Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> Then, respectfully, you *did* care what they thought of you, and you 
>> need to understand why, because they aren't worth feeling like crap 
>> for for the rest of the month.
> 
> I don't care what they thought of me. I *do* care that two people 
> publically humilliated me...

What, exactly, did they do?

...Chambers

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> I don't care what they thought of me. I *do* care that two people 
> publically humilliated me...

You can only be humiliated by yourself, not others.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Understanding the structure of the universe
    via religion is like understanding the
     structure of computers via Tron.

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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> This seems to be the general theme in everything I try, whether I'm
> looking to meet a girl or just make a few friends. Everywhere I do, I
> have nothing in common with anybody. I'm always the odd one out.

Being self centered like that won't help. Once you realize universe does not
revolve around you and that other people may have qualities worth learning
about, it will be a lot easier. If you find it hard to take a genuine
interest in others, you'll just have to learn to fake it.

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On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:08:04 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> I don't care what they thought of me. I *do* care that two people
> publically humilliated me...

Why do you care what the other people in the pub thought?  Their opinions 
matter as much as the two who put you down.

Jim

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Darren New wrote:
> You can only be humiliated by yourself, not others.

Pardon my French, but that's rather BS.  Same for the old saw about 
sticks and stones.  Our emotions are affected by external stimuli.  In 
fact, pretty much entirely.  Even if it's an internalised reaction to 
something, the origin is external.  Variances in brain chemistry only 
serve to augment things (even if vastly), not spontaneously generate 
from whole cloth.

--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.freesitespace.net

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> Really?  Wow, I'd not observed that myself, but I've only got about a
> month's experience in the country. :-)

     When were you here? It's really only over the last 5 years that I've 
noticed how much more aggressive people have become. Of course that 
aggression has always been there, but now there are crowds and crowds of it 
instead of just a drunken punch up between two bully boys.

      And of course, I can't say that for every town as I haven't been to 
every town, I'm sure some are ok... I think.

        ~Steve~


>
> Jim

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>> Anyway, if you meet people at a bar, you're going to meet people who 
>> like going out to bars. Given that I don't, this is probably not a 
>> good idea.
> 
> That's true.  So then the question just becomes finding something you 
> enjoy where there are other people.

Except that all the things I enjoy doing are solitary activities. (With 
the exception of snogging. You really need a partner for that...)

>>> Keep going out, having fun, and don't worry about whether or not 
>>> you'll find anyone.  Just have a good time, and take advantage of 
>>> whatever opportunities present themselves :)
>>
>> That's just it. Sitting alone in a room full of people staring at me 
>> like I'm a bug-eyed monster is *not fun*. There has to be a better way...
> 
> Well, then try a club, or a dance hall, or something.  Find someplace 
> with a pool table, and at least you won't just be sitting there.

Well, I've tried all the things they recommand. Pubs and clubs aren't 
much fun, but I tried anyway. I tried taking evening classes; that 
didn't work. I used to ski regularly; everybody's too busy to chat 
though. I started taking dance lessons. It's quite fun, but I'm not 
really meeting people very much. Not sure what the hell to try next.

-- 
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>> This seems to be the general theme in everything I try, whether I'm
>> looking to meet a girl or just make a few friends. Everywhere I do, I
>> have nothing in common with anybody. I'm always the odd one out.
> 
> Being self centered like that won't help. Once you realize universe does not
> revolve around you and that other people may have qualities worth learning
> about, it will be a lot easier. If you find it hard to take a genuine
> interest in others, you'll just have to learn to fake it.

It just seems everywhere I go, everybody else falls into a completely 
different age group to me.

-- 
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Except that all the things I enjoy doing are solitary activities. (With 
> the exception of snogging. You really need a partner for that...)

  "Snogging: characteristic of spoken or written communication that seeks
to imitate informal speech"

  Well, I suppose it's not very rewarding if there's nobody to hear you... ;)

-- 
                                                          - Warp

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> This seems to be the general theme in everything I try, whether I'm
>>> looking to meet a girl or just make a few friends. Everywhere I do, I
>>> have nothing in common with anybody. I'm always the odd one out.
>>
>>
>> Being self centered like that won't help. Once you realize universe 
>> does not
>> revolve around you and that other people may have qualities worth 
>> learning
>> about, it will be a lot easier. If you find it hard to take a genuine
>> interest in others, you'll just have to learn to fake it.
> 
> 
> It just seems everywhere I go, everybody else falls into a completely 
> different age group to me.
> 
So maybe they know someone who is.  But if you treat them like you treat 
us and spend all day pissing and moaning then they wouldn't want to 
introduce you, and if you don't interact at all, same thing.

