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nemesis wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote:
>> nemesis wrote:
>>> "familiarity", "peace of mind"... LOL
>> Why is that funny?
>
> It's the politically correct tone, or something like that.
Ah, OK. Yes, now that you mention it, it's sort of like
SPOILERS FOR THE MOVIE EQUILIBRIUM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbP2djP0h5g#t=2m14s
"Calmly. Cooly. Entirely without incident."
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
> >> BTW, OpenOffice beats down the new MS Office in familiarity factor...
> > Sort of. The new office is easier to use tho.
>
> BTW, did you see the designs for the "ribbon" interface?
>
>
http://www.geek.com/articles/news/openoffice-experiments-with-a-ribbon-interface-20090812/
>
> The difference, of course, is that OO developers are going to guess how the
> ribbon should be designed, and MS actually spent years looking over the use
> patterns of 14 million users to decide.
use patterns of 14 millions users... and somehow got something completely
different and awkward for someone used to the old way...
That's why I prefer vi and emacs: solid, well-grounded 30+ years interface
design... ;)
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nemesis wrote:
> use patterns of 14 millions users... and somehow got something completely
> different and awkward for someone used to the old way...
Yet everything I've heard, people like it much better after actually using
it for a day.
My favorite quote was when the lead designer of the new interface was
showing it to his wife, and she complained "Why is <whatever> under the view
tab? That makes no sense." And he answered "Because that's where 97.3% of
everyone looks for it first." :-)
> That's why I prefer vi and emacs: solid, well-grounded 30+ years interface
> design... ;)
Yup. I haven't had to retrain my fingers for vi in forever. :-) I used emacs
for a couple years when I was using a language that had much better
indenting support under emacs than under vi, and I never did learn to like
it. But to each his own, of course.
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Darren New schrieb:
> Yet everything I've heard, people like it much better after actually
> using it for a day.
It's a PITA though if your main job involves only occasional use of
Office, and you have the old stuff at home... That sucks.
>> That's why I prefer vi and emacs: solid, well-grounded 30+ years
>> interface
>> design... ;)
Yuck^2 !
You can only learn to love *that* interface if you're locked up in a
room with no more than a Linux computer locked down in such a way that
the only way of interacting with the outside world is via the vi
interface - for a *month* at least!
Even then, I suspect it will cause mental defects and emancipate dental
fillings in semi-rare cases :-P
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clipka wrote:
> Darren New schrieb:
>> Yet everything I've heard, people like it much better after actually
>> using it for a day.
>
> It's a PITA though if your main job involves only occasional use of
> Office, and you have the old stuff at home... That sucks.
Well, switching back and forth is annoying, but if it's only occasional use
it's really not that much of a problem. It's not like one memorizes
keystrokes as in vi or emacs.
This is exactly my situation, and it's really not a problem.
> You can only learn to love *that* interface if you're locked up in a
> room with no more than a Linux computer locked down in such a way that
> the only way of interacting with the outside world is via the vi
> interface - for a *month* at least!
Ehn. I learned vi back when emacs' execution size was bigger than the
address space available in real mode and vi would run in 64k. :-)
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Darren New wrote:
>
> Yet everything I've heard, people like it much better after actually
> using it for a day.
Having it installed and used for something like 2 months hasn't been
enough for me. The basic idea seems to work, but there are options that
I just can't find (eg. security level for running macros in Excel).
I'm not a heavy user on MSO, though, but when I use it, I usually do
something normal users don't...
-Aero
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clipka wrote:
>
> You can only learn to love *that* interface if you're locked up in a
> room with no more than a Linux computer locked down in such a way that
> the only way of interacting with the outside world is via the vi
> interface - for a *month* at least!
>
> Even then, I suspect it will cause mental defects and emancipate dental
> fillings in semi-rare cases :-P
After having to use Vi for couple of hours, I even efforted to find
Vi-compatible editor for Windows to use at work. It's just so fast and
practical - somehow <esc>:w! is faster than ctrl+s for me (technically
it should be just the opposite).
http://www.winvi.de/en/download.html
-Aero
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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> After having to use Vi for couple of hours, I even efforted to find
> Vi-compatible editor for Windows to use at work.
"GVIM" is the usual answer to this. http://www.vim.org/
That's probably just the most widely used version, and it's the same "vim"
as on Linux and all that. Lots of good extensions over standard vi, while
still being finger-compatible.
> It's just so fast and practical
The one thing I missed most when I was using emacs was the "." command.
