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Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote:
> Yes. Get your country to pass draconian copyright laws that nobody but the
> big media companies think are a good idea. Then we'll let you see our stuff.[1]
I don't think many countries have more draconian copyright laws than
Finland currently. (Although I hear that Canada is passing, or has already
passed, a copyright law that makes Finland look like the promised land of
global public domain in comparison.)
Anyways, I don't think it should be that hard to fool youtube to think
you come from another country, by using some kind of anonymizer proxy or
whatever.
--
- Warp
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On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:06:48 -0400, Warp wrote:
> I don't think many countries have more draconian copyright laws than
> Finland currently. (Although I hear that Canada is passing, or has
> already passed, a copyright law that makes Finland look like the
> promised land of global public domain in comparison.)
I don't know about the laws in Finland, but have you looked at (in depth)
the US copyright laws?
> Anyways, I don't think it should be that hard to fool youtube to think
> you come from another country, by using some kind of anonymizer proxy or
> whatever.
It isn't - as I said, TOR (The Onion Router) is good for this.
Jim
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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:06:48 -0400, Warp wrote:
> > I don't think many countries have more draconian copyright laws than
> > Finland currently. (Although I hear that Canada is passing, or has
> > already passed, a copyright law that makes Finland look like the
> > promised land of global public domain in comparison.)
> I don't know about the laws in Finland, but have you looked at (in depth)
> the US copyright laws?
Not really. The only thing I have heard about the US is RIAA harassing
individuals with exorbitant fines for each illegally downloaded song,
making it a more severe crime than eg. murder.
In Finland you won't get fined with 2 million dollars for 20 songs,
but you might get fined quite vast sums nevertheless (tens of thousands
of euros, which is way more than the average citizen owns). And this even
if the "Finnish RIAA" owns zero rights to those songs. It gets compensation
for music which it does not own in any way. (Yes, it has happened in
practice.)
And in Finland if I tell you that you can bypass DVD copy protection by
using mencoder, at least in theory I could get jailed. Not only is the act
of bypassing copy protections illegal, but even discussing with someone how
to do it is illegal.
--
- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> but even discussing with someone how
> to do it is illegal.
I think the DCMA has similar provisions. That's how they get web sites taken
down that link to DeCSS and things like that.
My apologies. I had remembers you having described the Finnish system as
rather reasonable, but maybe I was recalling Finnish patent law rather than
copyright law, or something like that.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Understanding the structure of the universe
via religion is like understanding the
structure of computers via Tron.
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Invisible wrote:
> http://www.xkcd.com/626/
>
> *sigh*
>
> When will XKCD start being entertaining again? It seems like it's been
> ages...
Oh, I don't know... I've enjoyed quite a few of them lately :)
http://www.xkcd.com/626/
http://www.xkcd.com/624/
http://www.xkcd.com/623/
http://www.xkcd.com/622/
http://www.xkcd.com/619/ (this one was especially good :) )
...Chambers
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On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:30:18 -0400, Warp wrote:
> And in Finland if I tell you that you can bypass DVD copy protection
> by
> using mencoder, at least in theory I could get jailed. Not only is the
> act of bypassing copy protections illegal, but even discussing with
> someone how to do it is illegal.
As Darren said, DMCA here is very similar. But the other rather
insidious part of copyright is how "big copyright holders" continue to
extend the terms of copyright in the US. Just have a look at the
copyrights Disney holds on Mickey Mouse and see how that lobby has pushed
(and continues to push) the extension of copyrights.
Jim
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>> When will XKCD start being entertaining again? It seems like it's been
>> ages...
>
> Oh, I don't know... I've enjoyed quite a few of them lately :)
>
> http://www.xkcd.com/626/
> http://www.xkcd.com/624/
> http://www.xkcd.com/623/
> http://www.xkcd.com/622/
> http://www.xkcd.com/619/ (this one was especially good :) )
Of these, only 624 was actually amusing. The others either fail to make
sense, or they make sense but just aren't very amusing.
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Invisible wrote:
>>> When will XKCD start being entertaining again? It seems like it's
>>> been ages...
>>
>> Oh, I don't know... I've enjoyed quite a few of them lately :)
>>
>> http://www.xkcd.com/626/
>> http://www.xkcd.com/624/
>> http://www.xkcd.com/623/
>> http://www.xkcd.com/622/
>> http://www.xkcd.com/619/ (this one was especially good :) )
>
> Of these, only 624 was actually amusing. The others either fail to make
> sense, or they make sense but just aren't very amusing.
I disagree :)
I will admit, however, that sometimes the references can be pretty
difficult to get in which case the jokes aren't funny.
OK, new one's up: http://www.xkcd.com/627/
If you have EVER done tech support for family, this nails it perfectly :)
...Chambers
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>> Of these, only 624 was actually amusing. The others either fail to
>> make sense, or they make sense but just aren't very amusing.
>
> I disagree :)
>
> I will admit, however, that sometimes the references can be pretty
> difficult to get in which case the jokes aren't funny.
Well, take 622. It's pretty self-explanatory: sleep deprevation does
weird things to your brain. *yawn*
> OK, new one's up: http://www.xkcd.com/627/
>
> If you have EVER done tech support for family, this nails it perfectly :)
It's true, but it's not especially funny.
Hell, even 518 was funnier.
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:48:00 -0700, Chambers wrote:
> OK, new one's up: http://www.xkcd.com/627/
>
> If you have EVER done tech support for family, this nails it perfectly
> :)
Yes! :-)
Jim
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