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On 06/10/09 15:16, somebody wrote:
> The bottomline is, one can for the majority of time find somebody or
> something else to blame for everything, if so inclined.
With little relevance to the point at hand.
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"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
news:4a3015ee$1@news.povray.org...
> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:16:13 -0600, somebody wrote:
> > Why does a
> > failure some place give a moral free pass to make up for it?
> The failure doesn't. The fact that you have paid for the license to view
> the program does.
You'd have a point if you ask for a discount on the cable bill for a mess up
caused by them. Otherwise, it feels to me like expectation of a case of two
wrongs to make a right.
Another example: You rent out a movie but never get the time to watch it
(maybe through external circumstances). Is it OK, since you paid for the
license to view it but did not, to download from torrent later?
More generally, it it morally acceptable to download *any and all* movies or
programs that have at one time or another been broadcast on a cable package
while you were subscribed to it? You have certainly paid for the license to
view all those programs, after all.
Or take music... Since we pay (in one form or another) to listen to any
music that is broadcast over the radio, are we then entitled to download any
mp3 that has ever been broadcast in our lifetimes?
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:27:50 -0600, somebody wrote:
> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:4a3015ee$1@news.povray.org...
>> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:16:13 -0600, somebody wrote:
>
>> > Why does a
>> > failure some place give a moral free pass to make up for it?
>
>> The failure doesn't. The fact that you have paid for the license to
>> view the program does.
>
> You'd have a point if you ask for a discount on the cable bill for a
> mess up caused by them. Otherwise, it feels to me like expectation of a
> case of two wrongs to make a right.
Well, I don't expect you to change your opinion, I'm just expressing
mine. You've already made it quite clear that you won't change your
opinion on this, no matter what counters are presented.
When face with an absolutist point of view, it's pointless to continue
the discussion. So I've expressed my opinion and respect your right to
disagree without further comment.
Unless you are willing to be convinced...then I'm willing to do more than
just express my opinion.
Jim
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"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
news:4a3029d8$1@news.povray.org...
> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:27:50 -0600, somebody wrote:
> > "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
> > news:4a3015ee$1@news.povray.org...
> >> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:16:13 -0600, somebody wrote:
> >> > Why does a
> >> > failure some place give a moral free pass to make up for it?
> >
> >> The failure doesn't. The fact that you have paid for the license to
> >> view the program does.
> >
> > You'd have a point if you ask for a discount on the cable bill for a
> > mess up caused by them. Otherwise, it feels to me like expectation of a
> > case of two wrongs to make a right.
> Well, I don't expect you to change your opinion, I'm just expressing
> mine. You've already made it quite clear that you won't change your
> opinion on this, no matter what counters are presented.
>
> When face with an absolutist point of view, it's pointless to continue
> the discussion. So I've expressed my opinion and respect your right to
> disagree without further comment.
>
> Unless you are willing to be convinced...then I'm willing to do more than
> just express my opinion.
Why is convincing me so critical for you?
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:14:53 -0600, somebody wrote:
>> Unless you are willing to be convinced...then I'm willing to do more
>> than just express my opinion.
>
> Why is convincing me so critical for you?
It isn't, but it's a basis for a conversation on the topic. Justifying a
certain point of view becomes tiresome if there's a 0 probability of
someone who holds an alternate point of view saying "you know, I hadn't
thought of that" but instead just continually attacking that point of
view.
Jim
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"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
news:4a3059d3$1@news.povray.org...
> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:14:53 -0600, somebody wrote:
> >> Unless you are willing to be convinced...then I'm willing to do more
> >> than just express my opinion.
> > Why is convincing me so critical for you?
> It isn't, but it's a basis for a conversation on the topic. Justifying a
> certain point of view becomes tiresome if there's a 0 probability of
> someone who holds an alternate point of view saying "you know, I hadn't
> thought of that" but instead just continually attacking that point of
> view.
What makes you think I won't say "you know, I hadn't thought of that" should
it truly be the case that I hadn't thought of that?
Besides, debates are almost never about convincing the other side.
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somebody wrote:
> What makes you think I won't say "you know, I hadn't thought of that" should
> it truly be the case that I hadn't thought of that?
Because you've earlier said you'd never change your mind based on an
internet discussion, yes?
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Insanity is a small city on the western
border of the State of Mind.
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:50:01 -0600, somebody wrote:
> What makes you think I won't say "you know, I hadn't thought of that"
> should it truly be the case that I hadn't thought of that?
What Darren said....
Jim
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"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message
news:4a306637$1@news.povray.org...
> somebody wrote:
> > What makes you think I won't say "you know, I hadn't thought of that"
should
> > it truly be the case that I hadn't thought of that?
> Because you've earlier said you'd never change your mind based on an
> internet discussion, yes?
Not quite the same thing (new angles or data on a problem don't necessarily
imply different resolutions). In any case, does my claim that I will never
change my mind proof that I will never change my mind? Would it have been
more likely that my mind could be changed, should I have not made that
claim?
I wish I had that kind of perfect mental control...
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:40:21 -0600, somebody wrote:
> In any case, does my claim that I will never change my mind proof that I
> will never change my mind?
No, but it is a stated inflexibility in views that is difficult to hold a
discussion with, so I choose not to.
Jim
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