I can think of handful of examples of this.  In most of these cases, the 
meaning has changed to the opposite, and it's quite confusing.

"Gunning for you."  I my mind, it was just a few years ago when this meant, 
"I'm rooting for you." or "I'm behind you 100%."  Now, it's just the 
opposite.  "I'm coming after you." or "I'm going to try to stop you."  I 
believe the phrase probably originated in the trenches, and when you left 
the trench, you surely hoped that your friends were gunning for you.  Or 
perhaps it had to do with tail-gunners.  If no one was gunning for you, you 
were simply up there flying around while someone else was shooting at you! 
I can still find a couple examples of the older definition on the Web, so 
you don't think I'm just smoking crack. ;-)
http://www.definition-of.com/gunning+for+you
http://www.allwords.com/word-gun.html

"Sleeper" when referring to movies.  Someone might say, "Hey, have you seen 
the new movie yet?  I didn't expect it to be very good, but haven't heard 
very much about it."  To which one might reply, "Yeah.  It was a real 
sleeper, though!  I haven't seen a movie that good in a long time!"  Or, the 
reply might go something like this: "Yeah, but don't bother going to see it. 
It was a real sleeper."  The original definition was similar to a "sleeper" 
in the spy sense of the word.  You were surprised that the movie because it 
was far better than you expected.  Apparently, it's more common to see the 
term "sleeper hit" when used in that sense now. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeper_hit  Oddly, I can no longer find any 
examples of the "newer" usage on the Web, but then I'm probably not looking 
hard enough. I remember this question coming up last year when CNN had an 
article in which they referred to a few of the year's worst movies as 
sleepers, and it was definitely not in a good sense. When I asked my 
co-workers last year, they unanimously said that a "sleeper" was a long, 
boring movie, and I could find little information on the Web to support my 
claim that it was the opposite.  Perhaps the original meaning is gaining 
ground again.

"Showstopper" is one to keep an eye on.  In the original theatrical sense, 
it was the point that the show had to stop, because of the thunderous 
applause after a performance.  It was something really good.  When used in 
reference to software, it generally means the opposite.  You're giving a 
demonstration of the new program, and it crashes.  That's a showstopper.  I 
would expect this newer defintion to eventually make its way into common 
usage, if it hasn't already.

"Back on track" versus "untracked".  I include this one, simply because the 
two phrases apparently mean the exact same thing, but imply the opposite.  A 
few years ago, in sports columns, I kept seeing the term "untracked" used in 
a way that made no sense to me.  An example of this would be, "Tiger woods 
needs to get untracked, or he's not going to make the cut."  You could use 
the phrase "back on track" instead of "untracked" without changing the 
meaning of the sentence, even though the analogy is the complete opposite. 
"Back on track" always made me think of getting a train back on the tracks. 
"Untracked" apparently refers to getting bogged down in a deep rut, where 
the only way you're going to get out is to get your vehicle out of the deep 
tracks.

I bet if I was really old, I could come up with a lot more examples.  :-)

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Jeremy "UncleHoot" Praay wrote:
> "Gunning for you."  

That's the only one I've heard used both ways.

My wife grew up in China, so she's always stumbling across funky things 
English does wrong. I love this stuff. :-)

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Darren New wrote:

> My wife grew up in China, so she's always stumbling across funky things 
> English does wrong. I love this stuff. :-)

Ziva David has a similar problem. It's one of the show's running gags.

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On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:15:27 -0400, "Jeremy \"UncleHoot\" Praay"
<jer### [at] questsoftwarecmo> wrote:

>I can think of handful of examples of this.  In most of these cases, the 
>meaning has changed to the opposite, and it's quite confusing.

The word that brought my attention to this phenomenon was "anon". In Chaucer's
writing it meant "just now" but 200 years later Shakespeare used it to mean
"soon". 
Just like the word "presently".
As for "sleeper" in the sixties it meant a slow mover with respect to the
charts.
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     Stephen

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Darren New schrieb:
> 
> My wife grew up in China, so she's always stumbling across funky things 
> English does wrong. I love this stuff. :-)

How about "oversee" and "overlook", for instance?

But German happens to be even worse at these, with "übersehen" 
potentially being used in either sense.

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clipka wrote:
> Darren New schrieb:
>>
>> My wife grew up in China, so she's always stumbling across funky 
>> things English does wrong. I love this stuff. :-)
> 
> How about "oversee" and "overlook", for instance?

That was one of the best, up there with "undust the furniture."


She asked me to check an email she was sending out. It said "John should 
overlook the project."  I said to change it to oversee, because overlook 
means to not look at. She said "But I want him to look over it."  I said 
"Yes, if you look over something, you don't overlook it, you oversee it." 
She said "fuckin' English."  :-)

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On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 11:08:57 -0700, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:

>She said "fuckin' English."  :-)

She's not the only one in the world to say that ;-)
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     Stephen

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> She said "fuckin' English."  :-)

  One thing I hate about English is its inconsistent pronounciation.