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Tim Cook wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> You can only be humiliated by yourself, not others.
> 
> Pardon my French, but that's rather BS. 

I suppose if you haven't learned not to be humiliated.

> Our emotions are affected by external stimuli.  In 
> fact, pretty much entirely.  Even if it's an internalised reaction to 
> something, the origin is external. 

Humiliation, as an emotion, is internal. The external stimulus does not 
necessarily make it occur.

It's no harder to avoid being humiliated by clowns making fun of you than it 
is to not be frightened by horror movies.  You merely need to recognise and 
internalize that the opinions of strangers who you don't know and will never 
see again are irrelevant to you.

Similarly, you can be embarrassed you made a mistake, or you can accept that 
you sometimes make mistakes and say "Oops, I made a mistake" and move on 
with your life.

> Variances in brain chemistry only 
> serve to augment things (even if vastly), not spontaneously generate 
> from whole cloth.

I haven't any idea what that has to do with the topic.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Understanding the structure of the universe
    via religion is like understanding the
     structure of computers via Tron.

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On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:57:55 +0100, St. wrote:

> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:4a99576e$1@news.povray.org...
> 
>> Really?  Wow, I'd not observed that myself, but I've only got about a
>> month's experience in the country. :-)
> 
>      When were you here? It's really only over the last 5 years that
>      I've
> noticed how much more aggressive people have become. Of course that
> aggression has always been there, but now there are crowds and crowds of
> it instead of just a drunken punch up between two bully boys.
> 
>       And of course, I can't say that for every town as I haven't been
>       to
> every town, I'm sure some are ok... I think.

First time was in 2002.  The more recent trip would've been probably 4-5 
years ago.

Jim

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Darren New wrote:
> Tim Cook wrote:
>> Darren New wrote:
>>> You can only be humiliated by yourself, not others.
>>
>> Pardon my French, but that's rather BS. 
> 
> I suppose if you haven't learned not to be humiliated.
> 
>> Our emotions are affected by external stimuli.  In fact, pretty much 
>> entirely.  Even if it's an internalised reaction to something, the 
>> origin is external. 
> 
> Humiliation, as an emotion, is internal. The external stimulus does not 
> necessarily make it occur.

But the external stimulus is necessary for it to occur.  (Semantics, what?)

> It's no harder to avoid being humiliated by clowns making fun of you 
> than it is to not be frightened by horror movies.  You merely need to 
> recognise and internalize that the opinions of strangers who you don't 
> know and will never see again are irrelevant to you.
> 
> Similarly, you can be embarrassed you made a mistake, or you can accept 
> that you sometimes make mistakes and say "Oops, I made a mistake" and 
> move on with your life.

This is nihilism, to some degree.  While it is perfectly understandable 
on an intellectual level, even if they're suppressed, ignored, or 
rationalised away, emotions do rear their ugly heads from time to time.

>> Variances in brain chemistry only serve to augment things (even if 
>> vastly), not spontaneously generate from whole cloth.
> I haven't any idea what that has to do with the topic.

The popular supposition goes that people with depression, psychoses, et 
cetera, are that way *because* of having different brain chemistry, 
hence Prozac, other antidepressants, and antipsychotics.  In a way, 'the 
chemicals *are* the emotions', or at least to the extent that they can 
be altered with other chemicals.  To which I disagree--the chemicals 
facilitate augmentation of emotions, but are not in themselves the cause 
thereof.  Re: the topic, this is to say that even the stimulus of brain 
chemistry is an 'external' factor.

--
Tim Cook
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Tim Cook wrote:
> But the external stimulus is necessary for it to occur.  (Semantics, what?)

Does it? One can feel guilty without external stimulus, I'm sure. Certainly 
one can be trained to feel guilty without specific per-occurrence 
corroboration.

