I don't know when this started happening, but when I run Firefox it 
seems to be using an awful lot of CPU power and thrashing the HD quite a 
bit. Even when I haven't asked it to do anything. And when I close it, 
the window disappears, but it still shows up in Task Manage (and using 
quite a bit of CPU power) for about 30 seconds afterwards, and then it 
shuts.

Anybody have any idea why?

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I don't know when this started happening, but when I run Firefox it
> seems to be using an awful lot of CPU power and thrashing the HD quite a
> bit. Even when I haven't asked it to do anything. And when I close it,
> the window disappears, but it still shows up in Task Manage (and using
> quite a bit of CPU power) for about 30 seconds afterwards, and then it
> shuts.
>
> Anybody have any idea why?
>
> --
> http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
> http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*

That sounds suspicious to me.  What version?  Have you tried running it in safe
mode with your add-ons disabled, and seeing if it does the same thing?

-Reactor

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Anybody have any idea why?

I don't know if this is it, but I've had friends who had firefoxen that work 
really poorly because their history and/or cache has hundreds of thousands 
of entries in it, and firefox is just trying to update all the changes back out.

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> That sounds suspicious to me.  What version?  Have you tried running it in safe
> mode with your add-ons disabled, and seeing if it does the same thing?

Happens on two seperate PCs - one of which has AV on it. I *think* it's 
Firefox 3.0, but I could be wrong.

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Try to update to the newest version of Firefox 3.5 - had similar problems 
with an early 3.5 (forgot which subversion) - and it took ages to start.



This error has been fixed by now - if error it can be called. They develop 
primarily for Linux, the problem did lie with some windows libraries, if I 
remember correctly.



IF problems persist - to boot from a clean disk an run your favourite 
AV-program and/or Spybot Search&Destroy. A virus might be another possible 
explanation.

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On 09/15/09 11:15, Darren New wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> Anybody have any idea why?
>
> I don't know if this is it, but I've had friends who had firefoxen that
> work really poorly because their history and/or cache has hundreds of
> thousands of entries in it, and firefox is just trying to update all the
> changes back out.

	It's a factor, but it shouldn't result in too high CPU usage. Most 
likely it's an addon that's causing the trouble.

	If he's on Linux, then the Flash plugin is crap. It can continue to eat 
up CPU even if you close the tab that had the Flash application.

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On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:46:55 -0500, Neeum Zawan wrote:

> On 09/15/09 11:15, Darren New wrote:
>> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Anybody have any idea why?
>>
>> I don't know if this is it, but I've had friends who had firefoxen that
>> work really poorly because their history and/or cache has hundreds of
>> thousands of entries in it, and firefox is just trying to update all
>> the changes back out.
> 
> 	It's a factor, but it shouldn't result in too high CPU usage. Most
> likely it's an addon that's causing the trouble.
> 
> 	If he's on Linux, then the Flash plugin is crap. It can continue 
to eat
> up CPU even if you close the tab that had the Flash application.

Yeah, Flash or Acrobat, I've had both hang up and peg the CPU.

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Yeah, Flash or Acrobat, I've had both hang up and peg the CPU.

http://3laws.wordpress.com/2009/08/03/you-will-fail-at-everything-forever/

Flash is responsible for global warming!

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On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:48:11 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Yeah, Flash or Acrobat, I've had both hang up and peg the CPU.
> 
> http://3laws.wordpress.com/2009/08/03/you-will-fail-at-everything-
forever/
> 
> Flash is responsible for global warming!

LOL

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> I don't know when this started happening, but when I run Firefox it 
> seems to be using an awful lot of CPU power and thrashing the HD quite a 
> bit. Even when I haven't asked it to do anything. And when I close it, 
> the window disappears, but it still shows up in Task Manage (and using 
> quite a bit of CPU power) for about 30 seconds afterwards, and then it 
> shuts.
> 
> Anybody have any idea why?
> 
One thing I have a huge issue with is Flash. Seems to be a leak in there 
some place, when playing movies, where it will *refuse* to close at all, 
since it can't unload the fragmented mess created by playing too many of 
them. It gets worse if I have a lot of tabs open. In fact, when ever I 
get high CPU usage, or slow shut down, or even slow performance in other 
applications, its almost *always* the result of playing several Youtube 
videos, and the fact that I leave firefox open all the time.

-- 
void main () {
   If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
     if version = "Vista" {
       call slow_by_half();
       call DRM_everything();
     }
     call functional_code();
   }
   else
     call crash_windows();
}

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Patrick Elliott schrieb:
> One thing I have a huge issue with is Flash. Seems to be a leak in there 
> some place, when playing movies, where it will *refuse* to close at all, 
> since it can't unload the fragmented mess created by playing too many of 
> them. It gets worse if I have a lot of tabs open. In fact, when ever I 
> get high CPU usage, or slow shut down, or even slow performance in other 
> applications, its almost *always* the result of playing several Youtube 
> videos, and the fact that I leave firefox open all the time.

Hum... so from all I hear - I guess I'd better ditch my idea of 
switching from IE8 to Firefox, huh?

After all, really the only thing that bothers me about IE8 is that for 
the 64-bit version (which I've made standard on my Windows XP x64 
system) Adobe hasn't released a Flash player yet (can it really be 
*that* much of a problem?), so I always need to explicitly launch the 
32-bit version.

