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From: Darren New
Subject: XKCD for the win
Date: 27 May 2009 22:08:17
Message: <4a1df211$1@news.povray.org>
Has anyone noticed that youtube comments now have an "audio preview" button 
next to them that will read your comment out loud before you post it?
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   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   There's no CD like OCD, there's no CD I knoooow!


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 28 May 2009 00:02:34
Message: <4a1e0cda$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 27 May 2009 19:08:16 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> Has anyone noticed that youtube comments now have an "audio preview"
> button next to them that will read your comment out loud before you post
> it?

Yep, that was added several months ago. :-)

Jim


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 28 May 2009 04:22:10
Message: <4a1e49b2$1@news.povray.org>
>> Has anyone noticed that youtube comments now have an "audio preview"
>> button next to them that will read your comment out loud before you post
>> it?
> 
> Yep, that was added several months ago. :-)

...is this like the one where somebody says "did you know they've taken 
'gulible' out of the dictionary?"?


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 28 May 2009 12:48:39
Message: <4a1ec067$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 28 May 2009 09:22:09 +0100, Invisible wrote:

>>> Has anyone noticed that youtube comments now have an "audio preview"
>>> button next to them that will read your comment out loud before you
>>> post it?
>> 
>> Yep, that was added several months ago. :-)
> 
> ...is this like the one where somebody says "did you know they've taken
> 'gulible' out of the dictionary?"?

No, this one is actually in place.  You have to sign in, but I tried it, 
the text-to-speech wasn't half bad. :-)

Jim


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 28 May 2009 13:08:07
Message: <4a1ec4f7@news.povray.org>
>>>> Has anyone noticed that youtube comments now have an "audio preview"
>>>> button next to them that will read your comment out loud before you
>>>> post it?
>>> Yep, that was added several months ago. :-)
>> ...is this like the one where somebody says "did you know they've taken
>> 'gulible' out of the dictionary?"?
> 
> No, this one is actually in place.  You have to sign in, but I tried it, 
> the text-to-speech wasn't half bad. :-)

1. Hmm, OK. So the PC finally has text-to-speach capabilities, a 
facility that the Amiga had 15 years ago. Interesting.

2. OMG, *why* did they implement this in YouTube? That's just silly!

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 28 May 2009 13:12:58
Message: <4a1ec619@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> 1. Hmm, OK. So the PC finally has text-to-speach capabilities, a 
> facility that the Amiga had 15 years ago. Interesting.

  You can't be seriously claiming that you have never heard of any
text-to-speech software for the PC before this.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 28 May 2009 13:28:36
Message: <4a1ec9c4$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 28 May 2009 18:08:10 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>>>>> Has anyone noticed that youtube comments now have an "audio preview"
>>>>> button next to them that will read your comment out loud before you
>>>>> post it?
>>>> Yep, that was added several months ago. :-)
>>> ...is this like the one where somebody says "did you know they've
>>> taken 'gulible' out of the dictionary?"?
>> 
>> No, this one is actually in place.  You have to sign in, but I tried
>> it, the text-to-speech wasn't half bad. :-)
> 
> 1. Hmm, OK. So the PC finally has text-to-speach capabilities, a
> facility that the Amiga had 15 years ago. Interesting.

PCs have had TTS capabilities for a long time.  I'm talking about the TTS 
that YouTube uses.

> 2. OMG, *why* did they implement this in YouTube? That's just silly!

Ostensibly the reason that was put forth in the XKCD cartoon about it - 
that it would let people know how stupid their comments sounded before 
they posted them.

Jim


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 28 May 2009 13:52:22
Message: <4a1ecf56$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> 1. Hmm, OK. So the PC finally has text-to-speach capabilities, a 
> facility that the Amiga had 15 years ago. Interesting.

never heard of Dr Sbaitso?


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~Mike


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 28 May 2009 14:01:05
Message: <4a1ed161$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> 1. Hmm, OK. So the PC finally has text-to-speach capabilities, a 
> facility that the Amiga had 15 years ago. Interesting.

Actually, microsoft has had text to speech for a long time built in to their 
assistive technologies. That is to say, Windows came with a screen reader a 
long time ago.

"This is aMEEga speeeeking."

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   There's no CD like OCD, there's no CD I knoooow!


