On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:18:31 -0400, "Jeremy \"UncleHoot\" Praay"
<jer### [at] questsoftwarecmo> wrote:

>Any advice?  Tips? 

Take her to art galleries. It may not make her artistic but will give her a
background. Keep it short unless she is showing an interest. Try it a couple of
times before letting her give it up. It could be fun for a family outing.
Imagine her asking a question that you have to research together. :-)
Admittedly when I was young I had access to what I though was a very good Art
Gallery and Museum that my mother took me to it when I was very young. I then
started going on my own with school friends. (That sounds like a logical
fallacy. :) 
If she finds it interesting then it can be an interest for life. If she gets
bored then she can save a lot of time now rather than finding it out later.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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"nemesis" <nam### [at] nospam-gmailcom> wrote in message 
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> That reminds me that my dad used to encourage me in my youth artistic 
> endeavours.  Once I decided to learn to paint, oil, brushes, frames and 
> all.  There goes my old man and brings home the full painter's kit.  For 
> some reason I can't understand even now, I never touched it.
>
> I can't really say whatever happened, certainly it was not my intention to 
> piss off my father.  Perhaps I was too much overwhelmed by the task... :(

Or perhaps you felt too much pressure.  I can relate to that.

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"Sabrina Kilian" <ski### [at] vtedu> wrote in message 
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>
> Yeah, she will never be any of the folks you mentioned. She will either
> be her self, with her own style and vision, or she won't be in the right
> field. Taking after someone elses style in order to learn a new style is
> fine. Striving to be like another artist leaves your own work feeling
> dull, since your real meaning was to copy, not create.

I didn't mean it in the respect that she should take after someone else's 
style, but simply that she could possibly make a living in that business, 
but would probably never achieve superstardom.

Thanks for the advice!  I'm going to try to keep some of these things in my 
mind over the next few years.

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"Captain Jack" <Cap### [at] comcastnet> wrote in message 
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> Encouraging your child to be creative may be the very best gift you can 
> give her, I think.
>
> I'd suggest you get her a copy of the basic version of the software Anime 
> Studio from Smith Micro. It's really very easy to use, it's not awfully 
> expensive, and it comes with some good starter content. Despite the name, 
> it's good for almost any kind of 2D animation. You can import your own 
> images to animate, it's got good vector drawing tools, and it can even 
> import some 3D content (OBJ format, I think) and give you a 2D 
> representation of it.

Maybe later.  My philosophy in that regard is not to get bogged down in the 
tools, but to learn to draw first.  Although, arguably some tools teach you 
to draw, so it's something I'm keeping in mind.

> For traditional animation, I highly recommend "The Animator's Survival 
> Kit" by Richard Williams. It covers 2D cel style animation, but it's got 
> stuff that's very useful for any animation medium. Another old one I like 
> is "Timing for Animation".
>
> Manga art on paper, which is the art style that Anime derives from, is 
> traditionaly done with brush and ink or brush markers. If you hunt around 
> you can find some nice felt tip brush markers that are made with the Manga 
> artist in mind; they'll come in sets of varying thickness, with black and 
> a couple of shades of gray.

Currently, that's where she is most interested.  She's certainly not 
animating anything yet, but she loves doing manga-style characters.  Thanks 
for that tidbit.  :-)

> For general study in drawing, you can't beat "Drawing on the Right Side of 
> the Brain", by Betty Edwards. There's a companion workbook you can get for 
> it that's pretty good, too.
>
> I've found a lot of good art instruction books at my local used bookstore 
> (Half-Price Books is the chain I have access to around here) and they're 
> always pretty affordable.

The way I see it, anime/manga is her starting point.  I'd like to open up 
the rest of the world from that point.  Who knows, in 10 years, manga-style 
illustration may be huge in the US.  Or maybe she'll want to move to Japan. 
Or, maybe graphic-design is eventually where she will find herself.  Or 
maybe she'll become a lawyer.  I just don't want to ever feel like I'm 
"pushing" her in one direction or another, but simply giving her some 
parental guidance.

