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From: Darren New
Subject: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 29 Sep 2009 00:01:18
Message: <4ac1868e$1@news.povray.org>
http://vimeo.com/6797740?hd=1

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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 29 Sep 2009 01:03:58
Message: <4ac1953e$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> http://vimeo.com/6797740?hd=1
> 

Has anyone ever used a Julia fractal for anything other than these 
trippy videos?

...Chambers


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 29 Sep 2009 01:40:02
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Chambers wrote:
> Has anyone ever used a Julia fractal for anything other than these 
> trippy videos?

I would guess there's at least one mathematical result of importance about 
them, or we'd not be hearing about them so much.

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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 29 Sep 2009 04:37:48
Message: <4ac1c75c$1@news.povray.org>
>> Has anyone ever used a Julia fractal for anything other than these 
>> trippy videos?
> 
> I would guess there's at least one mathematical result of importance 
> about them, or we'd not be hearing about them so much.

Result #1: Simple dynamical systems can give rise to unpredictable 
behaviour. (The system has to be non-linear though, even if only 
slightly. A perfectly linear system does nothing interesting.)

Result #2: Every basin of attraction contains at least one critical 
point of the map. (Only guaranteed for rational maps though.)

Result #3: The Julia set is the boundary of all basins of attraction 
simultaneously. (Even if there are three attractors, every point of the 
Julia set touches all three basins simultaneously - despite this being 
obviously impossible.)

I could go on...

I have no idea whether these results have any particular *practical* 
usage. But Julia sets do occasionally pop up when people aren't trying 
to do anything related to computer graphics. (Ferromagnatic phase 
renormalisation transforms, anyone?)

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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 29 Sep 2009 05:28:44
Message: <4ac1d34c$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New schrieb:
> http://vimeo.com/6797740?hd=1

Hey! That's on-topic, and therefore off-topic here...! ;-)


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From: Captain Jack
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 29 Sep 2009 09:56:14
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"clipka" <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote in message 
news:4ac1d34c$1@news.povray.org...
> Darren New schrieb:
>> http://vimeo.com/6797740?hd=1
>
> Hey! That's on-topic, and therefore off-topic here...! ;-)

Careful... Someone reading this might be a computer/life form from the Star 
Trek universe. Logic like that makes their heads explode.

With sparks, even.


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 29 Sep 2009 12:46:09
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Captain Jack schrieb:

>> Hey! That's on-topic, and therefore off-topic here...! ;-)
> 
> Careful... Someone reading this might be a computer/life form from the Star 
> Trek universe. Logic like that makes their heads explode.

... or, worse yet, makes them raise a single eyebrow? :-)

LLAP


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From: Captain Jack
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 29 Sep 2009 13:44:20
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"clipka" <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote in message 
news:4ac239d1@news.povray.org...
> Captain Jack schrieb:
> ... or, worse yet, makes them raise a single eyebrow? :-)
>
> LLAP

Fascinating... 8)


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 29 Sep 2009 14:30:06
Message: <rek4c55sqakt9lup2jc4ogikcja6g51jmt@4ax.com>
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:28:35 +0200, clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:

>Darren New schrieb:
>> http://vimeo.com/6797740?hd=1
>
>Hey! That's on-topic, and therefore off-topic here...! ;-)

But if it is off topic here then here is the perfect place for it. I would think
;)
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     Stephen


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 29 Sep 2009 14:59:52
Message: <4ac25928@news.povray.org>
Chambers <Ben### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Has anyone ever used a Julia fractal for anything other than these 
> trippy videos?

  I don't know if the Julia fractal in particular has been used, but some
fractals have been used as counter-examples for some mathematical
conjectures, proving them wrong.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 29 Sep 2009 15:37:14
Message: <4ac261ea@news.povray.org>
>> Hey! That's on-topic, and therefore off-topic here...! ;-)
> 
> But if it is off topic here then here is the perfect place for it. I would think
> ;)

...did he just invoke the Liar Paradox?

I think he did, you know...

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From: Captain Jack
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 29 Sep 2009 15:59:37
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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:4ac261ea@news.povray.org...
>>> Hey! That's on-topic, and therefore off-topic here...! ;-)
>>
>> But if it is off topic here then here is the perfect place for it. I 
>> would think
>> ;)
>
> ...did he just invoke the Liar Paradox?
>
> I think he did, you know...


Paging Dr. Hofstadter! Dr. Douglas Hofstadter, you have a call... Please 
come to the front of the Internet.


(humming softly: It rained all night the day I left, the weather it was 
dry...)


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 29 Sep 2009 16:31:26
Message: <chr4c5p2ai418frjq6junsgmu7em3pg19o@4ax.com>
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:37:13 +0100, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>>> Hey! That's on-topic, and therefore off-topic here...! ;-)
>> 
>> But if it is off topic here then here is the perfect place for it. I would think
>> ;)
>
>...did he just invoke the Liar Paradox?
>

Naw! But what ever I say is not true, Blue.

>I think he did, you know...

Strange, Loop!
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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 29 Sep 2009 16:36:27
Message: <8mr4c5l8ub6sq4e3nmin9fs29k1e5q3pos@4ax.com>
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:00:12 -0400, "Captain Jack" <Cap### [at] comcastnet>
wrote:

>"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
>news:4ac261ea@news.povray.org...
>>>> Hey! That's on-topic, and therefore off-topic here...! ;-)
>>>
>>> But if it is off topic here then here is the perfect place for it. I 
>>> would think
>>> ;)
>>
>> ...did he just invoke the Liar Paradox?
>>
>> I think he did, you know...
>
>
>Paging Dr. Hofstadter! Dr. Douglas Hofstadter, you have a call... Please 
>come to the front of the Internet.
>
>
>(humming softly: It rained all night the day I left, the weather it was 
>dry...)
>

One fine day in the middle of the night,
Two dead men got up to fight;
Back-to-back they faced each other,
Drew their swords and shot each other.

