
> DOS could change the CPU/memory frequency by modifying BIOS and without
> having to reboot?
No, but BIOS did more back then than just start the OS. For instance,
hard disk access or keyboard input would be handled by the BIOS.
Back then, the role of the BIOS was still closer to its name ("Basic
Input/Output System) than it is nowadays: It really did basic input and
output handling even while the OS was running, and was far from evolving
into a hardware configuration interface. (Remember how CPU and memory
frequency would be configured via hardware jumpers or DIP switches, port
I/O addresses would be jumpered on the /expansion card/ the ports were
on, etc?)
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> openSUSE 11.1 and 11.2 RC (which is in final testing now) should include
> ntfs-3g, so should be able to mount the NTFS partitions without a problem.
I have no problem using ntfs-3g and mounting NTFS drives RW from my OpenSuse
11 that I downloaded many months ago. I don't know it's on the live CD, but
it's definitely in the distro somewhere.
> With the live media, everything runs of the media - no need to perform an
> installation. The media is primarily to permit a user wanting to "test
> drive" Linux to see some of the features/functionality and to ensure
> system compatibility prior to installation.
Yeah, I learned that one the hard way. :-)
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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Warp wrote:
> I don't understand why linux would modify the frequency/timings of cpu and
> memory, and even if it did, why it would have to modify BIOS to do that.
Actually, during boot-up, something along the lines of "installing new
microcode" or "installing new firmware" or something like that scrolls by.
That always worried me, but I figured it either got reversed at the next
reboot or it was too late to do anything about it, and it never caused any
trouble.
I am curious what that's all about, tho.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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clipka wrote:
> Back then, the role of the BIOS was still closer to its name ("Basic
> Input/Output System) than it is nowadays: It really did basic input and
> output handling even while the OS was running,
That pretty much went away when OSes started running in real mode. By the
time you got away from 16-bit code, nobody used the BIOS for basic I/O any more.
But you knew that.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:17:49 +0100, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>
> Actually, during boot-up, something along the lines of "installing new
> microcode" or "installing new firmware" or something like that scrolls
> by. That always worried me, but I figured it either got reversed at the
> next reboot or it was too late to do anything about it, and it never
> caused any trouble.
>
> I am curious what that's all about, tho.
http://kerneltrap.org/node/2678
Typically, microcode updates are loaded by the BIOS, but not everyone
updates their BIOS when new microcode is released for their CPU.
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FE
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Fredrik Eriksson wrote:
> Typically, microcode updates are loaded by the BIOS, but not everyone
> updates their BIOS when new microcode is released for their CPU.
Thank you!
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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Darren New schrieb:
> That pretty much went away when OSes started running in real mode. By
> the time you got away from 16-bit code, nobody used the BIOS for basic
> I/O any more.
>
> But you knew that.
Indeed ;-)
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:16:20 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> openSUSE 11.1 and 11.2 RC (which is in final testing now) should
>> include ntfs-3g, so should be able to mount the NTFS partitions without
>> a problem.
>
> I have no problem using ntfs-3g and mounting NTFS drives RW from my
> OpenSuse 11 that I downloaded many months ago. I don't know it's on the
> live CD, but it's definitely in the distro somewhere.
Yeah, on my 11.1 box, I've a small Vista partition (came with the system
and I left it "just in case" I needed it for something, but shrunk it
down really small) and I noticed that the system mounts them at boot time
automatically. I'm kinda assuming with the live media it's there - would
make sense to me if it was, since one might want to use the software on
the disc to open doc files to check compatibility.
>> With the live media, everything runs of the media - no need to perform
>> an installation. The media is primarily to permit a user wanting to
>> "test drive" Linux to see some of the features/functionality and to
>> ensure system compatibility prior to installation.
>
> Yeah, I learned that one the hard way. :-)
:-)
Jim
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:43:48 +0000, Invisible wrote:
> TC wrote:
>
>> I did try the Ubuntu Live CD and it did reset my computer's clock to
>> either daylight saving time or universal time - both -1:00, so I cannot
>> be sure which.
>>
>> This is no real problem, though, merely a very minor annoyance. Still,
>> this should not be.
>
> The Linux Way(tm) seems to be to set the system clock to UTC and compute
> local time from that depending on your timezone configuration. (Which,
> on a live CD, is probably not set right anyway.) The Windows Way(tm) is
> to set the system clock to local time...
This is true - the *nix way (in general) is that the HW clock is set to
GMT and the OS calculates the offset. That may be what TC is seeing.
Jim
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