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http://blog.jonasbandi.net/2009/06/ie-vs-firefox-microsoft-has-to-be.html
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Btw, why are some websites choosing to use proprietary Microsoft
technology, namely silverlight? Didn't the world learn anything from
the IE-only-webpages fiasco?
The most obnoxious infringer is the Webby Awards website:
http://www.webbyawards.com/
According to them, "the Webby Awards is the leading international
award honoring excellence on the Internet. Established in 1996 during
the Web's infancy, the Webbys are presented by The International
Academy of Digital Arts and Sciences, a 550-member body of leading Web
experts, business figures, luminaries, visionaries and creative
celebrities."
If they are honoring excellence on the internet, and the internet ought
to be rather system-agnostic, why are they so tied up with proprietary
Microsoft technology? Why is some of their content only available to
people using a certain OS? Haven't they learned anything from the IE
fiasco? Making webpages for one single software is *not* the way to go.
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Warp wrote:
> Btw, why are some websites choosing to use proprietary Microsoft
> technology, namely silverlight? Didn't the world learn anything from
> the IE-only-webpages fiasco?
Why SilverLight? Why Flash? Why JavaFX?
Because it looks slick, and you can't do it using only W3C standards.
> According to them, "the Webby Awards is the leading international
> award honoring excellence on the Internet."
>
> Why is some of their content only available to people using a certain OS?
FAIL.
I'm sorry, anybody who claims to be "honoring excellence" while
committing an atrocity like this is clearly not worth listening to.
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Warp wrote:
> namely silverlight?
Doesn't Moonlight work?
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>> namely silverlight?
>
> Doesn't Moonlight work?
Is anybody else struck by the humour of this?
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On 22-6-2009 22:16, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> namely silverlight?
>>
>> Doesn't Moonlight work?
>
> Is anybody else struck by the humour of this?
>
Darren?
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Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > namely silverlight?
> Doesn't Moonlight work?
At least it drags behind, not supporting the newer versions of silverlight.
And it's linux-only. (Besides, using proprietary technology tied to one
single company, namely Novell, many Linux users are not very eager to use it.)
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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
news:4a3fe354@news.povray.org...
> Btw, why are some websites choosing to use proprietary Microsoft
> technology, namely silverlight? Didn't the world learn anything from
> the IE-only-webpages fiasco?
>
> The most obnoxious infringer is the Webby Awards website:
> http://www.webbyawards.com/
>
> According to them, "the Webby Awards is the leading international
> award honoring excellence on the Internet. Established in 1996 during
> the Web's infancy, the Webbys are presented by The International
> Academy of Digital Arts and Sciences, a 550-member body of leading Web
> experts, business figures, luminaries, visionaries and creative
> celebrities."
>
> If they are honoring excellence on the internet, and the internet ought
> to be rather system-agnostic, why are they so tied up with proprietary
> Microsoft technology? Why is some of their content only available to
> people using a certain OS? Haven't they learned anything from the IE
> fiasco? Making webpages for one single software is *not* the way to go.
How is Silverlight fundamentally different from Flash or Java? They are all
proprietary but they run on multiple platforms (to varying degrees of
implementation). I think it's relatively early for chosing Silverlight over,
say, Flash at this point, but without early adopters or risk takers, nothing
new would be adopted. Maybe if makers of non-proprietary standards were not
so stuck up and conservative, they could anticipate or even shape new
trends. Why don't we have a practical non-proprietary 2D vector, 3D,
mathamatical expression, printable document, ...etc standards? The
bureacracy of non-proprietary standards failed to deliver what the users
wanted, but instead fell in love with impractical but academic standards
following the one bloated solution for every problem mantra. Enter vendors
of proprietary software to fill the void.
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Warp wrote:
> At least it drags behind, not supporting the newer versions of silverlight.
Fair, but that's true of most everything on the web. :-)
> And it's linux-only.
So we're missing MacOS? I ask only because I haven't really been following
it, except that I heard someone was trying to clone silverlight onto Linux.
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Insanity is a small city on the western
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somebody <x### [at] ycom> wrote:
> How is Silverlight fundamentally different from Flash or Java?
Did I say they should use Flash or Java instead?