> This is nihilism, to some degree.  While it is perfectly understandable 
> on an intellectual level, even if they're suppressed, ignored, or 
> rationalised away, emotions do rear their ugly heads from time to time.

Occasionally, sure. But certainly you can eliminate the emotions the 
criticisms are intended to elicit well enough that your reaction is not "I 
got embarrassed once, so I'll never try again."  Especially if you're 
expecting rejection and just hoping for the best.

>>> Variances in brain chemistry only serve to augment things (even if 
>>> vastly), not spontaneously generate from whole cloth.
>> I haven't any idea what that has to do with the topic.
> 
> The popular supposition goes that people with depression, psychoses, et 
> cetera, are that way *because* of having different brain chemistry, 

Sure.

> hence Prozac, other antidepressants, and antipsychotics.  In a way, 'the 
> chemicals *are* the emotions', or at least to the extent that they can 
> be altered with other chemicals.  To which I disagree--the chemicals 
> facilitate augmentation of emotions, but are not in themselves the cause 
> thereof.  

I'm sure there's both chemicals that facilitate augmentation of emotions and 
chemicals that cause the emotions themselves. And I'm sure many of the 
prescribed drugs are completely unnecessary. :-)  I.e., I'm sure there are 
many people whose depression has a chemical cause, and many people who are 
prescribed anti-depressants merely because they're having a crappy life.

> Re: the topic, this is to say that even the stimulus of brain 
> chemistry is an 'external' factor.

Oh, alright.  I'm not sure I'd count the levels of neurotransmitters in my 
brain as "external" to my state of mind, but OK.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Understanding the structure of the universe
    via religion is like understanding the
     structure of computers via Tron.

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> At any rate, my point is that I live in a large urban area. It's not 
> exactly "too small a town".

Are you taking advantage of it?

My advice, since this has worked fairly well for myself: Try to make friends 
with some other single men your age who will push you to go places you 
wouldn't normally go. If you already have friends like that (say, at work), 
express interest in going out with them. Of course, you have to be willing 
to do so if they invite you. If you're not willing (too shy), then you have 
to remind yourself that it's a necessary step to improving the part of your 
life that makes you unhappy.

 - Slime
 [ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]

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Darren New wrote:
> Does it? One can feel guilty without external stimulus, I'm sure. 
> Certainly one can be trained to feel guilty without specific 
> per-occurrence corroboration.

I imagine that must be terribly confusing when you have that and stop to 
actually think about it.  Enough to incite a person to take an action to 
justify the guilty feeling.

>> Re: the topic, this is to say that even the stimulus of brain 
>> chemistry is an 'external' factor.
> Oh, alright.  I'm not sure I'd count the levels of neurotransmitters in 
> my brain as "external" to my state of mind, but OK.

That's why I put it in quotes.  ;)

--
Tim Cook
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>> Offer them drinks.
>>>
>>> I still don't get the part where I'm talking to a complete stranger
>>> and NOT getting the crap kicked out of me...
>>
>> You see a couple of cute girls in a bar, you walk up to the group and
>> say, "Hey, how's it going?  Can I buy you and your friends a drink?"
> 
> For some reason, last time I tried this, the girls kept looking sideways
> at each other and laughing at me...
> 

On this side of the pond, two women walking into a bar together are not
always looking for a guy to chat one of them up. I can offer two
reasons, neither of which have anything to do with the guy:

They go to a bar to drink without a GUY picking them up.
They go to a bar to drink and dance without picking up anyone.

In either case, in their own minds it was obvious that they didn't want
a guy to talk to and so it was giggle-worthy. Conceited of them, probably.

If you want to chat with someone at a bar that is frequented by women
(as in more than one), find the one who is driving the rest home after
everyone else gets wasted. If a group wanders in, pick out the
designated driver and just talk. Try a joke at a drunken friend of your
owns expense, just so you don't accidentally insult her best friend.

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>     When were you here? It's really only over the last 5 years that I've 
> noticed how much more aggressive people have become. Of course that 
> aggression has always been there, but now there are crowds and crowds of 
> it instead of just a drunken punch up between two bully boys.

