Leef_me wrote:
> Tom Austin <taustin> wrote:
>> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> 
>> Yes, I agree - did you notice the bell curve of the result counts?
> 
> You could see a bell curve in a flat sheet of glass
> 
> Leef_me ;)
> 
> 

yes, just as you can hear the train hit you car

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Warp wrote:
>   It's amusing how "how to get pregnant" seems to be a common question asked
> in google. I think that if someone doesn't know how to get pregnant, it's
> probably better she doesn't.

Although I'd expect lower numbers, the knowledge of this has to be 
learned just like anything else.  There have been documented cases of 
couples seeking fertility treatment who didn't know that intercourse was 
involved.  Rare as anything could be, of course, but it has happened.

Regards,
John

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John VanSickle <evi### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> There have been documented cases of 
> couples seeking fertility treatment who didn't know that intercourse was 
> involved.

  How do they think it happens, then?

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Warp wrote:
>   It's amusing how "how to get pregnant" seems to be a common question asked
> in google.

Actually, I find it sad that so many people who want kids are obviously 
having problems, while unwanted pregnancies are so high.

To quote Friends, "Why don't you try getting drunk?  That worked for a 
bunch of girls in my school!"

I know at least one couple that tried for four *years* before she got 
pregnant.

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Chambers <Ben### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> I know at least one couple that tried for four *years* before she got 
> pregnant.

  Why don't they adopt a kid?

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Warp wrote:
> Chambers <Ben### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> I know at least one couple that tried for four *years* before she got 
>> pregnant.
> 
>   Why don't they adopt a kid?

They actually tried, and had two for about a year before the kids' 
grandparents suddenly woke up, went to court and demanded custody.  And 
got it.

Adoption is surprisingly difficult in the US.

...Chambers

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Warp wrote:
> John VanSickle <evi### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> There have been documented cases of 
>> couples seeking fertility treatment who didn't know that intercourse was 
>> involved.
> 
>   How do they think it happens, then?

The one case I read of involved a couple who had somehow remained 
ignorant of sex, even to the point that after some time being married, 
they believed that occupying the same bed while asleep would induce 
pregnancy.  Somehow.

It's a reflection on their upbringing, but it must be kept in mind that 
instances like this are quite rare.  I myself am a member of a church 
that is more conservative than most, and I'm not aware of anything 
remotely like this happening to any member.

Regards,
John

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Chambers wrote:
> Warp wrote:
>> Chambers <Ben### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>>> I know at least one couple that tried for four *years* before she got 
>>> pregnant.
>>
>>   Why don't they adopt a kid?
> 
> They actually tried, and had two for about a year before the kids' 
> grandparents suddenly woke up, went to court and demanded custody.  And 
> got it.
> 
> Adoption is surprisingly difficult in the US.

The US essentially inherited its adoption laws (and much of its other 
legal code) from the United Kingdom, and our adoption laws reflect that 
heritage.  This is not to say that the UK has retained the old laws; 
they may have changed since the two nations parted ways, but the spirit 
of the original laws was obsessed with biological descent.  There was an 
instance of a woman who was denied her adopted parents' estate on their 
passing.  Things may have changed, but that's how it used to be.

In the case cited earlier in the thread, it could be that the state in 
which they tried to adopt grants to grandparents the right of first 
refusal, so much so that any failure to get their consent renders 
adoption by others invalid.  Or it could be that the law very clearly 
says that the grandparents are out of luck, but the judge decided to 
toss the law and rule in their favor anyway.

Also, the fact of whether the adoption is finalized is important; prior 
to that step, the child is a ward of the state (or even of its birth 
parents), and custody can be revoked at any time.

Regards,
John

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John VanSickle wrote:
> Also, the fact of whether the adoption is finalized is important; prior 
> to that step, the child is a ward of the state (or even of its birth 
> parents), and custody can be revoked at any time.

That's what it was, in this case.  They were trying to go through the 
paperwork as quickly as possible, but they hadn't finished the process 
yet when the grandparents showed up.

...Chambers

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John VanSickle <evi### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > John VanSickle <evi### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> >> There have been documented cases of 
> >> couples seeking fertility treatment who didn't know that intercourse was 
> >> involved.
> > 
> >   How do they think it happens, then?

> The one case I read of involved a couple who had somehow remained 
> ignorant of sex, even to the point that after some time being married, 
> they believed that occupying the same bed while asleep would induce 
> pregnancy.  Somehow.

  Which reminds me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwo8qxUit00

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