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somebody wrote:
> new would be adopted. Maybe if makers of non-proprietary standards were not
> so stuck up and conservative, they could anticipate or even shape new
> trends. Why don't we have a practical non-proprietary 2D vector, 3D,
> mathamatical expression, printable document, ...etc standards? The
> bureacracy of non-proprietary standards failed to deliver what the users
> wanted, but instead fell in love with impractical but academic standards
> following the one bloated solution for every problem mantra. Enter vendors
> of proprietary software to fill the void.
What I'd love to see is a non-proprietary standard for rich, interactive
web applications, like flash, that had a full-featured authoring package
backing them. If you make it easy for content creators to create content
in your format, then you'll have content in that format.
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Mike Raiford wrote:
> What I'd love to see is a non-proprietary standard for rich, interactive
> web applications, like flash, that had a full-featured authoring package
> backing them. If you make it easy for content creators to create content
> in your format, then you'll have content in that format.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_5
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Mike Raiford wrote:
> What I'd love to see is a non-proprietary standard for rich, interactive
> web applications, like flash, that had a full-featured authoring package
> backing them.
And why would someone create such a thing?
The only group I can see doing something like that would be a place like
google, where their complement is powerful web browsers and they would
prefer such a thing get implemented even if they don't implement it.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Insanity is a small city on the western
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_5
>
What? No 3D?
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Darren New wrote:
> And why would someone create such a thing?
>
> The only group I can see doing something like that would be a place like
> google, where their complement is powerful web browsers and they would
> prefer such a thing get implemented even if they don't implement it.
Someone who produces the authoring tool for such a thing?
The authoring tool could be a commercial package, but produce a standard
format that is well-documented enough to allow 3rd parties to develop a
viewer or plug-in for such a format.
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>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_5
>
> What? No 3D?
There's always VRML. ;-)
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Invisible wrote:
> There's always VRML. ;-)
Wow, that's so last century.
Speaking of, whatever happened to VRML?
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>> There's always VRML. ;-)
>
> Wow, that's so last century.
>
> Speaking of, whatever happened to VRML?
One day you're a hero...
Next day you're a clown...
There's nothing that is inbetween,
Now you're a 21st century man.
Apparently it came along at the wrong time (i.e., before broadband), and
flopped. Apparently X3D superceeded it, but that looks like being a flop
too...
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Mike Raiford wrote:
> The authoring tool could be a commercial package, but produce a standard
> format that is well-documented enough to allow 3rd parties to develop a
> viewer or plug-in for such a format.
First you need the format and wide-spread adoption. *Then* you can sell the
authoring tool. And the people using the result don't really care all that
much whether it's "open" or not. Only the Linux-desktop weenies care whether
something is "open" because they don't have enough market share to get
people to work for them for free.
The better way to go would be to take a popular proprietary standard that
already has an authoring tool, and then make it open enough to clone. Then
the open source proponents will clone it.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Insanity is a small city on the western
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Darren New wrote:
> Warp wrote:
>> namely silverlight?
>
> Doesn't Moonlight work?
Wine exists. That doesn't stop me from complaining about Windows-only apps.
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Mike Raiford wrote:
> What I'd love to see is a non-proprietary standard for rich, interactive
> web applications, like flash, that had a full-featured authoring package
> backing them. If you make it easy for content creators to create content
> in your format, then you'll have content in that format.
Maybe people who write open standards hate rich-media interactive web
applications, especially the kind made by the average noob with a WYSIWYG
editor? :D
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Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
> > Warp wrote:
> >> namely silverlight?
> >
> > Doesn't Moonlight work?
> Wine exists. That doesn't stop me from complaining about Windows-only apps.
(Especially since wine can run only a small fraction of Windows programs.)
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>>>> namely silverlight?
>>> Doesn't Moonlight work?
>
>> Wine exists. That doesn't stop me from complaining about Windows-only apps.
Stop Wining. ;-)
> (Especially since wine can run only a small fraction of Windows programs.)
It's news to be that Wine can successfully run *any* Windows programs at
all. OTOH, I haven't actually tried it, because... well, usually if I've
gone to all the bother of using Linux, it's because I want to use Linux. ;-)
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