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From: Invisible
Subject: Mysterious
Date: 12 Jun 2009 05:49:25
Message: <4a3224a5$1@news.povray.org>
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What *is* this mysterious symbol that keeps appearing in XKCD?


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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Mysterious
Date: 12 Jun 2009 06:15:00
Message: <web.4a322a4634f6613a6dd25f0b0@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
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> What *is* this mysterious symbol that keeps appearing in XKCD?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feynman_diagram


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Mysterious
Date: 12 Jun 2009 06:29:07
Message: <4a322df3$1@news.povray.org>
Bill Pragnell wrote:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feynman_diagram

"In quantum field theory a Feynman diagram is an intuitive graphical 
representation of a contribution to the transition amplitude or 
correlation function of a quantum mechanical or statistical field theory."

...the HELL?! o_O

OK, I'm sorry I asked.


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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Mysterious
Date: 12 Jun 2009 06:40:01
Message: <web.4a322f7234f6613a6dd25f0b0@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Bill Pragnell wrote:
>
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feynman_diagram
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> "In quantum field theory a Feynman diagram is an intuitive graphical
> representation of a contribution to the transition amplitude or
> correlation function of a quantum mechanical or statistical field theory."
>
> ...the HELL?! o_O

Yes, I was expecting a slightly "lighter" article too! I think in common usage
it's not as complicated as it seems. I'm sure others here can (and will)
explain properly - I'm not even going to try, it's been a long time since I
last drew one...

I was just impressed with myself for remembering what they were called. :-)


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: Mysterious
Date: 12 Jun 2009 10:26:46
Message: <4a3265a6@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
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> What *is* this mysterious symbol that keeps appearing in XKCD?

A woman's waist :)

-- 
Chambers


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Mysterious
Date: 12 Jun 2009 10:30:48
Message: <4a326698$1@news.povray.org>
Chambers wrote:

> A woman's waist :)

Well... it would be in keeping with the general stick figure theme. :-P


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Mysterious
Date: 12 Jun 2009 12:16:16
Message: <4a327f50@news.povray.org>
Invisible escreveu:
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> What *is* this mysterious symbol that keeps appearing in XKCD?

I immediately thought of myself looking down close to a wall in a room. 
  Too much 3D perhaps?  :P

-- 
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Mysterious
Date: 12 Jun 2009 12:27:37
Message: <4a3281f9@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> "In quantum field theory a Feynman diagram is an intuitive graphical 
> representation of a contribution to the transition amplitude or 
> correlation function of a quantum mechanical or statistical field theory."

Basically, it's QED - Quantum ElectroDynamics. Which is to say, the behavior 
of electrons and photons.

There's two basic operations that happen: An electron absorbs a photon, and 
an electron emits a photon.  Each of these has a certain probability.

Since you can only measure things at the end of an experiment, your 
experiment winds up with questions like "What's the probability of an 
electron at event[1] A and an electron at event B turning into an electron 
at C, an electron at D?"

[1] Event: A point in spacetime, i.e., a place and time.

The way you calculate this is proabilities. Except the probabilities are 
complex numbers, two-dimentional. They're called "amplitudes". The way you 
get a probability from amplitudes is this:

For each possible path, you multiply together the individual amplitudes that 
could make that path. So if the electron could go from A to X, while the 
other goes from C to Y. It could then emit a photon that goes from X to Y, 
be absorbed by the other electron, and the electrons wind up at B and D. 
(You'd get something like that diagram without the green). That's one 
possibility, and you multiply the amplitudes of an electron going from A to 
X, emitting a photon, going from X to B, the photon going from X to Y, 
getting absorbed by the electron, an electron going from C to Y, and from Y 
to D.

Or the "second" electron could go from C to Y to B the the first could go 
from A to X to D. Or C->X->B and A->Y->D. Or emitting two photons. And so on.

Add up all those amplitudes, take the absolute value of the result, and 
that's the probability that you get from experiment start to experiment end. 
There's an infinite number of different collections of amplitudes to add up, 
so it gets messy. But figuring out all the possible amplitudes is aided by 
drawing pictures of the interactions like that. Fortunately, amplitudes are 
always < 1 (being probabilities altho in 2D), so as you multiply more 
together, the probability they affect your result gets smaller.


-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Insanity is a small city on the western
   border of the State of Mind.


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