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> The way I see it, anime/manga is her starting point.  I'd like to open up 
> the rest of the world from that point.  Who knows, in 10 years, 
> manga-style illustration may be huge in the US.  Or maybe she'll want to 
> move to Japan. Or, maybe graphic-design is eventually where she will find 
> herself.  Or maybe she'll become a lawyer.  I just don't want to ever feel 
> like I'm "pushing" her in one direction or another, but simply giving her 
> some parental guidance.

As long as you encourage her and accept her (informed) decisions, I think 
she'll turn out all right. No matter what, things will probably get 
difficult for a few years, but they get better when the kids turn about 20 
or so. My daughter is getting married next week... we had a pretty rough 
patch when she was about 17 or so, but she seems to think (in emulation of 
Mark Twain) that her old man may have gotten somewhat smarter since then. :)

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"Jeremy \"UncleHoot\" Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftwarecmo> wrote:
> "nemesis" <nam### [at] nospam-gmailcom> wrote in message
> news:4abb75ad@news.povray.org...
> > That reminds me that my dad used to encourage me in my youth artistic
> > endeavours.  Once I decided to learn to paint, oil, brushes, frames and
> > all.  There goes my old man and brings home the full painter's kit.  For
> > some reason I can't understand even now, I never touched it.
> >
> > I can't really say whatever happened, certainly it was not my intention to
> > piss off my father.  Perhaps I was too much overwhelmed by the task... :(
>
> Or perhaps you felt too much pressure.  I can relate to that.

I strongly agree.  In fact, Jeremy, accidental pressure can be a very large
issue, even to the point that it may be a good idea to avoid giving her
unrequested art supplies directly, instead providing her with a small "art
supply budget" for birthdays or other such, and let her decide what to get with
it (the rationale being that a well meaning person can accidentally pressure you
in a direction by, say, gifting a set of watercolors when you really prefer oil
pastels, but you don't want to disappoint them).  Disclaimer:  I am not a
parent.

-Reactor

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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >> Some day I will be a [...] parent.
> > 
> >   At least you still are optimistic... ;)

> I love you too. :-P

  After a certain age you just start accepting the cold facts, rather than
clinging to hope. Some things are just not meant to happen.

-- 
                                                          - Warp

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On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:18:31 -0400, Jeremy \"UncleHoot\" Praay wrote:

> Any advice?  Tips?

Make the tools available to her that help her do what she wants.  That's 
the best way of encouraging someone to do what they find interesting and 
fun.

Jim

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On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:33:55 +0100, Invisible wrote:

> Some day I will be a horrible, horrible parent. You probably shouldn't
> take any kind of parent-related advice from me.
> 
> I'm always of the opinion that if you enjoy doing something, you should
> keep doing it.

If that's the quality of advice you're able to give, Andy, then you will 
be an *excellent* parent if you can follow your own advice.

Seriously.  What you've just said there is the way my parents treated my 
brother and I.  They encouraged us to try things until we found "our 
thing", and then made it possible for us to keep doing what we loved 
doing.

> Unless it's cocane, in which case you should stop. Immediately.

That's a good point, applies to any self-destructive behaviour, really.

Jim

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Sabrina Kilian wrote:
> Jeremy "UncleHoot" Praay wrote:
>> But as for my daughter, she may have more potential than I did.  She will 
>> likely never be a Salvador Dali, or Hayao Miyazaki, but perhaps she could be 
>> a Yoshitoshi Abe (one of my favorite animators).  Or maybe she'll change her 
>> mind when she's 16.  Who knows.  I just want to make sure that I encourage 
>> her in the mean-time, and if she does choose to take the artistic path, I'd 
>> like to know what that entails, but I don't know anything.
> Yeah, she will never be any of the folks you mentioned. She will either
> be her self, with her own style and vision, or she won't be in the right
> field. Taking after someone elses style in order to learn a new style is
> fine. Striving to be like another artist leaves your own work feeling
> dull, since your real meaning was to copy, not create.

And yet, for traditional oriental art, copying is considered more noble 
than creating.  Emulating another's style to the point where you can 
make something that they haven't that looks exactly like something they 
would make is a much more difficult task than coming up with your own 
style.  FWIW.  Being like another artist is only dull if you pick a dull 
artist or fail to sufficiently copy their style.

Also, ABe Yoshitoshi's art is pretty neurotic...the needed mindset to 
really draw like that might not be where you want your daughter to go.

--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.freesitespace.net

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