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Wife's got an ipod, but it's fried or something. I can't read it anymore
on Linux. There must be something better out there, something I can drop
files into without some special software interface. Digicam works this way.
USB would be best. I've got a card-reader for digicam cards (xd, sd,
etc.), but my card-reader doesn't have slots for "mini" cards.
-Shay
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Shay wrote:
> Wife's got an ipod, but it's fried or something. I can't read it anymore
> on Linux. There must be something better out there, something I can drop
> files into without some special software interface. Digicam works this way.
>
> USB would be best. I've got a card-reader for digicam cards (xd, sd,
> etc.), but my card-reader doesn't have slots for "mini" cards.
The vast majority of modern MP3 players that I've seen use the USB mass
storage protocol - i.e., they show up like a normal USB flash drive or
external harddrive. But they can also play music. ;-)
Build quality varies widely though; to some extent you get what you pay
for, but beyond that I can't really make any recommendations. I'm happy
with my iAUDIO M5, but only once I replaced the manufacturer's buggy
firmware with RockBox - a slightly nontrivial undertaking.
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On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:59:33 -0500, Shay wrote:
> Wife's got an ipod, but it's fried or something. I can't read it anymore
> on Linux. There must be something better out there, something I can drop
> files into without some special software interface. Digicam works this
> way.
>
> USB would be best. I've got a card-reader for digicam cards (xd, sd,
> etc.), but my card-reader doesn't have slots for "mini" cards.
>
> -Shay
iPod + Rockbox.
Or really anything supported by Rockbox + Rockbox.
Jim
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Shay wrote:
> USB would be best.
Just google for what it supports. It's not too uncommon for a player to
support (say) CBR but not VBR, or only certain bit rates.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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Darren New wrote:
> Just google for what it supports. It's not too uncommon for a player to
> support (say) CBR but not VBR, or only certain bit rates.
Heh, yeah. My dad had a player that supported Ogg Vorbis, but only at
certain bitrates. Meaning if the bitrate temporarily went below that,
the sound would actually drop out for a second. (WTF? WHY WOULD YOU DO
THIS?!)
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote:
> Just google for what it supports. It's not too uncommon for a player to
> support (say) CBR but not VBR, or only certain bit rates.
How much cheaper does an mp3 player become if it supports only certain
bitrates? Does it really justify the limitation?
(I understand that in small mp3 players mp3 decoding is done in hardware
rather than in software, but still...)
--
- Warp
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> (WTF? WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS?!)
Processor speed or memory bandwidth.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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Warp schrieb:
> How much cheaper does an mp3 player become if it supports only certain
> bitrates? Does it really justify the limitation?
>
> (I understand that in small mp3 players mp3 decoding is done in hardware
> rather than in software, but still...)
It really keeps development costs to virtually zero if basically all you
need to do is set up some fixed clock in the controller chip, and
braindeadly go shoveling data to a hardware codec, without worrying
about flow control or any some such.
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>> (WTF? WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS?!)
>
> Processor speed or memory bandwidth.
Perhaps you misunderstand. The sound cuts out if the bitrate goes TOO
LOW. It never cuts out due to high bitrate.
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> with my iAUDIO M5, but only once I replaced the manufacturer's buggy
> firmware with RockBox - a slightly nontrivial undertaking.
Ah genius - RockBox works with my old iPod 4G and it seems like it will
actually let me just copy&paste (part of) my mp3 collection to it and then
play it. I *hate* the way iTunes and iPod work by assuming all the mp3 tags
are present and correct. Going to try this out tonight...
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>> with my iAUDIO M5, but only once I replaced the manufacturer's buggy
>> firmware with RockBox - a slightly nontrivial undertaking.
>
> Ah genius - RockBox works with my old iPod 4G and it seems like it will
> actually let me just copy&paste (part of) my mp3 collection to it and
> then play it. I *hate* the way iTunes and iPod work by assuming all the
> mp3 tags are present and correct. Going to try this out tonight...
Heh. I just hated the way iAUDIO's own firmware kept crashing and
SANDBLASTING MY EARS IN THE PROCESS! >_< Fortunately RockBox doesn't do
that. (It also allows me to do totally pointless stuff like plot and
zoom the Mandelbrot set while I'm listening to my music. Why you'd
bother with a blue/purple LCD screen I'm not sure...)
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> Heh. I just hated the way iAUDIO's own firmware kept crashing and
> SANDBLASTING MY EARS IN THE PROCESS! >_< Fortunately RockBox doesn't do
> that.
I just want to navigate through my songs by the folder structure that I've
carefully set up on my PC, not by a bunch of incorrectly set mp3 tags in the
files.
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>> Heh. I just hated the way iAUDIO's own firmware kept crashing and
>> SANDBLASTING MY EARS IN THE PROCESS! >_< Fortunately RockBox doesn't
>> do that.
>
> I just want to navigate through my songs by the folder structure that
> I've carefully set up on my PC, not by a bunch of incorrectly set mp3
> tags in the files.