It seemed pretty bad when I lived in Oxford from about 2003-2006.  I was 
walking along with my gf and there was another couple standing at a bus stop 
having an argument.  As we walked past the guy started shouting abuse at us 
and telling us to mind our own business etc while his gf was trying to calm 
him down.  It's scary, I don't know what half of these people are on.  Also 
it was pretty much accepted that if you were walking around between 11 and 
midnight you'd see at least one group having a fight or acting agressively.

>      And of course, I can't say that for every town as I haven't been to 
> every town, I'm sure some are ok... I think.

My home town of Southampton is the same in the centre.  When I'm there I 
just stick to local pubs and avoid the really central areas (after all, why 
would you want to go there?).

It's such a shame there are so many idiots who ruin it for the majority, I 
wish the police were tougher on them.

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> It just seems everywhere I go, everybody else falls into a completely 
> different age group to me.

Rule #1 : Never refuse friendship with someone because they are not a young 
single hot girl.  Single hot girls usually have more than one friend, you 
are more likely to meet hot girls by being friends with non-(hot girls). 
Plus it's less-weird and easier to be introduced to one than walking up to 
girls randomly.

Rule #2 : Act with your friends in a way that would make you attractive to 
girls.  Girls are not going to like you if your friends say to them "he's 
really boring, he just moans about work and his life the whole time".  If 
you are more positive then they will say "oh you should meet Andrew, he's a 
really good guy". Maybe :-)

You might try joining some activity group to make new friends, some of mine 
use this place in the UK:

http://www.spiceuk.com/home

Whilst none have found a hot girl as a girlfriend (AFAIK), they are always 
going out with people they met there, and they do things that they enjoy the 
whole time.  Seems like a perfect recipe for enjoying yourself and providing 
a good chance of meeting someone.

Forget about the specific task of finding a girlfriend, go about getting out 
more and meeting some people, then the girl will one day appear.

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Tim Cook wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Does it? One can feel guilty without external stimulus, I'm sure. 
>> Certainly one can be trained to feel guilty without specific 
>> per-occurrence corroboration.
> 
> I imagine that must be terribly confusing when you have that and stop to 
> actually think about it.

Perhaps I wasn't clear.  You can be taught to feel guilty for (say) eating 
the wrong kinds of food together, or for looking at a pretty girl, or 
something like that. The teacher doesn't have to be around to make you feel 
guilty every time you look at a pretty girl. It's not confusing to you; you 
just know it's wrong to look at pretty girls.

> Enough to incite a person to take an action to 
> justify the guilty feeling.

Yeah, like teaching the next generation the same crap.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Understanding the structure of the universe
    via religion is like understanding the
     structure of computers via Tron.

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Slime wrote:
>> At any rate, my point is that I live in a large urban area. It's not 
>> exactly "too small a town".
> 
> Are you taking advantage of it?
> 
> My advice, since this has worked fairly well for myself: Try to make friends 
> with some other single men your age who will push you to go places you 
> wouldn't normally go. If you already have friends like that (say, at work), 
> express interest in going out with them. Of course, you have to be willing 
> to do so if they invite you. If you're not willing (too shy), then you have 
> to remind yourself that it's a necessary step to improving the part of your 
> life that makes you unhappy.

But that's the fun thing, see? I don't know anybody who lives in my home 
town.

Well, except for the people I go dancing with. I keep trying to come up 
with a way to make use of that one, but I'm not getting very far. It 
seems that unlike me, most people have busy social lives with no room 
for a looser like me.

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>> It just seems everywhere I go, everybody else falls into a completely 
>> different age group to me.
> 
> Rule #1 : Never refuse friendship with someone because they are not a 
> young single hot girl.

Fair enough. But [for example] the people I go dancing with are all 
decades older than me, and we just have nothing in common. I try to find 
things to talk about, but it's really a struggle.

(Then again, finding anything to talk about is a struggle for me. I 
guess I'm just too damned boring.)

It just seems everywhere I do, I don't fit in. Hell, even my gaming 
clan; they're all gamers. I'm the only actual computer nerd.

> Rule #2 : Act with your friends in a way that would make you attractive 
> to girls.  Girls are not going to like you if your friends say to them 
> "he's really boring, he just moans about work and his life the whole 
> time".  If you are more positive then they will say "oh you should meet 
> Andrew, he's a really good guy". Maybe :-)

Maybe this is why I fail. I mean, let's face it, aside from being a nice 
guy with a good heart, I have absolutely no redeeming features. Why 
should anybody go to the bother of getting to know me? What's in it for 
them? It's not like there's anything worth-while about me...