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 28 May 2009 20:12:56
Message: <4a1f2887@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
>>> Has anyone noticed that youtube comments now have an "audio preview"
>>> button next to them that will read your comment out loud before you post
>>> it?
>> 
>> Yep, that was added several months ago. :-)
> 
> ...is this like the one where somebody says "did you know they've taken
> 'gulible' out of the dictionary?"?

http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/10/08/youtube-audio-preview/


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 28 May 2009 23:27:39
Message: <4a1f562b@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> 
>> 1. Hmm, OK. So the PC finally has text-to-speach capabilities, a 
>> facility that the Amiga had 15 years ago. Interesting.
> 
> never heard of Dr Sbaitso?

YES!  Finally, someone else who remembers it! :)

What I find really funny is that many TTS systems you encounter today 
still sound like Sbaitso :)

-- 
Chambers


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 29 May 2009 03:55:23
Message: <4a1f94eb$1@news.povray.org>
>> 1. Hmm, OK. So the PC finally has text-to-speach capabilities, a 
>> facility that the Amiga had 15 years ago. Interesting.
> 
>   You can't be seriously claiming that you have never heard of any
> text-to-speech software for the PC before this.

Well, considering that the Amiga did it 15 years ago, and it wasn't 
exactly a "new" idea then... it seems logical that such software must 
exist for the PC somewhere. I've just never seen (heard?) it.

(Much like, logically, there must exist software for the PC that enables 
you to typeset music property, but I've yet to find it. Unless you count 
all those insane TeX extensions...)


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 29 May 2009 03:58:40
Message: <4a1f95b0@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >> 1. Hmm, OK. So the PC finally has text-to-speach capabilities, a 
> >> facility that the Amiga had 15 years ago. Interesting.
> > 
> >   You can't be seriously claiming that you have never heard of any
> > text-to-speech software for the PC before this.

> Well, considering that the Amiga did it 15 years ago, and it wasn't 
> exactly a "new" idea then... it seems logical that such software must 
> exist for the PC somewhere. I've just never seen (heard?) it.

  So because you have never heard about it, you assumed that it didn't exist?

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 29 May 2009 04:18:45
Message: <4a1f9a65$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:

>> Well, considering that the Amiga did it 15 years ago, and it wasn't 
>> exactly a "new" idea then... it seems logical that such software must 
>> exist for the PC somewhere. I've just never seen (heard?) it.
> 
>   So because you have never heard about it, you assumed that it didn't exist?

No. I said "it seems logical that such software _must exist_".

What I assumed is that since nobody I know has ever heard of it, it must 
be reasonably uncommon.


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 29 May 2009 11:33:49
Message: <4A20005F.3060502@hotmail.com>
On 29-5-2009 9:55, Invisible wrote:
>>> 1. Hmm, OK. So the PC finally has text-to-speach capabilities, a 
>>> facility that the Amiga had 15 years ago. Interesting.
>>
>>   You can't be seriously claiming that you have never heard of any
>> text-to-speech software for the PC before this.
> 
> Well, considering that the Amiga did it 15 years ago, and it wasn't 
> exactly a "new" idea then... it seems logical that such software must 
> exist for the PC somewhere. I've just never seen (heard?) it.

First one I heard was 'sam' on a C64.

> (Much like, logically, there must exist software for the PC that enables 
> you to typeset music property, but I've yet to find it. Unless you count 
> all those insane TeX extensions...)

What is wrong with (La)TeX? I mean other then you did not really try it 
because it has a learning curve?


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 29 May 2009 11:53:45
Message: <4a200509@news.povray.org>
>> (Much like, logically, there must exist software for the PC that 
>> enables you to typeset music property, but I've yet to find it. Unless 
>> you count all those insane TeX extensions...)
> 
> What is wrong with (La)TeX? I mean other then you did not really try it 
> because it has a learning curve?

TeX is very good for its intended purpose - typesetting text and 
mathematics. And it *not* very good for anything else. (Most especially, 
trying to typeset musical scores with it just simply *painful*.)


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 29 May 2009 12:30:39
Message: <4a200daf@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> exist for the PC somewhere. I've just never seen (heard?) it.

Open your control panel and go to "Speech" in XP or "Ease of access" in 
Vista. It has been there for years and years and years, built in, in a menu 
you probably look at daily. :-)

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   There's no CD like OCD, there's no CD I knoooow!


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 29 May 2009 13:04:28
Message: <4a20159c$1@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 29 May 2009 17:33:51 +0200, andrel wrote:

> First one I heard was 'sam' on a C64.