Yeah, I can see how that would suck pretty hard...
The iAUDIO firmware works that way in the first place, but so does
RockBox. (Annoyingly, by default RockBox only plays the files in the
current folder, rather than moving to the next folder. But there's an
option somewhere to change that. And I'm told you can configure custom
playlists somehow if you want to...)
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> Yeah, I can see how that would suck pretty hard...
In particular I have a folder full of random songs that I like, I can find
no way in iTunes/iPod to play this folder. I thought maybe I could create a
playlist, but no of course there is no way to select every file from a
particular folder in order to create one. The best hack I could come up
with was to use a 3rd party program to give a certain comment to every mp3
file in that folder, then tell iTunes to make a playlist of songs with that
comment.
Also during my investigations I found that with the later versions of WinAmp
you can make it automatically tag an mp3 by analysing the conent (and
presumably sending it off somewhere). It's worked on every song so far, you
just select a bunch of songs within WinAmp, right click and choose "Send To:
Autotag" and it does it! I'm tempted to just select my entire mp3
collection and leave it running overnight to make sure they are all correct
;-)
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scott wrote:
>> Yeah, I can see how that would suck pretty hard...
>
> In particular I have a folder full of random songs that I like, I can
> find no way in iTunes/iPod to play this folder. I thought maybe I could
> create a playlist, but no of course there is no way to select every file
> from a particular folder in order to create one. The best hack I could
> come up with was to use a 3rd party program to give a certain comment to
> every mp3 file in that folder, then tell iTunes to make a playlist of
> songs with that comment.
>
> Also during my investigations I found that with the later versions of
> WinAmp you can make it automatically tag an mp3 by analysing the conent
> (and presumably sending it off somewhere). It's worked on every song so
> far, you just select a bunch of songs within WinAmp, right click and
> choose "Send To: Autotag" and it does it! I'm tempted to just select my
> entire mp3 collection and leave it running overnight to make sure they
> are all correct ;-)
All my files [which as Ogg Vorbis, not MP3] were created by me
personally, by encoding the data from the original CDs. I use CDex. Put
a disk in, type in all the details, hit a button, and it carefully puts
files into folders and places correct metadata inside. (Assuming it's an
album where everything is by the same artist. It can't handle
compilations properly, but it's easy enough to add the correct data with
WinAmp.)
Actually, that's a lie. My MP3 player *does* have just two MP3s on it
(and they're probably both illegal): Microsoft Jinglebells and Ugly
Girl. Go google them. ;-)
[Oh for the days when 10 CDs worth of data was considered "a lot".
KOMPLETE 5 comples on 14 dual-layer DVDs, BITCHES!]
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Invisible wrote:
> Perhaps you misunderstand. The sound cuts out if the bitrate goes TOO
> LOW. It never cuts out due to high bitrate.
I understand. Are you sure low-bitrate audio isn't harder to decode? Are you
sure it's not cutting out when the high bitrate comes back?
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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> Ah genius - RockBox works with my old iPod 4G and it seems like it will
> actually let me just copy&paste (part of) my mp3 collection to it and then
> play it. I *hate* the way iTunes and iPod work by assuming all the mp3
> tags are present and correct. Going to try this out tonight...
OK so I tried this out, it was very easy to put on the iPod, literally run
the .exe, choose the mp3 player and click install. After a few minutes it
was done and my iPod was alive again!
Only problem I noticed is that pressing "skip next" sometimes takes 2 or 3
seconds to skip to the next track (I'm sure it was almost instant on the
original firmware) - that's a bit annoying but maybe there are some settings
to tweak...
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scott wrote:
> OK so I tried this out, it was very easy to put on the iPod, literally
> run the .exe, choose the mp3 player and click install. After a few
> minutes it was done and my iPod was alive again!
I guess it varies by player. I had to copy a bunch of files to a
specific location on the player and then reboot it while connected to
the mains.
> Only problem I noticed is that pressing "skip next" sometimes takes 2 or
> 3 seconds to skip to the next track (I'm sure it was almost instant on
> the original firmware) - that's a bit annoying but maybe there are some
> settings to tweak...
Yes, I notice this also. (Although on my player, the current track
continues playing while it seeks to the next one. Even so, it seems to
take a long time to seek...)
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>> Only problem I noticed is that pressing "skip next" sometimes takes 2 or
>> 3 seconds to skip to the next track (I'm sure it was almost instant on
>> the original firmware) - that's a bit annoying but maybe there are some
>> settings to tweak...
>
> Yes, I notice this also. (Although on my player, the current track
> continues playing while it seeks to the next one. Even so, it seems to
> take a long time to seek...)
Yeh that's what mine does too, so you press the skip button and nothing at
all happens for 2 seconds (you're then wondering if you actually pressed the
button or not), then it starts the next track. Maybe there's an option to
stop the current track immediately when you press the button, or to
pre-cache the next track or something. Still, I've hardly read the
documentation so looking forward to finding out what else it can do, there
seems to be loads of options.