> You might try joining some activity group to make new friends, some of 
> mine use this place in the UK:
> 
> http://www.spiceuk.com/home

It's worth a look if nothing else.

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> It just seems everywhere I do, I don't fit in. Hell, even my gaming clan; 
> they're all gamers. I'm the only actual computer nerd.

If you think you "don't fit in" just because you're a computer nerd and 
they're gamers, then sorry but you're never going to fit in anywhere unless 
you go to a computer nerd convention.  I guarantee that the number of people 
you will meet normally in your life (ie not by going to a convention or 
whatever) that want to talk about functional programming languages with you 
will be *tiny*.  There's nothing wrong with functional programming, it's 
just everyone has their own very specific interests, and if you rule out 
anyone else then you're going to be very lonely.

> Maybe this is why I fail. I mean, let's face it, aside from being a nice 
> guy with a good heart, I have absolutely no redeeming features. Why should 
> anybody go to the bother of getting to know me? What's in it for them? 
> It's not like there's anything worth-while about me...

Oh I'm sure there is, but if you keep telling everyone you meet that there 
isn't, then don't expect anyone to be at all interested in you.

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>> It just seems everywhere I do, I don't fit in. Hell, even my gaming 
>> clan; they're all gamers. I'm the only actual computer nerd.
> 
> If you think you "don't fit in" just because you're a computer nerd and 
> they're gamers, then sorry but you're never going to fit in anywhere.

Actually, when we're gaming, I think I more or less fit in. It's the 
face to face stuff where I don't get on so well. But some of the guys 
are quite fun; I guess you can't expect to get along with everybody.

What I can't figure out is this: I can't be the only person my age in 
the entire city of Milton Keynes. So where the *hell* are the rest of 
them? Presumably if I could find them, I'd get along with *some* of them...

> you're going to be very lonely.

Um... I already am?

>> Maybe this is why I fail. I mean, let's face it, aside from being a 
>> nice guy with a good heart, I have absolutely no redeeming features. 
>> Why should anybody go to the bother of getting to know me? What's in 
>> it for them? It's not like there's anything worth-while about me...
> 
> Oh I'm sure there is, but if you keep telling everyone you meet that 
> there isn't, then don't expect anyone to be at all interested in you.

Ever tried to convince somebody else of something you don't really 
believe yourself? It's kinda tricky. :-/

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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Maybe this is why I fail. I mean, let's face it, aside from being a nice
> guy with a good heart, I have absolutely no redeeming features. Why
> should anybody go to the bother of getting to know me? What's in it for
> them? It's not like there's anything worth-while about me...

oh, no, NO, NOOO!!  not again that self-whipping time!!

Do you drink?  Beer at least?  Always a good bet for shy guys!  Learn the art of
drinking and you're set to go... :D

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nemesis wrote:

> Do you drink?  Beer at least?  Always a good bet for shy guys!  Learn the art of
> drinking and you're set to go... :D

Erm, NO.

Beer tasted God-damned awful! >_<

I drink Archers. :-P

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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>
> > Do you drink?  Beer at least?  Always a good bet for shy guys!  Learn the art of
> > drinking and you're set to go... :D
>
> Erm, NO.
>
> Beer tasted God-damned awful! >_<

yeah, I couldn't stand beer in my early ages too.  It's taste grew on me at
later years though, as well as legumes, vegetables and walnuts.  funky, ain't
it?

> I drink Archers. :-P

no clue.  If it's soda, then no deal... :D

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>> I drink Archers. :-P
> 
> no clue.  If it's soda, then no deal... :D

It's alcoholic, but it's definitely a girl's drink.

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>>> I drink Archers. :-P
>>
>> no clue.  If it's soda, then no deal... :D
> 
> It's alcoholic, but it's definitely a girl's drink.

Peach schnapps to be precise.

I also drink Baileys. Judging from the disapproving look I got from my 
uncle, I'm guessing this is also a girls' drink. (Note correct use of 
apostrophy.)

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>> It's alcoholic, but it's definitely a girl's drink.
>
> Peach schnapps to be precise.
>
> I also drink Baileys. Judging from the disapproving look I got from my 
> uncle, I'm guessing this is also a girls' drink.

