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Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >> Some day I will be a [...] parent.
> >
> > At least you still are optimistic... ;)
> I love you too. :-P
After a certain age you just start accepting the cold facts, rather than
clinging to hope. Some things are just not meant to happen.
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- Warp
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:18:31 -0400, Jeremy \"UncleHoot\" Praay wrote:
> Any advice? Tips?
Make the tools available to her that help her do what she wants. That's
the best way of encouraging someone to do what they find interesting and
fun.
Jim
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:33:55 +0100, Invisible wrote:
> Some day I will be a horrible, horrible parent. You probably shouldn't
> take any kind of parent-related advice from me.
>
> I'm always of the opinion that if you enjoy doing something, you should
> keep doing it.
If that's the quality of advice you're able to give, Andy, then you will
be an *excellent* parent if you can follow your own advice.
Seriously. What you've just said there is the way my parents treated my
brother and I. They encouraged us to try things until we found "our
thing", and then made it possible for us to keep doing what we loved
doing.
> Unless it's cocane, in which case you should stop. Immediately.
That's a good point, applies to any self-destructive behaviour, really.
Jim
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Sabrina Kilian wrote:
> Jeremy "UncleHoot" Praay wrote:
>> But as for my daughter, she may have more potential than I did. She will
>> likely never be a Salvador Dali, or Hayao Miyazaki, but perhaps she could be
>> a Yoshitoshi Abe (one of my favorite animators). Or maybe she'll change her
>> mind when she's 16. Who knows. I just want to make sure that I encourage
>> her in the mean-time, and if she does choose to take the artistic path, I'd
>> like to know what that entails, but I don't know anything.
> Yeah, she will never be any of the folks you mentioned. She will either
> be her self, with her own style and vision, or she won't be in the right
> field. Taking after someone elses style in order to learn a new style is
> fine. Striving to be like another artist leaves your own work feeling
> dull, since your real meaning was to copy, not create.
And yet, for traditional oriental art, copying is considered more noble
than creating. Emulating another's style to the point where you can
make something that they haven't that looks exactly like something they
would make is a much more difficult task than coming up with your own
style. FWIW. Being like another artist is only dull if you pick a dull
artist or fail to sufficiently copy their style.
Also, ABe Yoshitoshi's art is pretty neurotic...the needed mindset to
really draw like that might not be where you want your daughter to go.
--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.freesitespace.net
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Jeremy "UncleHoot" Praay wrote:
> The way I see it, anime/manga is her starting point. I'd like to open up
> the rest of the world from that point. Who knows, in 10 years, manga-style
> illustration may be huge in the US.
Actually, it already is. It is *incredibly* popular among
starting-artists, and correspondingly sneered at by Fine Arts people due
to that popularity and the excess of really bad drawings made by the
boatload by said starting-artists. However, refined works that show a
bit more effort and development are often just as appealing as things
drawn by established big-name illustrators.
--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.freesitespace.net
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Invisible wrote:
>> For general study in drawing, you can't beat "Drawing on the Right
>> Side of the Brain", by Betty Edwards. There's a companion workbook you
>> can get for it that's pretty good, too.
>
>
> I have this book. I found it to be rather unhelpful.
So what??????????
I can think of one person I've known, a HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL designer, who
credits that book, singularly, for his success.
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Jeremy "UncleHoot" Praay wrote:
> Any advice? Tips?
>
>
I particularily agree with the advice several have already offered here,
to expose her to as much original art as you can, museums, galleries,
etc. From even a single piece of museum art she may feel the identity
with the 'tribe', feel their companionship, and their challenge.
And from you, unconditional support, no critiques.
And as others have also said, have the supplies available to nurture the
interest. (From my own memories, paper, reams of it, enough to swim in.)
Use a light touch. Even if it goes no where it will have been a part of
her life lived intensely.
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On 09/24/09 16:35, Jim Henderson wrote:
> If that's the quality of advice you're able to give, Andy, then you will
> be an *excellent* parent if you can follow your own advice.
>
> Seriously. What you've just said there is the way my parents treated my
> brother and I. They encouraged us to try things until we found "our
> thing", and then made it possible for us to keep doing what we loved
> doing.
I'd say not to draw too many conclusions. There are far too many
variables. I know places where that would be horrible advice (mostly
some third world countries).
--
If you think nobody cares, try missing a couple of payments.
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:25:37 -0500, Neeum Zawan wrote:
> On 09/24/09 16:35, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> If that's the quality of advice you're able to give, Andy, then you
>> will be an *excellent* parent if you can follow your own advice.
>>
>> Seriously. What you've just said there is the way my parents treated
>> my brother and I. They encouraged us to try things until we found "our
>> thing", and then made it possible for us to keep doing what we loved
>> doing.
>
> I'd say not to draw too many conclusions. There are far too many
> variables. I know places where that would be horrible advice (mostly
> some third world countries).
Which isn't exactly where Andy is, is it? ;-)
Jim
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"Jeremy \"UncleHoot\" Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftwarecmo> wrote:
> I just don't want to ever feel like I'm
> "pushing" her in one direction or another, but simply giving her some
> parental guidance.
You've got the right mindset. Just give here the materials and opportunity to
get involved in what she wants to do. If the motivation isn't there already it
won't happen, and if it is, you just have to show an interest and make it
possible. My parents always cheered/cheer for me, but make it clear they don't
care whether I win or not, or whether I do something else entirely.
- Ricky
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