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clipka wrote:
> Patrick Elliott schrieb:
>> One thing I have a huge issue with is Flash. Seems to be a leak in
>> there some place, when playing movies, where it will *refuse* to close
>> at all, since it can't unload the fragmented mess created by playing
>> too many of them. It gets worse if I have a lot of tabs open. In fact,
>> when ever I get high CPU usage, or slow shut down, or even slow
>> performance in other applications, its almost *always* the result of
>> playing several Youtube videos, and the fact that I leave firefox open
>> all the time.

My laptop (C2D T5600, Linux x86_64) isn't fast enough to play most
flashvideos in the browser. If I download the video with eg. youtube-dl,
MPlayer plays the video with 1% CPU usage max.

That's just incredible piece of shit.

> After all, really the only thing that bothers me about IE8 is that for
> the 64-bit version (which I've made standard on my Windows XP x64
> system) Adobe hasn't released a Flash player yet (can it really be
> *that* much of a problem?), so I always need to explicitly launch the
> 32-bit version.

IIRC the Linux community waited 5 years (2004-2009 (I'm not perfectly
sure if they released it 2009 or 2008)) to get 64-bit Alpha-version of
Flash released. The quality is still incredibly low.

I wouldn't hold my breath...

-Aero

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clipka wrote:
> Patrick Elliott schrieb:
>> One thing I have a huge issue with is Flash. Seems to be a leak in 
>> there some place, when playing movies, where it will *refuse* to close 
>> at all, since it can't unload the fragmented mess created by playing 
>> too many of them. It gets worse if I have a lot of tabs open. In fact, 
>> when ever I get high CPU usage, or slow shut down, or even slow 
>> performance in other applications, its almost *always* the result of 
>> playing several Youtube videos, and the fact that I leave firefox open 
>> all the time.
> 
> Hum... so from all I hear - I guess I'd better ditch my idea of 
> switching from IE8 to Firefox, huh?
> 
> After all, really the only thing that bothers me about IE8 is that for 
> the 64-bit version (which I've made standard on my Windows XP x64 
> system) Adobe hasn't released a Flash player yet (can it really be 
> *that* much of a problem?), so I always need to explicitly launch the 
> 32-bit version.
That's a bit like saying, "Guess I should forget about switching from 
the car which has a tendency to break gas lines and explode, to ones 
that needs its air filter changed too much.", isn't it?

IE, and I have to assume 8 is the same, had similar, and often far 
worse, issues with some plugins. Its just, when that breaks, it tends to 
be cataclysmic, not simply annoying.

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void main () {
   If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
     if version = "Vista" {
       call slow_by_half();
       call DRM_everything();
     }
     call functional_code();
   }
   else
     call crash_windows();
}

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On 09/17/09 10:49, Eero Ahonen wrote:
> My laptop (C2D T5600, Linux x86_64) isn't fast enough to play most
> flashvideos in the browser. If I download the video with eg. youtube-dl,
> MPlayer plays the video with 1% CPU usage max.
>
> That's just incredible piece of shit.

	I believe that shouldn't be a problem in Windows. It's the Linux flash 
plugin that notoriously fails at using your video card.


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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> IIRC the Linux community waited 5 years (2004-2009 (I'm not perfectly
> sure if they released it 2009 or 2008)) to get 64-bit Alpha-version of
> Flash released. The quality is still incredibly low.

They didn't exactly wait.  They were developing their own OSS flash 
player, until Adobe noticed.  Around 2007, Adobe promised a native 64 
bit flash player, and that kind of killed development.  In 2008, they 
again said "real soon now."  Earlier this year, they got the alpha 
version released.

Personally, this is one thing I'd like to see an OSS version that I 
could use, since I'm trying to get as much software as possible in the 
64bit form.

...Chambers

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Chambers wrote:
> 
> They didn't exactly wait.  They were developing their own OSS flash
> player, until Adobe noticed.  

Well yes, that's true. I do still count is as waiting ie. the original
manufacturer isn't active.

Actually it wasn't even Adobe back then, it was still Macromedia :-).

Linux in general never got Flash 8 - Macromedia decided that it's not
needed. After Flash 6 the Flash 10 has been the first Linux -version
that I haven't found a memory leak from. Version 7 leaked big time at
first (something like half an hour -> 500MB oslt, doing nothing), which
was fixed pretty quickly, but smaller leaks was left behind. Also note
that the fact that I haven't found a memory leak from Flash 10 doesn't
100% surely mean there isn't one - it's possible that it just hasn't
occured to me.

> Around 2007, Adobe promised a native 64
> bit flash player, and that kind of killed development.  In 2008, they
> again said "real soon now."  Earlier this year, they got the alpha
> version released.

Yep. And that alpha version sucked big time, but that's normal for an
alpha version. The newest version now* is much better, but it's still buggy.

*) Newest from Portage - I haven't checked if Portage is lagging behind.

> Personally, this is one thing I'd like to see an OSS version that I
> could use, since I'm trying to get as much software as possible in the
> 64bit form.

I'd like to see an OSS version of some open flash-like technology for
multiple reasons. Especially I'd like to seen open technology (somehow I
don't fully trust on Silverlight, even though MS has given big promises
about it).

> ...Chambers

-Aero

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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> I'd like to see an OSS version of some open flash-like technology 

I think they're calling it HTML5. :-)

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Darren New wrote:
> Eero Ahonen wrote:
>> I'd like to see an OSS version of some open flash-like technology 
> 
> I think they're calling it HTML5. :-)
> 

Might be true and would sound great. I haven't even checked HTML5 yet.

-Aero

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