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scott wrote:
>>> Only problem I noticed is that pressing "skip next" sometimes takes 2
>>> or 3 seconds to skip to the next track (I'm sure it was almost
>>> instant on the original firmware) - that's a bit annoying but maybe
>>> there are some settings to tweak...
>>
>> Yes, I notice this also. (Although on my player, the current track
>> continues playing while it seeks to the next one. Even so, it seems to
>> take a long time to seek...)
>
> Yeh that's what mine does too, so you press the skip button and nothing
> at all happens for 2 seconds (you're then wondering if you actually
> pressed the button or not), then it starts the next track. Maybe
> there's an option to stop the current track immediately when you press
> the button, or to pre-cache the next track or something. Still, I've
> hardly read the documentation so looking forward to finding out what
> else it can do, there seems to be loads of options.
On mine, you can do stuff like adjust how long the backlight stays on
after you press a button (so you can conserve battery power - or not),
whether tracks cross-fade into each other, whether it advances to the
next folder or loops or stops when it finishes all the tracks in the
current folder, and so on. I believe you can also install themes...
(I don't know about your player, but mine has a moderately large purple
LCD on it.)
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> On mine, you can do stuff like adjust how long the backlight stays on
> after you press a button (so you can conserve battery power - or not),
I really only use mine in the car, so it's always on charge, but still I
like having the backlight turn off after 5 or 10 seconds of not pressing a
button (I could do this anyway on the iPod firmware and seems to still
behave the same now by default).
> whether tracks cross-fade into each other, whether it advances to the next
> folder or loops or stops when it finishes all the tracks in the current
> folder, and so on. I believe you can also install themes...
Oh yes, after the install it popped up asking me if I wanted to install a
theme, so I chose a nice looking one from the list and it put it on there.
It really is a well designed installer.
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>> I believe you can also install themes...
>
> Oh yes, after the install it popped up asking me if I wanted to install
> a theme, so I chose a nice looking one from the list and it put it on
> there. It really is a well designed installer.
Heh. All I got was 3 Zip files. Unzip them all on top of each other in
the correct place on the player's harddrive, and plug the player into
its charger. Assuming you didn't screw up, it now works. And you can
then change (and even to some degree edit) themes on the player itself.
(The default theme was not quite to my liking.)
You, it seems, got an actual *installer*...
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> You, it seems, got an actual *installer*...
There was only one download, supposedly for all supported players, so maybe
they sorted out an installer since you did it?
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scott wrote:
>> You, it seems, got an actual *installer*...
>
> There was only one download, supposedly for all supported players, so
> maybe they sorted out an installer since you did it?
Heh, yeah, it was a year or so ago.
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On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:09:32 +0200, scott wrote:
> Only problem I noticed is that pressing "skip next" sometimes takes 2 or
> 3 seconds to skip to the next track (I'm sure it was almost instant on
> the original firmware) - that's a bit annoying but maybe there are some
> settings to tweak...
I don't notice it taking that long to switch, but it does buffer so
there's gapless playback (something Apple wouldn't put in their
firmware). It may be that the buffering thread isn't buffering enough to
jump ahead to the next track at that point.
Jim
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On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:26:53 +0100, Invisible wrote:
> scott wrote:
>>> You, it seems, got an actual *installer*...
>>
>> There was only one download, supposedly for all supported players, so
>> maybe they sorted out an installer since you did it?
>
> Heh, yeah, it was a year or so ago.
There was an installer then, but myself, I build from the source, since I
get involved in chasing bugs down on occasion.
I used the installer to get the bootloader on it, that's really the
biggest part for the iPod mini. After that it's just unpacking it.
Jim
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Invisible wrote:
> whether tracks cross-fade into each other, whether it advances to the
I'd be happy with a player that would play adjacent tracks adjacent to each
other.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:12:55 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> whether tracks cross-fade into each other, whether it advances to the
>
> I'd be happy with a player that would play adjacent tracks adjacent to
> each other.
Rockbox does that. You configure the fade time to 0 and tell it to
crossfade. With the version I build, I include the debug menus, which is
really cool because you can watch the buffering thread do its thing.
Jim
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> I don't notice it taking that long to switch, but it does buffer so
> there's gapless playback (something Apple wouldn't put in their
> firmware). It may be that the buffering thread isn't buffering enough to
> jump ahead to the next track at that point.
It only happens on I'd say about 20% of track skips, the rest are almost
instant. I'll try and have a play about with the buffering settings over
the weekend.
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:20:00 +0200, scott wrote:
>> I don't notice it taking that long to switch, but it does buffer so
>> there's gapless playback (something Apple wouldn't put in their
>> firmware). It may be that the buffering thread isn't buffering enough
>> to jump ahead to the next track at that point.
>
> It only happens on I'd say about 20% of track skips, the rest are almost
> instant. I'll try and have a play about with the buffering settings
> over the weekend.
That definitely sounds like the buffering thread just doesn't have the
next track yet.
Jim
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