  Mean, dean, clean, cleanse... wait, what?

  Feather, leather, leader... huh?

  Read, read (depending on tense).

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Warp wrote:
>   One thing I hate about English is its inconsistent pronounciation.

I regret pointing out to her that "fruit" is one syllable like "froot" an
d 
not two like "fru••••ït" would be. It was so cut
e. :-)
•
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Darren New schrieb:
> Warp wrote:
>>   One thing I hate about English is its inconsistent pronounciation.
> 
> I regret pointing out to her that "fruit" is one syllable like "froot" 
> and not two like "fru••••ït" would be. It was so cute. :-)

This reminds me of a famous TV show that's traditionally repeated over 
and over again every new year's eve in German television - an old 
black-and-white recording of a sketch played by Freddie Frinton and May 
Warden somewhen somewhere, called "Dinner for One". Virtually every 
German knows the dialogues by heart. One of Frintons lines, playing a 
butler, is "Would you like some fruit"? - where he pronounces the 
"fruit" exactly like that.

So no, she's not the only one - even respectable English butlers apear 
to be mispronouncing it at times... or maybe that's the /right/ way to 
pronounce it?


Anyway - Skol!
(*claps heels*)

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> >   One thing I hate about English is its inconsistent pronounciation.

> I regret pointing out to her that "fruit" is one syllable like "froot" and 
> not two like "fru????ït" would be. It was so cute. :-)

  One word which took me a long time to learn to pronounce correctly is
"island". That 's' is just so confusing by being there, but being completely
silent.

  And I'm still not sure I'd pronounce the word "sure" properly. That's one
of the most difficult words in the entire English language, for sure.

  Sewer, shore, sir... no problem, but somehow "sure" is just evil. I can't
pronounce it properly. I hate that word.

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Warp wrote:
>   And I'm still not sure I'd pronounce the word "sure" properly. That's one
> of the most difficult words in the entire English language, for sure.

Heh. That reminds me of another one. My wife had been pronouncing "sugar" 
the way it was spelled, with no "sh" sound. Eventually I corrected her, and 
she got it right on and off for a while. Then one day at the table she asked 
me to pass the sh-s-s-sh-sh-s-sh... And I passed the sugar. So that became a 
running joke for a while.

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On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:10:35 +0200, clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:

>
>This reminds me of a famous TV show that's traditionally repeated over 
>and over again every new year's eve in German television - an old 
>black-and-white recording of a sketch played by Freddie Frinton and May 
>Warden somewhen somewhere, called "Dinner for One". Virtually every 
>German knows the dialogues by heart. One of Frintons lines, playing a 
>butler, is "Would you like some fruit"? - where he pronounces the 
>"fruit" exactly like that.
>
>So no, she's not the only one - even respectable English butlers apear 
>to be mispronouncing it at times... or maybe that's the /right/ way to 
>pronounce it?
>

Well Christoph, the British upper class pronounce things in their own way. The
Guardian's cartoonist's Steve Bell does a wonderful phonetic rendition. An
example can be found at the Monday May 26 link at 
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/stevebell/index.html#

I know the film you mean, funnily enough it was a German programmer who told me
about it about 10 years ago. 
The same as last year. :D

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     Stephen

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"Jeremy "UncleHoot" Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftwarecmo> wrote in message 
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>I can think of handful of examples of this.  In most of these cases, the 
>meaning has changed to the opposite, and it's quite confusing.
>
> "Gunning for you."  I my mind, it was just a few years ago when this 
> meant, "I'm rooting for you." or "I'm behind you 100%."  Now, it's just 
> the opposite.  "I'm coming after you." or "I'm going to try to stop you." 
> I believe the phrase probably originated in the trenches, and when you 
> left the trench, you surely hoped that your friends were gunning for you. 
> Or perhaps it had to do with tail-gunners.  If no one was gunning for you, 
> you were simply up there flying around while someone else was shooting at 
> you! I can still find a couple examples of the older definition on the 
> Web, so you don't think I'm just smoking crack. ;-)
> http://www.definition-of.com/gunning+for+you
> http://www.allwords.com/word-gun.html
>

I was actually wrong about this.  Using Google's book search, I was able to 
find the term dating back to at least 1905, and it was always used in the 
sense of "I'm coming after you."  But here is where things get tricky.  I 
might say, "I'm gunning for Obama to win," meaning "I want Obama to win." 
But if I said, "I'm gunning for Obama," it would mean that exact opposite. 
Very strange, and both are correct usages.

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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message 
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> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> She said "fuckin' English."  :-)
>
>  One thing I hate about English is its inconsistent pronounciation.
>
>  Mean, dean, clean, cleanse... wait, what?
>
>  Feather, leather, leader... huh?
>
>  Read, read (depending on tense).
>

My favorites: comb, tomb, bomb.  Not to mention the fact that "comb" should 
be spelled like "come", but "come" isn't even pronounced like it should be. 
How "dumb" is that?  hehe

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