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Invisible wrote:
> but I doubt the original manufacturer gets
> directly involved very much.
That's what I'm questioning. Do you imagine they don't send out brochures
telling the salespeople the good points of their machines? That's all this
thing really was, except it was web pages on MS's site.
Actually, yes, since the TVs are expensive enough to pay people, they
probably send salesmen around to do the teaching. Microsoft doesn't sell to
Circuit City, so they have to go indirect like this.
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Darren New wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> but I doubt the original manufacturer gets directly involved very much.
>
> That's what I'm questioning. Do you imagine they don't send out
> brochures telling the salespeople the good points of their machines?
> That's all this thing really was, except it was web pages on MS's site.
Indeed. And when you put it like that, suddenly it doesn't seem so
surprising any more...
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On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:55:22 -0400, gregjohn wrote:
> Warp <war### [at] tag povrayorg> wrote:
>> Damn that Linux with its 3% market share...
>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/09/microsoft-teaches-best-
buy-employees-how-to-troll-linux-users.ars
>>
>>
>
> I bet Windows7 will never drop support for video or wifi drivers with an
> upgrade for ideological (RMS) reasons.
There's a practical reason as well. If it's not OSS, the interaction is
something that's not known, and often times when a vendor releases a
Linux driver as closed-source they don't properly support it - they treat
it as if they're "throwing Linux a bone". I've run into that with video
drivers for an older IBM Thinkpad (back when it wasn't older). ATI
provided the drivers, but when I reported a problem to them, they told me
to talk to IBM. Duh, it's ATI's driver, and I wanted to let THEM know of
a problem in the driver I downloaded from THEIR website.
But they wouldn't talk to me.
Now if the driver had been OSS, I could've had someone in the OSS
community look at it.
Jim
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Darren New wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> Specially when combined with ctags.
>
> I could really use a ctags that works with C++ these days. :-(
>
Get OmniCpp: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1520
And ctags: http://ctags.sourceforge.net
Then when generating the ctags database, add
--c++-kinds=+p --fields=+iaS --extra=+q
(as documented in OmniCpp help)
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> BTW, did you see the designs for the "ribbon" interface?
>
>
http://www.geek.com/articles/news/openoffice-experiments-with-a-ribbon-interface-20090812/
>
> The difference, of course, is that OO developers are going to guess how
> the ribbon should be designed, and MS actually spent years looking over
> the use patterns of 14 million users to decide.
They don't have to guess, they can just copy the MS design.
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> I mean, think about this. How often do you watch TV and see adverts spit
> out completely unsubstantiated claims like "the UK's number one haircare
> product" or "significantly outperforms competing brands"? Most people
> don't pay the slightest bit of attention to this shallow marketing drivel.
But some do, and that's the whole point of advertising.
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scott wrote:
>> BTW, did you see the designs for the "ribbon" interface?
>>
>>
http://www.geek.com/articles/news/openoffice-experiments-with-a-ribbon-interface-20090812/
>>
>>
>> The difference, of course, is that OO developers are going to guess
>> how the ribbon should be designed, and MS actually spent years looking
>> over the use patterns of 14 million users to decide.
>
> They don't have to guess, they can just copy the MS design.
>
>
Which MS probably copied from some guy who is now on food stamps,
because his company came up with the idea, but couldn't market it before
MS stoled the idea. Just saying..
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void main () {
If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
if version = "Vista" {
call slow_by_half();
call DRM_everything();
}
call functional_code();
}
else
call crash_windows();
}
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scott wrote:
>> I mean, think about this. How often do you watch TV and see adverts
>> spit out completely unsubstantiated claims like "the UK's number one
>> haircare product" or "significantly outperforms competing brands"?
>> Most people don't pay the slightest bit of attention to this shallow
>> marketing drivel.
>
> But some do, and that's the whole point of advertising.
>
>
Hmm. Never mind that, at least in the US, this is illegal as hell, if
someone decides to sue you on the basis that you made the claim, but its
**not actually true**.
--
void main () {
if version = "Vista" {
call slow_by_half();
call DRM_everything();
}
call functional_code();
}
else
call crash_windows();
}
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3D Content, and 3D Software at DAZ3D!</A>
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> Hmm. Never mind that, at least in the US, this is illegal as hell, if
> someone decides to sue you on the basis that you made the claim, but its
> **not actually true**.
Oh usually the exact thing they claim is 100% true, they just word it very
cleverly to avoid it being illegal, but also to make it sound as good as
possible (usually with creative uses of font sizes and colours).
Common things are to do studies yourself on very small samples, then claim
your product is preferred by the majority of people. Or to find some small
magazine to do a test with your product (of course giving them lots of free
samples), then claiming your product is the best according to the magazine
(of course the "best" bit is in massive font size with the details being in
1pt).
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>> Hmm. Never mind that, at least in the US, this is illegal as hell, if
>> someone decides to sue you on the basis that you made the claim, but
>> its **not actually true**.
>
> Oh usually the exact thing they claim is 100% true, they just word it
> very cleverly to avoid it being illegal, but also to make it sound as
> good as possible (usually with creative uses of font sizes and colours).
>
> Common things are to do studies yourself on very small samples, then
> claim your product is preferred by the majority of people. Or to find
> some small magazine to do a test with your product (of course giving
> them lots of free samples), then claiming your product is the best
> according to the magazine (of course the "best" bit is in massive font
> size with the details being in 1pt).
Or to say one thing, which is technically true, but worded so as to
*imply* something quite different, which isn't true.
My favourit one is price comparison websites. "95% of our customers
saved money by switching to us!" What, you mean 5% of people DIDN'T save
any money and yet still switched?! You have some pretty stupid
customers. :-P
Of course, if you just listen to it without thinking too much, it
*sounds* like a great company. Until you realise why that statistic is
there; people come, check the price, and if it's lower they sign up. So
their customers are *by definition* the people who happen to save money.
Not too surprising that they all saved money then, eh?
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