In any case, just so you know, vi vs emacs arguments are a classic flamefest.
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Eero Ahonen schrieb:
> Having it installed and used for something like 2 months hasn't been
> enough for me. The basic idea seems to work, but there are options that
> I just can't find (eg. security level for running macros in Excel).
Maybe because 99.999% of all users never search for that /anywhere/, so
that's exactly where they possibly placed it...? :-)
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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> I just can't find (eg. security level for running macros in Excel).
I just fired it up, hit F1, and typed "security level for running macros".
I got an entire tutorial on it, including how to sign code and links to
things like "how to turn off security warnings permanently" on other pages.
I'm guessing you're missing the developer tab, which you have to explicitly
turn on according to the docs.
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clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> Darren New schrieb:
> > Yet everything I've heard, people like it much better after actually
> > using it for a day.
>
> It's a PITA though if your main job involves only occasional use of
> Office, and you have the old stuff at home... That sucks.
>
> >> That's why I prefer vi and emacs: solid, well-grounded 30+ years
> >> interface
> >> design... ;)
>
> Yuck^2 !
>
> You can only learn to love *that* interface if you're locked up in a
> room with no more than a Linux computer locked down in such a way that
> the only way of interacting with the outside world is via the vi
> interface - for a *month* at least!
It was an obvious joke. :)
In any case, I learned vi(m) about 4 years ago and decided to drop emacs
altogether. It's an incredibly full-featured and easy editor once you get past
the initial fear. Specially when combined with ctags.
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nemesis wrote:
> Specially when combined with ctags.
I could really use a ctags that works with C++ these days. :-(
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
> > Specially when combined with ctags.
>
> I could really use a ctags that works with C++ these days. :-(
http://ctags.sourceforge.net
never heard of it until seeing it recommended in the vim manual... truthfully
highly recommended! :)
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nemesis wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> nemesis wrote:
>>> Specially when combined with ctags.
>> I could really use a ctags that works with C++ these days. :-(
>
> http://ctags.sourceforge.net
>
> never heard of it until seeing it recommended in the vim manual... truthfully
> highly recommended! :)
I'm pretty sure that's the version I'm using, and it works really
craptasticly for the source files I'm working with. It might just be that
the source files are so f'ed in organization.
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Darren New wrote:
>
> In any case, just so you know, vi vs emacs arguments are a classic
> flamefest.
>
Yes they are. I was talking about Vi vs Notepad/Metapad/etc ;).
-Aero
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Darren New wrote:
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> I just fired it up, hit F1, and typed "security level for running macros".
With O2k I learned that VBA help is actually pretty good, but while I
could find pretty much anything available easily on E2k and E2k3, I
hadn't yet needed the help on Excel itself. Maybe I should check it on
2007 ;).
> I got an entire tutorial on it, including how to sign code and links to
> things like "how to turn off security warnings permanently" on other pages.
I want the middle option (ask for macros, which are done signed by known
person).
> I'm guessing you're missing the developer tab, which you have to
> explicitly turn on according to the docs.
Might be, I'll need to check that.
There was also some other option I tried to look for, but I can't
remember what it was (I guess I solved that problem quickly by using 2003).
-Aero
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On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:06:28 -0700, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>and it works really craptasticly
LOL, I like it :)
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
> > Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> >> nemesis wrote:
> >>> Specially when combined with ctags.
> >> I could really use a ctags that works with C++ these days. :-(
> >
> > http://ctags.sourceforge.net
> >
> > never heard of it until seeing it recommended in the vim manual... truthfully
> > highly recommended! :)
>
> I'm pretty sure that's the version I'm using, and it works really
> craptasticly for the source files I'm working with. It might just be that
> the source files are so f'ed in organization.
By default ctags don't generate tags for function prototypes (go figure). Do
like this to get away with this dumb limitation:
ctags -R --C++-kinds=+p
to view all such options:
ctags -R --list-kinds=C++
hope that helps...
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Warp wrote:
> Damn that Linux with its 3% market share...
>
>
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/09/microsoft-teaches-best-buy-employees-how-to-troll-linux-users.ars
>
Do they /really/ feel that threatened by Linux?
Granted, I use and like Windows... But, this presentation borders on
absurd...
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Mike Raiford wrote:
> Do they /really/ feel that threatened by Linux?
>
> Granted, I use and like Windows... But, this presentation borders on
> absurd...
Does it?
I mean, think about this. How often do you watch TV and see adverts spit
out completely unsubstantiated claims like "the UK's number one haircare
product" or "significantly outperforms competing brands"? Most people
don't pay the slightest bit of attention to this shallow marketing drivel.
