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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkUzfAfwP1A
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On 09/07/09 21:31, Darren New wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkUzfAfwP1A
Did I miss something? Was there an unoriginal version?
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Neeum Zawan wrote:
> On 09/07/09 21:31, Darren New wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkUzfAfwP1A
>
> Did I miss something? Was there an unoriginal version?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfkDxF2kn1I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELyTBXzfQJ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IzNPEGWNos
And probably about 300 more.
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Darren New schrieb:
> Neeum Zawan wrote:
>> On 09/07/09 21:31, Darren New wrote:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkUzfAfwP1A
>>
>> Did I miss something? Was there an unoriginal version?
>
> And probably about 300 more.
And all version are not funny for native Germans, because we understand
the original language, which ruins the jokes. :-/
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On 09/07/09 23:23, Darren New wrote:
>> Did I miss something? Was there an unoriginal version?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfkDxF2kn1I
Oh - OK. I saw the movie before I saw any of those clips...
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Bonsai wrote:
> And all version are not funny for native Germans, because we understand
> the original language, which ruins the jokes. :-/
You know, I had actually wondered that at some point. :-)
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Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkUzfAfwP1A
Interesting question: Overacting, or accurate depiction?
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Warp schrieb:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkUzfAfwP1A
>
> Interesting question: Overacting, or accurate depiction?
I'm not sure; I wouldn't be surprised about either of the two. He was
said to have been choleric, causing his staff to become reluctant to
give him bad news, which in turn is likely to have detached him more and
more from the not-so-good reality of the war he had started, which in
turn will have contributed to the intensity of his choleric rages.
The events in "Der Untergang" take time shortly before the fall of
Berlin, at a time where this man's world of an arian super-race destined
for victory had crumbled to dust. People can get pretty mental when all
they have been believing in turns out wrong.
On the other hand, it is pretty comforting for Germans to attribute
Hitler's emphatic speeches to choleric madness rather than charisma.
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clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> I'm not sure; I wouldn't be surprised about either of the two. He was
> said to have been choleric, causing his staff to become reluctant to
> give him bad news, which in turn is likely to have detached him more and
> more from the not-so-good reality of the war he had started, which in
> turn will have contributed to the intensity of his choleric rages.
Watching some of Hitler's actual speeches, it actually doesn't feel like
the actor in that movie is overacting at all...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q-6H4xOUrs
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Warp schrieb:
> Watching some of Hitler's actual speeches, it actually doesn't feel like
> the actor in that movie is overacting at all...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q-6H4xOUrs
That video is unavailable in Germany, allegedly due to
licensing/copyright stuff.
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Am Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:00:22 -0400 schrieb Warp:
> Watching some of Hitler's actual speeches, it actually doesn't feel
> like
> the actor in that movie is overacting at all...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q-6H4xOUrs
Can't seem to get that here (copyright restrictions), but I agree with
your point. Still I think one should note, that behaviour, which seems
exagerrated and even funny today, at that time might have been seen as
quite impressive and charismatic. (One example is the rolling "r", which
was used much more back than I think - I can't really pronounce it like
that :)). But come to think of it, it might also have to do with south
german / austrian origin of Hitler. I have sometimes trouble
understanding Bavarians.
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clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> Warp schrieb:
> > Watching some of Hitler's actual speeches, it actually doesn't feel like
> > the actor in that movie is overacting at all...
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q-6H4xOUrs
> That video is unavailable in Germany, allegedly due to
> licensing/copyright stuff.
Actually I'm not surprised those videos are banned in Germany due to
"copyright" (yeah, right).
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Am Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:18:05 -0400 schrieb Warp:
> Actually I'm not surprised those videos are banned in Germany due to
> "copyright" (yeah, right).
That's youtube banning, not germany.
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On 09/08/09 15:31, Florian Pesth wrote:
> Am Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:18:05 -0400 schrieb Warp:
>
>> Actually I'm not surprised those videos are banned in Germany due to
>> "copyright" (yeah, right).
>
> That's youtube banning, not germany.
If Google/Youtube has any offices in Germany, they're required to abide
by German laws.
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On 09/08/09 15:00, Warp wrote:
> Watching some of Hitler's actual speeches, it actually doesn't feel like
> the actor in that movie is overacting at all...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q-6H4xOUrs
There's a big difference between giving a speech in public and doing it
in private. I've seen lots of politicians give fiery speeches like the
one in that video - but they don't have a reputation of being like that
in person. People often exaggerate their emotions in speeches.
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Warp schrieb:
> clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
>> Warp schrieb:
>>> Watching some of Hitler's actual speeches, it actually doesn't feel like
>>> the actor in that movie is overacting at all...
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q-6H4xOUrs
>
>> That video is unavailable in Germany, allegedly due to
>> licensing/copyright stuff.
>
> Actually I'm not surprised those videos are banned in Germany due to
> "copyright" (yeah, right).
I guess that's actually Youtube's generic way of saying "in order to not
risk getting into any legal trouble, we prefer to not give you that".
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Neeum Zawan schrieb:
>>> Actually I'm not surprised those videos are banned in Germany due to
>>> "copyright" (yeah, right).
>>
>> That's youtube banning, not germany.
>
> If Google/Youtube has any offices in Germany, they're required to
> abide by German laws.
Yes, but I guess they also have reserved the freedom (via terms of use)
to ban stuff even if they just /suspect/ that it /might/ get them into
trouble.
Nazi stuff is a very delicate issue over here, so I wouldn't be
surprised if Youtube just chose to play it safe on that matter, and
avoids playing anything that even remotely looks like it could be
mistaken for Neonazi propaganda.
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Am Wed, 09 Sep 2009 01:17:26 +0200 schrieb clipka:
> Neeum Zawan schrieb:
>>>> Actually I'm not surprised those videos are banned in Germany due
>>>> to
>>>> "copyright" (yeah, right).
>>>
>>> That's youtube banning, not germany.
>>
>> If Google/Youtube has any offices in Germany, they're required to
>> abide by German laws.
>
> Yes, but I guess they also have reserved the freedom (via terms of use)
> to ban stuff even if they just /suspect/ that it /might/ get them into
> trouble.
>
> Nazi stuff is a very delicate issue over here, so I wouldn't be
> surprised if Youtube just chose to play it safe on that matter, and
> avoids playing anything that even remotely looks like it could be
> mistaken for Neonazi propaganda.
Yes, that is exactly my point. One should distinguish this two points.
Actually there is some weird copyright issue involved also (I have to
look it up, but I think it had something to do with some propaganda
material belonging technically (via law continuation) to some authority
in Bavaria which used that as a trick to avoid it getting propagated...
but I really have to look it up, my memory is very fuzzy on that.)
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Out of curiosity I watched the propaganda film Triumph of the Will (you
can find it in its entirety and subtitled at google videos).
The film was outright scary, but do you know what scared me the most?
Something which haunts me? At the end of the film, when Rudolf Hess chants:
"The Party is Hitler! But Hitler is Germany, as Germany is Hitler! Hitler
sieg hail! Sieg hail! Sieg hail!" and the audience cheers.
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Warp schrieb:
> The film was outright scary, but do you know what scared me the most?
> Something which haunts me? At the end of the film, when Rudolf Hess chants:
> "The Party is Hitler! But Hitler is Germany, as Germany is Hitler! Hitler
> sieg hail! Sieg hail! Sieg hail!" and the audience cheers.
The scariest of scares is that virtually everyone can find himself in
such an audience and cheer.
Cheers!
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