What exactly did you drink when those two girls were laughing at you?  If 
you had an archers or a baileys then that would definitely be a good enough 
reason IMO.

> (Note correct use of apostrophy.)

So is beer a men's drink?

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>>> It's alcoholic, but it's definitely a girl's drink.
>>
>> Peach schnapps to be precise.
>>
>> I also drink Baileys. Judging from the disapproving look I got from my 
>> uncle, I'm guessing this is also a girls' drink.
> 
> What exactly did you drink when those two girls were laughing at you?  
> If you had an archers or a baileys then that would definitely be a good 
> enough reason IMO.

Lemonade - not that there's any way they could know what the colourless 
sparkling liquid I was drinking actually was.

IIRC, neither of them were drinking either because they had to drive 
afterwards.

>> (Note correct use of apostrophy.)
> 
> So is beer a men's drink?

It's a man's drink or a mens' drink.

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>>> (Note correct use of apostrophy.)
>> 
>> So is beer a men's drink?
> 
> It's a man's drink 

If a man's drink is correct, then why do you think a girl's drink wrong?

> or a mens' drink.

Now that is definitely wrong.

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On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 11:58:53 +0100, Invisible wrote:

> I drink Archers. :-P

Drink what you like.  To hell with what others think of it.

Jim

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nemesis wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> Beer tasted God-damned awful! >_<
> 
> yeah, I couldn't stand beer in my early ages too.  It's taste grew on me at
> later years though, as well as legumes, vegetables and walnuts.  funky, ain't
> it?

I gotta admit, I'm having a hard time getting used to beer.  I'm ok with 
most mixed drinks, but my true favorite is absinthe :) :) :)

No matter, though, as they're all effective at removing one's 
inhibitions (as the saying goes, sure you can have fun without 
drinking... but why use matches when you have a lighter? :) ).

...Chambers

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On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:27:30 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>Maybe this is why I fail. I mean, let's face it, aside from being a nice 
>guy with a good heart, I have absolutely no redeeming features. Why 
>should anybody go to the bother of getting to know me? What's in it for 
>them? It's not like there's anything worth-while about me...

Well, Dr John, Steve and I have met you in RL and I think that if we were closer
in location we would have met up regularly. Age might be a bit of an issue when
looking for a girlfriend but not for plain friendship. 
-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:44:13 +0200, "scott" <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:

>>> I drink Archers. :-P
>> 
>> no clue.  If it's soda, then no deal... :D
>
>It's alcoholic, but it's definitely a girl's drink.
> 

So! Occasionally I drink advocaat, with or without lemonade. Not just in poncy
London pubs but I've ordered it in rough dockside bars. The only comment I've
had is "What are you drinking that for?" to which I reply "I like the taste." No
problems.

Oh! Forgot to mention I do ask for it to be served in a dirty glass. :-)
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     Stephen

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Jim Henderson escreveu:
> On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 11:58:53 +0100, Invisible wrote:
> 
>> I drink Archers. :-P
> 
> Drink what you like.  To hell with what others think of it.

and another Archers' fan, ladies and gentlemen! :)

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Chambers escreveu:
> nemesis wrote:
>> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>> Beer tasted God-damned awful! >_<
>>
>> yeah, I couldn't stand beer in my early ages too.  It's taste grew on 
>> me at
>> later years though, as well as legumes, vegetables and walnuts.  
>> funky, ain't
>> it?
> 
> I gotta admit, I'm having a hard time getting used to beer.  I'm ok with 
> most mixed drinks, but my true favorite is absinthe :) :) :)

WTF?!  I thought absinthe was long forbidden...

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On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:50:40 -0300, nemesis wrote:

> Jim Henderson escreveu:
>> On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 11:58:53 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>> 
>>> I drink Archers. :-P
>> 
>> Drink what you like.  To hell with what others think of it.
> 
> and another Archers' fan, ladies and gentlemen! :)

I don't even know what it is. :-)

Jim

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On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:51:47 -0300, nemesis wrote:

>> I gotta admit, I'm having a hard time getting used to beer.  I'm ok
>> with most mixed drinks, but my true favorite is absinthe :) :) :)
> 
> WTF?!  I thought absinthe was long forbidden...