Granted, most TV advertisers don't teach Best Buy to scare customers off
of competing brands... that *is* a little bit suspect. But how many
Renault dealerships will tell you that BWM cars are unreliable?
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nemesis wrote:
> hope that helps...
Excellent. I'll give that a try!
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Invisible wrote:
> Granted, most TV advertisers don't teach Best Buy to scare customers off
> of competing brands...
Are you sure?
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>> Granted, most TV advertisers don't teach Best Buy to scare customers
>> off of competing brands...
>
> Are you sure?
Did I qualify that with "most"?
I'm sure shops probably teach their staff to push whatever has the
biggest profit margin, but I doubt the original manufacturer gets
directly involved very much.
(Having said that, they day I visited Chappell, the Roland
representative was in the shop. Oddly enough, I came home with a Boss
8-track...)
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Invisible wrote:
> but I doubt the original manufacturer gets
> directly involved very much.
That's what I'm questioning. Do you imagine they don't send out brochures
telling the salespeople the good points of their machines? That's all this
thing really was, except it was web pages on MS's site.
Actually, yes, since the TVs are expensive enough to pay people, they
probably send salesmen around to do the teaching. Microsoft doesn't sell to
Circuit City, so they have to go indirect like this.
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Darren New wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> but I doubt the original manufacturer gets directly involved very much.
>
> That's what I'm questioning. Do you imagine they don't send out
> brochures telling the salespeople the good points of their machines?
> That's all this thing really was, except it was web pages on MS's site.
Indeed. And when you put it like that, suddenly it doesn't seem so
surprising any more...
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On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:55:22 -0400, gregjohn wrote:
> Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>> Damn that Linux with its 3% market share...
>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/09/microsoft-teaches-best-
buy-employees-how-to-troll-linux-users.ars
>>
>>
>
> I bet Windows7 will never drop support for video or wifi drivers with an
> upgrade for ideological (RMS) reasons.
There's a practical reason as well. If it's not OSS, the interaction is
something that's not known, and often times when a vendor releases a
Linux driver as closed-source they don't properly support it - they treat
it as if they're "throwing Linux a bone". I've run into that with video
drivers for an older IBM Thinkpad (back when it wasn't older). ATI
provided the drivers, but when I reported a problem to them, they told me
to talk to IBM. Duh, it's ATI's driver, and I wanted to let THEM know of
a problem in the driver I downloaded from THEIR website.
But they wouldn't talk to me.
Now if the driver had been OSS, I could've had someone in the OSS
community look at it.
Jim
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Darren New wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> Specially when combined with ctags.
>
> I could really use a ctags that works with C++ these days. :-(
>
Get OmniCpp: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1520
And ctags: http://ctags.sourceforge.net
Then when generating the ctags database, add
--c++-kinds=+p --fields=+iaS --extra=+q
(as documented in OmniCpp help)
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> BTW, did you see the designs for the "ribbon" interface?
>
>
http://www.geek.com/articles/news/openoffice-experiments-with-a-ribbon-interface-20090812/
>
> The difference, of course, is that OO developers are going to guess how
> the ribbon should be designed, and MS actually spent years looking over
> the use patterns of 14 million users to decide.
They don't have to guess, they can just copy the MS design.
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> I mean, think about this. How often do you watch TV and see adverts spit
> out completely unsubstantiated claims like "the UK's number one haircare
> product" or "significantly outperforms competing brands"? Most people
> don't pay the slightest bit of attention to this shallow marketing drivel.
But some do, and that's the whole point of advertising.
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scott wrote:
>> BTW, did you see the designs for the "ribbon" interface?
>>
>>
http://www.geek.com/articles/news/openoffice-experiments-with-a-ribbon-interface-20090812/
>>
>>
>> The difference, of course, is that OO developers are going to guess
>> how the ribbon should be designed, and MS actually spent years looking
>> over the use patterns of 14 million users to decide.
>
> They don't have to guess, they can just copy the MS design.
>
>
Which MS probably copied from some guy who is now on food stamps,
because his company came up with the idea, but couldn't market it before
MS stoled the idea. Just saying..
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void main () {
If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
if version = "Vista" {
call slow_by_half();
call DRM_everything();
}
call functional_code();
}
else
call crash_windows();
}
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scott wrote:
>> I mean, think about this. How often do you watch TV and see adverts
>> spit out completely unsubstantiated claims like "the UK's number one
>> haircare product" or "significantly outperforms competing brands"?