That's what I was thinking of as well. :-)

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 29 May 2009 13:05:02
Message: <4a2015be$1@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 29 May 2009 16:53:44 +0100, Invisible wrote:

>>> (Much like, logically, there must exist software for the PC that
>>> enables you to typeset music property, but I've yet to find it. Unless
>>> you count all those insane TeX extensions...)
>> 
>> What is wrong with (La)TeX? I mean other then you did not really try it
>> because it has a learning curve?
> 
> TeX is very good for its intended purpose - typesetting text and
> mathematics. And it *not* very good for anything else. (Most especially,
> trying to typeset musical scores with it just simply *painful*.)

There are a few programs for Linux that do a good job with this - 
Lilypond IIRC does a good job with it.

Jim


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 29 May 2009 13:06:38
Message: <4a20161e$1@news.povray.org>
>> exist for the PC somewhere. I've just never seen (heard?) it.
> 
> Open your control panel and go to "Speech" in XP or "Ease of access" in 
> Vista. It has been there for years and years and years, built in, in a 
> menu you probably look at daily. :-)

Hmm. That explains why Ventrillo manages to do things like say "A user 
has joined the channel". I presumed it was just a bad recording, and it 
was Ventrillo-specific...

It sounds utterly *terrible* by the way. I'm probably imagining it, but 
I'm sure the Amiga did it better.

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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 29 May 2009 15:16:17
Message: <4a203481@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 29 May 2009 16:53:44 +0100, Invisible wrote:
> 
>>>> (Much like, logically, there must exist software for the PC that
>>>> enables you to typeset music property, but I've yet to find it. Unless
>>>> you count all those insane TeX extensions...)
>>> 
>>> What is wrong with (La)TeX? I mean other then you did not really try it
>>> because it has a learning curve?
>> 
>> TeX is very good for its intended purpose - typesetting text and
>> mathematics. And it *not* very good for anything else. (Most especially,
>> trying to typeset musical scores with it just simply *painful*.)
> 
> There are a few programs for Linux that do a good job with this -
> Lilypond IIRC does a good job with it.

I think that's what he was talking about.

Lilypond syntax is quite similar to LaTeX...


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 29 May 2009 15:34:11
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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> It sounds utterly *terrible* by the way. I'm probably imagining it, but 
> I'm sure the Amiga did it better.

  OS X does a much better job.

  For some strange reason I can't figure out which youtube search keyword
I should use to find examples (as I know there are approximately one million
of them posted to youtube), but I found at least this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUcOv0Y4OIg

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 29 May 2009 15:35:33
Message: <4a203905$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> It sounds utterly *terrible* by the way. I'm probably imagining it, but 
> I'm sure the Amiga did it better.

I think if you fed phonemes to the speech generator, it did better. If you 
fed it plain text? Not so much better.

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   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   There's no CD like OCD, there's no CD I knoooow!


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 29 May 2009 15:54:46
Message: <4a203d86$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> It sounds utterly *terrible* by the way. I'm probably imagining it, but 
>> I'm sure the Amiga did it better.
> 
>   OS X does a much better job.

That's pretty impressive.  Still not *quite* right, but better than most 
things I've heard.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   There's no CD like OCD, there's no CD I knoooow!


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 29 May 2009 16:45:13
Message: <4a204959$1@news.povray.org>
>> It sounds utterly *terrible* by the way. I'm probably imagining it, 
>> but I'm sure the Amiga did it better.
> 
> I think if you fed phonemes to the speech generator, it did better. If 
> you fed it plain text? Not so much better.

The Windows speach generator sounds "crackly" and discontinuous. As I 
remember, the Amiga's speach synth sounded like an American with a bad 
cold, but the syllables were at least smooth.

(The quality of its phonetic guesses might well have been far worse. I 
recall my sister's name being pronounced as "geNIFEr"...)

-- 
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 29 May 2009 17:17:47
Message: <4a2050fb@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> The Windows speach generator sounds "crackly" and discontinuous.

Not in Vista, at least. It sounds pretty much exactly how I remember the 
amiga sounding, along with the weird emphasis on the different words.

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   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   There's no CD like OCD, there's no CD I knoooow!


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: XKCD for the win
Date: 29 May 2009 18:02:42
Message: <4a205b82$1@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 29 May 2009 16:16:16 -0300, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

>> There are a few programs for Linux that do a good job with this -
>> Lilypond IIRC does a good job with it.
> 
> I think that's what he was talking about.
> 
> Lilypond syntax is quite similar to LaTeX...

Hmmm, I was thinking it wasn't a syntax/interpreter but a notation 
editor.  But looking at the website, I see that that's not the case.

Jim


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