Nope.  In fact, they've started selling it in the liquor stores here in 
Utah.

Jim

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Jim Henderson escreveu:
> On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:50:40 -0300, nemesis wrote:
> 
>> Jim Henderson escreveu:
>>> On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 11:58:53 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>>>
>>>> I drink Archers. :-P
>>> Drink what you like.  To hell with what others think of it.
>> and another Archers' fan, ladies and gentlemen! :)
> 
> I don't even know what it is. :-)

neither do I! :P

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nemesis wrote:
> Chambers escreveu:
>> I gotta admit, I'm having a hard time getting used to beer.  I'm ok 
>> with most mixed drinks, but my true favorite is absinthe :) :) :)
> 
> WTF?!  I thought absinthe was long forbidden...


Admittedly, I only know of one bar in the area that serves it...

...Chambers

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>> I gotta admit, I'm having a hard time getting used to beer.  I'm ok with 
>> most mixed drinks, but my true favorite is absinthe :) :) :)
>
> WTF?!  I thought absinthe was long forbidden...

I've seen it here in the shops (quite respectable chain stores) in Germany, 
but I don't know it's genuine or not.  You can also get it from just over 
the border in the Czech, which I suspect is more than likely the real stuff. 
Personally I've never drunk enough of it to have any effect.

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nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> > I gotta admit, I'm having a hard time getting used to beer.  I'm ok with 
> > most mixed drinks, but my true favorite is absinthe :) :) :)

> WTF?!  I thought absinthe was long forbidden...

  Absinthe having drug-like hallucinogenic and other effects is just an
urban legend invented by absolutists of the time. In reality, there's
nothing special about absinthe. It's just a liquor like everything else.
If it has any special effect (which other liquors don't have) on anybody,
that's a pure placebo effect. (At some places they like to keep up the
urban legend and the ensuing placebo effect on people because it's
profitable.)

  AFAIK absinthe has not been forbidden anywhere for a long time.

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On Thu, 3 Sep 2009 09:35:12 +0200, "scott" <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:

>Personally I've never drunk enough of it to have any effect.

The psychotropic effect is a myth made up by teetotallers and social reformers.
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     Stephen

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>>Personally I've never drunk enough of it to have any effect.
>
> The psychotropic effect is a myth made up by teetotallers and social 
> reformers.

Cool, I never knew that, I will spread the word!

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On Thu, 3 Sep 2009 10:46:41 +0200, "scott" <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:

>>>Personally I've never drunk enough of it to have any effect.
>>
>> The psychotropic effect is a myth made up by teetotallers and social 
>> reformers.
>
>Cool, I never knew that, I will spread the word!
> 

It was a disappointment to me when I found out. Also there is too much alcohol
in the Green Fairy for my taste.
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     Stephen

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On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 04:19:54 -0400, Warp wrote:

>   AFAIK absinthe has not been forbidden anywhere for a long time.

IIRC, it was here in Utah until fairly recently (like the last year or 
so).

Jim

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scott wrote:
> Personally I've never drunk enough of it to have any
> effect.

Given its alcohol content, it doesn't take very much ;)

...Chambers

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Chambers <Ben### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> scott wrote:
> > Personally I've never drunk enough of it to have any
> > effect.
>
> Given its alcohol content, it doesn't take very much ;)
>
> ...Chambers

When I was aboot 20, I once took a 2ltr bottle of Absinth to a party load of
proper piss/messheads.  Fourteen hours later and I get home with 1.98ltrs of
the stuff.  No one could take it!  Apart from myself of course.  ;0)

BTW on the original subject of ladies not liking you, I'm sure you have a lot of
ladies who are interested in you.  However, one look at them and you dismiss
them as chaff.

The phrase "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" comes to mind, swiftly
followed by "but if you don't like the look of pie, you ain't gonna put it in
your mouth!".

Also, that pheromone/hormone stuff is b***s**t.  Me and a friend experimented
with it in the local "meat market".  Not one taker!  In fact there was a
visible !<sqrt(x^2+y^2+z^2) gap around us...   ...maybe it was the "less than"
in the equation that was the problem...

.....Hmm...  ..retry experiment with different parameters...




....Nope!

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