>> Most people don't pay the slightest bit of attention to this shallow
>> marketing drivel.
>
> But some do, and that's the whole point of advertising.
>
>
Hmm. Never mind that, at least in the US, this is illegal as hell, if
someone decides to sue you on the basis that you made the claim, but its
**not actually true**.
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void main () {
If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
if version = "Vista" {
call slow_by_half();
call DRM_everything();
}
call functional_code();
}
else
call crash_windows();
}
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> Hmm. Never mind that, at least in the US, this is illegal as hell, if
> someone decides to sue you on the basis that you made the claim, but its
> **not actually true**.
Oh usually the exact thing they claim is 100% true, they just word it very
cleverly to avoid it being illegal, but also to make it sound as good as
possible (usually with creative uses of font sizes and colours).
Common things are to do studies yourself on very small samples, then claim
your product is preferred by the majority of people. Or to find some small
magazine to do a test with your product (of course giving them lots of free
samples), then claiming your product is the best according to the magazine
(of course the "best" bit is in massive font size with the details being in
1pt).
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>> Hmm. Never mind that, at least in the US, this is illegal as hell, if
>> someone decides to sue you on the basis that you made the claim, but
>> its **not actually true**.
>
> Oh usually the exact thing they claim is 100% true, they just word it
> very cleverly to avoid it being illegal, but also to make it sound as
> good as possible (usually with creative uses of font sizes and colours).
>
> Common things are to do studies yourself on very small samples, then
> claim your product is preferred by the majority of people. Or to find
> some small magazine to do a test with your product (of course giving
> them lots of free samples), then claiming your product is the best
> according to the magazine (of course the "best" bit is in massive font
> size with the details being in 1pt).
Or to say one thing, which is technically true, but worded so as to
*imply* something quite different, which isn't true.
My favourit one is price comparison websites. "95% of our customers
saved money by switching to us!" What, you mean 5% of people DIDN'T save
any money and yet still switched?! You have some pretty stupid
customers. :-P
Of course, if you just listen to it without thinking too much, it
*sounds* like a great company. Until you realise why that statistic is
there; people come, check the price, and if it's lower they sign up. So
their customers are *by definition* the people who happen to save money.
Not too surprising that they all saved money then, eh?
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scott wrote:
> Common things are to do studies yourself on very small samples, then
> claim your product is preferred by the majority of people. Or to find
> some small magazine to do a test with your product (of course giving
> them lots of free samples), then claiming your product is the best
> according to the magazine (of course the "best" bit is in massive font
> size with the details being in 1pt).
It also works even if you don't skew the results by giving lots of free
samples...there are enough small magazines and obscure awards out there
that as long as you have a competitive product, chances are you can find
*some* award that's legitimate..."best picture at small-town upstate New
York film festival!" or "Jan Smith's 30-print-run culinary magazine
favourite!" kind of things (except you leave out 'small-town' and
'30-print-run').
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scott wrote:
> They don't have to guess, they can just copy the MS design.
Not really, since OO does different things than MS does. They could
probably, in broad strokes, do it that way, yes.
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Which MS probably copied from some guy who is now on food stamps,
> because his company came up with the idea, but couldn't market it before
> MS stoled the idea. Just saying..
Really? Do you have a cite for that? Because the video I watched explained
how they developed it over the course of five years or so based on data they
collected from millions of users.
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Hmm. Never mind that, at least in the US, this is illegal as hell,
Only if it's a believable claim. That's why you can see Dominos saying "we
have the best pizza in the world" but not "Our pizza is better than Pizza Hut."
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I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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>> Hmm. Never mind that, at least in the US, this is illegal as hell,
>
> Only if it's a believable claim. That's why you can see Dominos saying
> "we have the best pizza in the world" but not "Our pizza is better than
> Pizza Hut."
Is *that* how Lynx gets away with claiming that it will turn you into an
irresistable babe-magnet when this is manifestly not true?
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Darren New wrote:
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> Which MS probably copied from some guy who is now on food stamps,
>> because his company came up with the idea, but couldn't market it
>> before MS stoled the idea. Just saying..
>
> Really? Do you have a cite for that? Because the video I watched
> explained how they developed it over the course of five years or so
> based on data they collected from millions of users.
>
Its called a joke...
