Warp wrote:
>   That's a double standard.

Protip:  we live in a world full of double standards.

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On 10/30/2009 6:46 AM, Invisible wrote:
>>> Naming your daughter Delilah is... hell, why not go the whole hog and
>>> name her "Satan" or something? :-P
>>
>> Apparently, some people have tried. I could not immediately find a
>> link to that particular incident, but these are somewhat related:
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6937327.stm
>
> Oh dear God help us all...
>
>>
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/01/13/2009-01-13_report_child_named_adolf_hitler_removed_.html
>
>
> ...my God, just when you thought it couldn't get worse...
>
> (Giving your child an unusual name is one thing. Pretending that a band
> of people didn't do something horrifyingly evil is another. And
> decorating your home with the bannar of said people is another thing
> again. WTF?)

What do you mean? Doesn't everyone have a swastika as part of their 
monogram printed on stationery?

Mike

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Neeum Zawan wrote:
> On 10/30/09 12:10, Darren New wrote:
>>> But seriously, from this distance it's impossible to tell whether the
>>> authorities did they because they don't like the beliefs of the
>>> family, or because the family has actually been doing something more
>>> serious.
>>
>> Well, the article claimed there were no reports of abuse or anything.
> 
>     How often is that the case when CPS is involved? 

I don't know. I'd guess it's not very common for CPS to get involved if 
nobody calls them to say there's a problem.

My sister-in-law works for CPS. I'll ask her when I see her how it works.

> That there were no 
> reports of abuse really does not tell us much about why they were taken 
> away.

They were taken away because they tried to register "Adolph Hitler Smith" 
for school, I'm guessing.

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On 11/01/09 12:04, Darren New wrote:
> Neeum Zawan wrote:
>> On 10/30/09 12:10, Darren New wrote:
>>>> But seriously, from this distance it's impossible to tell whether the
>>>> authorities did they because they don't like the beliefs of the
>>>> family, or because the family has actually been doing something more
>>>> serious.
>>>
>>> Well, the article claimed there were no reports of abuse or anything.
>>
>> How often is that the case when CPS is involved?
>
> I don't know. I'd guess it's not very common for CPS to get involved if
> nobody calls them to say there's a problem.
>
> My sister-in-law works for CPS. I'll ask her when I see her how it works.

	I think you missed my point (or I misread the article - too lazy to 
reread). CPS didn't say there had been no reports. The *police* said it. 
That doesn't mean that no one reported stuff to CPS.

	So my question was how often does that happen - where CPS are alerted 
but the police aren't (prior to CPS getting involved)?

>> That there were no reports of abuse really does not tell us much about
>> why they were taken away.
>
> They were taken away because they tried to register "Adolph Hitler
> Smith" for school, I'm guessing.

	Although I really hate the common bandying of the phrase, I feel it is 
appropriate here:

Correlation does not imply causation. (Although it wouldn't surprise me 
if that is the reason).

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=7071764

	Up till that point, CPS hadn't publicly commented. The father is 
certain it's because of the name, but at the end of the article he 
mentions that the state was relying on accusations made against him by a 
neighbor and an ex-wife of abuse.

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Neeum Zawan wrote:
> That doesn't mean that no one reported stuff to CPS.

Oh. OK.

>> They were taken away because they tried to register "Adolph Hitler
>> Smith" for school, I'm guessing.
> 
> Correlation does not imply causation. (Although it wouldn't surprise me 
> if that is the reason).

I just meant that it would have been the school who might have reported it 
to CPS, *if* it was the name causing the trouble. I'm pretty certain CPS 
doesn't just come into random homes and take kids away just in case, so 
someone must have said something.

> mentions that the state was relying on accusations made against him by a 
> neighbor and an ex-wife of abuse.

Could be.

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Tim Cook <z99### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> >   That's a double standard.

> Protip:  we live in a world full of double standards.

  That doesn't mean we should be happy about it, or stop thriving towards a
society with less of them.

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On 11/02/09 10:16, Darren New wrote:
>> Correlation does not imply causation. (Although it wouldn't surprise
>> me if that is the reason).
>
> I just meant that it would have been the school who might have reported
> it to CPS, *if* it was the name causing the trouble. I'm pretty certain
> CPS doesn't just come into random homes and take kids away just in case,
> so someone must have said something.

	I'm sure someone said something. The point of contention was whether 
that "something" was merely the name, or something worse.

	And it was related to a birthday cake at a store - not a school. In 
fact, they simply went to another store and got the cake made there.


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Invisible wrote:
> Which is odd really, considering that there are millions of people
> called Gemma (I've personally met at least a dozen of them), and nobody
> in history has ever been named Delilah (except in that song...)

You *always* do that. Generalize things you have seen with "that's how the 
entire world is".

If you've never seen X, then X doesn't exist anywhere in the world. Right.

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>> Which is odd really, considering that there are millions of people
>> called Gemma (I've personally met at least a dozen of them), and nobody
>> in history has ever been named Delilah (except in that song...)
> 
> You *always* do that. Generalize things you have seen with "that's how the 
> entire world is".
> 
> If you've never seen X, then X doesn't exist anywhere in the world. Right.

I was actually exaggerating slightly. I didn't mean that literally 
nobody in the history of the Earth has been called Delilah, merely that 
it's feakishly rare to have such a name.

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
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> 
> I was actually exaggerating slightly. I didn't mean that literally 
> nobody in the history of the Earth has been called Delilah, merely that 
> it's feakishly rare to have such a name.
> 


just having fun ;)

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	Stephen

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