;-)

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 29 Sep 2009 16:54:36
Message: <4ac2740c$1@news.povray.org>
>> ...did he just invoke the Liar Paradox?
> 
> Naw! But what ever I say is not true, Blue.
> 
>> I think he did, you know...
> 
> Strange, Loop!

...and here I am crawling through BWV 590...

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 29 Sep 2009 17:05:50
Message: <4ac276ae$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
>   I don't know if the Julia fractal in particular has been used, but some
> fractals have been used as counter-examples for some mathematical
> conjectures, proving them wrong.

And they are, of course, fractals in general are useful for modeling all 
kinds of physical stuff, like landscapes, etc. I just don't know I've seen 
the Julian set that way.

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   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 29 Sep 2009 17:11:53
Message: <4ac27819@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:

> And they are, of course, fractals in general are useful for modeling all 
> kinds of physical stuff, like landscapes, etc. I just don't know I've 
> seen the Julian set that way.

The quadratic Julia set? There *are* others, you know... ;-)

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From: gregjohn
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 29 Sep 2009 20:15:01
Message: <web.4ac2a2db5c937d8834d207310@news.povray.org>
Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> http://vimeo.com/6797740?hd=1
>
> --
>    Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
>    I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".

With that quality, would have liked to see what they could do with a
cross-section.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 29 Sep 2009 21:08:31
Message: <4ac2af8f@news.povray.org>
gregjohn wrote:
> With that quality, would have liked to see what they could do with a
> cross-section.

That was a cross section. It's a 4D fractal. ;-)

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   I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".


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From: SharkD
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 30 Sep 2009 02:34:24
Message: <4ac2fbf0$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> http://vimeo.com/6797740?hd=1

I'm not impressed. So it looks like taffy. Big deal.

-Mike


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 30 Sep 2009 03:05:38
Message: <4ac30342$1@news.povray.org>
> I'm not impressed. So it looks like taffy. Big deal.

Yeah, well, Quaternions aren't a true number field. More like a simple 
extension of the set of complex numbers - simple in that it's little 
more than a surface of revolution.

What *I* like is 3D slices of the 4D cubic Mandelbrot set - but I don't 
know of anything except POV-Ray that can render it. (And POV-Ray doesn't 
do it terribly efficiently...)

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 30 Sep 2009 07:45:15
Message: <06h6c5pueprlnl22biat7fnu98vd2ks7im@4ax.com>
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:54:36 +0100, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>>> ...did he just invoke the Liar Paradox?
>> 
>> Naw! But what ever I say is not true, Blue.
>> 
>>> I think he did, you know...
>> 
>> Strange, Loop!
>
>...and here I am crawling through BWV 590...

Now that is one to play "with feeling" :)
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 30 Sep 2009 07:48:24
Message: <tbh6c5lfbn8f173btj90crfa4crk79scoo@4ax.com>
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:05:38 +0100, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>
>What *I* like is 3D slices of the 4D cubic Mandelbrot set - but I don't 
>know of anything except POV-Ray that can render it. (And POV-Ray doesn't 
>do it terribly efficiently...)

Since you mention it google buddhabrot 
Also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhabrot
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     Stephen


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 30 Sep 2009 10:28:28
Message: <4ac36b0c$1@news.povray.org>
>> ...and here I am crawling through BWV 590...
> 
> Now that is one to play "with feeling" :)

Ah, I see. I was playing it with a small pipe organ...

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 30 Sep 2009 11:39:36
Message: <4ac37bb8@news.povray.org>
SharkD wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> http://vimeo.com/6797740?hd=1
> 
> I'm not impressed. So it looks like taffy. Big deal.

Perhaps you missed the title of the post? ;-)

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 30 Sep 2009 16:12:51
Message: <hse7c5ptvv5fdniafiplhdmbcsmu26h2eo@4ax.com>
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:28:28 +0100, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>>> ...and here I am crawling through BWV 590...
>> 
>> Now that is one to play "with feeling" :)
>
>Ah, I see. I was playing it with a small pipe organ...

Too much information :-)
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: SharkD
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 30 Sep 2009 16:26:51
Message: <4ac3bf0b$1@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:
> Since you mention it google buddhabrot 
> Also
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhabrot

This site is pretty awesome.

http://www.enchgallery.com/fractals/fracthumbs.htm

-Mike


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 30 Sep 2009 16:40:53
Message: <4ac3c255$1@news.povray.org>
SharkD wrote:

> This site is pretty awesome.
> 
> http://www.enchgallery.com/fractals/fracthumbs.htm

Actually yes.

[Which is unusual, I should point out...]

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Sweet fractal goodness
Date: 1 Oct 2009 13:33:01
Message: <mtp9c5t12pt7g6e50tlm0kbjqv27mb2tvm@4ax.com>
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:26:53 -0400, SharkD <mik### [at] gmailcom> wrote:

>Stephen wrote:
>> Since you mention it google buddhabrot 
>> Also
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhabrot
>
>This site is pretty awesome.
>
>http://www.enchgallery.com/fractals/fracthumbs.htm
>

It is too :D
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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