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void main () {
If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
if version = "Vista" {
call slow_by_half();
call DRM_everything();
}
call functional_code();
}
else
call crash_windows();
}
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Darren New wrote:
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> Hmm. Never mind that, at least in the US, this is illegal as hell,
>
> Only if it's a believable claim. That's why you can see Dominos saying
> "we have the best pizza in the world" but not "Our pizza is better than
> Pizza Hut."
>
I have tried their pizza. They *might* be able to claim they are the
best "fast food" pizza in the world, and even then I tend to think they
win out only because of how ***horrible*** all the other ones where for
most of their first 10 or so years, but best anyplace? Gah...
--
void main () {
If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
if version = "Vista" {
call slow_by_half();
call DRM_everything();
}
call functional_code();
}
else
call crash_windows();
}
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>> Only if it's a believable claim. That's why you can see Dominos saying
>> "we have the best pizza in the world" but not "Our pizza is better
>> than Pizza Hut."
>>
> I have tried their pizza. They *might* be able to claim they are the
> best "fast food" pizza in the world, and even then I tend to think they
> win out only because of how ***horrible*** all the other ones where for
> most of their first 10 or so years, but best anyplace? Gah...
I don't know if it's different in America, but I had Dominos pizza the
other week, and it was rubbish. Pizza Hut is far nicer...
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Its called a joke...
Sounded more like a dumb-ass FUD rant. Just sayin'. :-)
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I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:41:27 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Only if it's a believable claim. That's why you can see Dominos saying
>>> "we have the best pizza in the world" but not "Our pizza is better
>>> than Pizza Hut."
>>>
>> I have tried their pizza. They *might* be able to claim they are the
>> best "fast food" pizza in the world, and even then I tend to think they
>> win out only because of how ***horrible*** all the other ones where for
>> most of their first 10 or so years, but best anyplace? Gah...
>
> I don't know if it's different in America, but I had Dominos pizza the
> other week, and it was rubbish. Pizza Hut is far nicer...
Nope, pretty much the same here. But I'll take pizza from The Pie pretty
much any day (not a national chain).
Jim
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>> Only if it's a believable claim. That's why you can see Dominos saying
>> "we have the best pizza in the world" but not "Our pizza is better than
>> Pizza Hut."
>>
> I have tried their pizza. They *might* be able to claim they are the best
> "fast food" pizza in the world,
I doubt it, and anyone who has been to Italy and picked up a slice of Pizza
from *any* side-of-the-road place they would doubt it too.
Maybe the best fast food Pizza in America.
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On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:04:46 +0200, "scott" <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
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>I doubt it, and anyone who has been to Italy and picked up a slice of Pizza
>from *any* side-of-the-road place they would doubt it too.
>
I had a street pizza in Naples cooked on a stone in the street. It was so good
I've stopped eating pizzas now. Reality can disappoint you in other ways :(
--
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Stephen
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> I had a street pizza in Naples cooked on a stone in the street. It was so
> good
> I've stopped eating pizzas now. Reality can disappoint you in other ways
> :(
The same happened to me with the ice-cream.
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On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:23:55 +0200, "scott" <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
>> I had a street pizza in Naples cooked on a stone in the street. It was so
>> good
>> I've stopped eating pizzas now. Reality can disappoint you in other ways
>> :(
>
>The same happened to me with the ice-cream.
>
Now, I was brought up in Glasgow where a lot of Italians settled after WW II.
And what business did they start? Restaurants, chip shops and ice cream
parlours. So I grew up eating gelato from a poci (poco) hat.
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Stephen
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> Now, I was brought up in Glasgow where a lot of Italians settled after WW
> II.
> And what business did they start? Restaurants, chip shops and ice cream
> parlours. So I grew up eating gelato from a poci (poco) hat.
Oh we have lots of Italians round here too (it's only a 2 hour drive to the
Italian border). But still most of the parlours here and worse than most of
the parlours in Italy. Plus the German ones all seem to use those metal
scoops to ensure everyone will get their exact sized portion +/- 1 mL. In
Italy most seem to just use a wooden spatula and pile it on until no more
will fit :-) And generally, the range of flavours on offer is considerably
better in Italy than Germany.
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On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:29:36 +0200, "scott" <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
> And generally, the range of flavours on offer is considerably
>better in Italy than Germany.
>
No contest, in Scotland it was white ice cream with or without raspberry.
The situation was different with ex POWs settling into the community not
neighbours from across the border.
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Stephen
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Stephen wrote:
> I had a street pizza in Naples cooked on a stone in the street. It was so good
> I've stopped eating pizzas now. Reality can disappoint you in other ways :(
http://www.bash.org/?16475
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