Jeremy "UncleHoot" Praay wrote:
> The way I see it, anime/manga is her starting point.  I'd like to open up 
> the rest of the world from that point.  Who knows, in 10 years, manga-style 
> illustration may be huge in the US.

Actually, it already is.  It is *incredibly* popular among 
starting-artists, and correspondingly sneered at by Fine Arts people due 
to that popularity and the excess of really bad drawings made by the 
boatload by said starting-artists.  However, refined works that show a 
bit more effort and development are often just as appealing as things 
drawn by established big-name illustrators.

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Invisible wrote:

>> For general study in drawing, you can't beat "Drawing on the Right 
>> Side of the Brain", by Betty Edwards. There's a companion workbook you 
>> can get for it that's pretty good, too.
> 
> 
> I have this book. I found it to be rather unhelpful.
So what??????????

I can think of one person I've known, a HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL designer, who 
credits that book, singularly, for his success.

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Jeremy "UncleHoot" Praay wrote:

> Any advice?  Tips? 
> 
> 
I particularily agree with the advice several have already offered here, 
to expose her to as much original art as you can, museums, galleries, 
etc.  From even a single piece of museum art she may feel the identity 
with the 'tribe', feel their companionship, and their challenge.

And from you, unconditional support, no critiques.

And as others have also said, have the supplies available to nurture the 
interest.  (From my own memories, paper, reams of it, enough to swim in.)

Use a light touch.  Even if it goes no where it will have been a part of 
her life lived intensely.

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On 09/24/09 16:35, Jim Henderson wrote:
> If that's the quality of advice you're able to give, Andy, then you will
> be an *excellent* parent if you can follow your own advice.
>
> Seriously.  What you've just said there is the way my parents treated my
> brother and I.  They encouraged us to try things until we found "our
> thing", and then made it possible for us to keep doing what we loved
> doing.

	I'd say not to draw too many conclusions. There are far too many 
variables. I know places where that would be horrible advice (mostly 
some third world countries).


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On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:25:37 -0500, Neeum Zawan wrote:

> On 09/24/09 16:35, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> If that's the quality of advice you're able to give, Andy, then you
>> will be an *excellent* parent if you can follow your own advice.
>>
>> Seriously.  What you've just said there is the way my parents treated
>> my brother and I.  They encouraged us to try things until we found "our
>> thing", and then made it possible for us to keep doing what we loved
>> doing.
> 
> 	I'd say not to draw too many conclusions. There are far too many
> variables. I know places where that would be horrible advice (mostly
> some third world countries).

Which isn't exactly where Andy is, is it? ;-)

Jim

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"Jeremy \"UncleHoot\" Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftwarecmo> wrote:
> I just don't want to ever feel like I'm
> "pushing" her in one direction or another, but simply giving her some
> parental guidance.

You've got the right mindset.  Just give here the materials and opportunity to
get involved in what she wants to do.  If the motivation isn't there already it
won't happen, and if it is, you just have to show an interest and make it
possible.  My parents always cheered/cheer for me, but make it clear they don't
care whether I win or not, or whether I do something else entirely.

 - Ricky

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"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> wrote in message 
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> Jeremy "UncleHoot" Praay wrote:
>
>> Any advice?  Tips?
> I particularily agree with the advice several have already offered here, 
> to expose her to as much original art as you can, museums, galleries, etc. 
> From even a single piece of museum art she may feel the identity with the 
> 'tribe', feel their companionship, and their challenge.
>
> And from you, unconditional support, no critiques.
>
> And as others have also said, have the supplies available to nurture the 
> interest.  (From my own memories, paper, reams of it, enough to swim in.)
>
> Use a light touch.  Even if it goes no where it will have been a part of 
> her life lived intensely.

From my memories, my Mom was always simply saying things like, "Wow, Jeremy! 
That looks great!"  That was nice.  My Dad, on the other hand, would often 
be more critical, but was also very supportive.  That was true, not just of 
my paintings, but schoolwork, sports, etc.  "That's great, but I know you 
can do better."  To this day, I really don't know if that helped me, or 
hindered me, or had no overall effect.  I'm sure it motivated me, but I'm 
not sure that it motivated me in the right way.  It's more heavy handed than 
I would like to be with my daughter.

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"Tim Cook" <z99### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message 
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>
> Also, ABe Yoshitoshi's art is pretty neurotic...the needed mindset to 
> really draw like that might not be where you want your daughter to go.
>
I love this picture: 
http://injongi.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/1175335868891.jpg

10 years ago, I would have looked down my nose at pretty much all 
manga/anime.  Then my daughter decided "Spirited Away" looked like a neat 
movie to watch, and I'd read about it on Slashdot, so I bought it.  We have 
different tastes (we should!), but both of us have developed an interest. 
Plus, we're both Japanophiles now.  ;-)

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On 09/24/09 21:39, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> 	I'd say not to draw too many conclusions. There are far too many
>> variables. I know places where that would be horrible advice (mostly
>> some third world countries).
>
> Which isn't exactly where Andy is, is it? ;-)

	Which is why I said "mostly". Even developed countries may have really 
silly policies where this may not be a great idea.

	In the US, things are _very_ flexible. You could try one thing, and if 
you give up/fail, there are lots of other opportunities. You could start 
university at 30+ easily.

	In a number of countries (including, I'm sure, some developed ones), 
you have to pick a path while fairly young (16-22), and beyond that age, 
the opportunities in doing something else drop exponentially. A lot of 
places don't let you go to university at age 30, and the few that do are 
of significantly lower standards (often designed to view 30  year olds 
who haven't gone to college as being dim).

	I don't know if the UK is like that, though.

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On 09/25/09 08:24, Jeremy "UncleHoot" Praay wrote:
>> And from you, unconditional support, no critiques.
>>
>> And as others have also said, have the supplies available to nurture the
>> interest.  (From my own memories, paper, reams of it, enough to swim in.)
>>
>> Use a light touch.  Even if it goes no where it will have been a part of
>> her life lived intensely.
>
>  From my memories, my Mom was always simply saying things like, "Wow, Jeremy!
> That looks great!"  That was nice.  My Dad, on the other hand, would often
> be more critical, but was also very supportive.  That was true, not just of
> my paintings, but schoolwork, sports, etc.  "That's great, but I know you
> can do better."  To this day, I really don't know if that helped me, or
> hindered me, or had no overall effect.  I'm sure it motivated me, but I'm
> not sure that it motivated me in the right way.  It's more heavy handed than
> I would like to be with my daughter.

	Along these lines, I suggest everyone really read:

http://nymag.com/news/features/27840/

	Actually, a similar article about the same research, which somehow got 
more popular on the net is the below:

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-secret-to-raising-smart-kids

	A few years ago it was being passed around a lot, and I'd say it's the 
most non-religious/non-political article that I've received as a forward 
from friends. At the time, I wondered what all the fuss was about. The 
stuff in the article is common sense, and I knew it all: It being the 
story of my life.

	Well, apparently not many actually knew about it - and perhaps no one 
had actually researched it till now.

	The summary if you don't want to read it all is that parents should 
avoid praising intelligence, and should focus more on praising effort.

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