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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: It's the Question that drives us
Date: 19 May 2009 16:01:15
Message: <4a13100b@news.povray.org>
Today, the following conversation occurred:

   You look like you're falling asleep there.

   Uh? Oh, no, I'm just thinking.

   What are you thinking about?

   Runge-Kutta.

   What??

   Fourth-order Runge-Kutta numerical integration with an apative step-size.

   ...why?

   It's a project I'm working on. I plotted a mathematical graph of the 
phase space of a chaotic pendulum, but that involved using some kind of 
numerical integration algorithm to solve the system of differential 
equations.

   OK...

   Well, the people on the Internet seemed to like the videos.

   ...

And then she asks me:

   ...Are there other people like you?

O_O

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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: It's the Question that drives us
Date: 19 May 2009 16:13:24
Message: <4a1312e4$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 escreveu:
> Today, the following conversation occurred:
> 
>   You look like you're falling asleep there.
> 
>   Uh? Oh, no, I'm just thinking.
> 
>   What are you thinking about?
> 
>   Runge-Kutta.
> 
>   What??
> 
>   Fourth-order Runge-Kutta numerical integration with an apative step-size.
> 
>   ...why?
> 
>   It's a project I'm working on. I plotted a mathematical graph of the 
> phase space of a chaotic pendulum, but that involved using some kind of 
> numerical integration algorithm to solve the system of differential 
> equations.
> 
>   OK...
> 
>   Well, the people on the Internet seemed to like the videos.
> 
>   ...
> 
> And then she asks me:
> 
>   ...Are there other people like you?
> 
> O_O

You grabbed her attention!  Quick, talk about your Haskell skillz while 
she's still stunned. :D

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: It's the Question that drives us
Date: 19 May 2009 17:20:43
Message: <4a1322ab$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>   ...Are there other people like you?

Answer:  "Yes, but he's in a wheelchair and talks funny."

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   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   There's no CD like OCD, there's no CD I knoooow!


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From: Mueen Nawaz
Subject: Re: It's the Question that drives us
Date: 19 May 2009 23:29:10
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> And then she asks me:
> 
>   ...Are there other people like you?

	We only come out at night.

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From: Slime
Subject: Re: It's the Question that drives us
Date: 20 May 2009 01:51:57
Message: <4a139a7d$1@news.povray.org>
When talking to people that you want to find you interesting, keep it simple 
so you don't scare them off. I suggest this:

>   You look like you're falling asleep there.
>
>   Uh? Oh, no, I'm just thinking.
>
>   What are you thinking about?
>
>   Math.
>
>   What??
>
>   (You won't be asked "what??" because everyone knows what math is.)
>
>   ...why?
>
>   Oh, it's this thing I'm working on. It uses fractals and stuff. It's 
> pretty cool.
>

If they're interested, they'll ask more questions. If they're not, they 
won't think you're crazy.

 - Slime
 [ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: It's the Question that drives us
Date: 20 May 2009 04:49:18
Message: <4a13c40e@news.povray.org>
Slime wrote:
> When talking to people that you want to find you interesting, keep it simple 
> so you don't scare them off.

Yeah, I guess. This particular individual, I don't especially care what 
she thinks about me. Hence the rather vertical description. (But I think 
she might have spotted the pile of papers as I attempted to derive a 
Taylor series from first principles while waiting for Windows to install...)

>>   You look like you're falling asleep there.
>>
>>   Uh? Oh, no, I'm just thinking.
>>
>>   What are you thinking about?
>>
>>   Math.
>>
>>   What??
>>
>>   (You won't be asked "what??" because everyone knows what math is.)
>>
>>   ...why?
>>
>>   Oh, it's this thing I'm working on. It uses fractals and stuff. It's 
>> pretty cool.

How many normal humans know what a "factal" is? Not many, IME.

> If they're interested, they'll ask more questions. If they're not, they 
> won't think you're crazy.

It's just the way she looked at me like I was some sort of freak of 
nature or something... *sigh*

Mind you, given who we're talking about here, that's kind of the pot 
calling the kettle black. :-P


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: It's the Question that drives us
Date: 20 May 2009 14:01:34
Message: <4a14457e$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible escreveu:
> How many normal humans know what a "factal" is? Not many, IME.

Fractals are pretty pop.  They are mentioned in Hollywood flicks once in 
a while, and I guess most people associate it with chaotic patterns or 
something.

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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: It's the Question that drives us
Date: 20 May 2009 14:10:01
Message: <4a144779@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> Invisible escreveu:
>> How many normal humans know what a "factal" is? Not many, IME.
> 
> Fractals are pretty pop.  They are mentioned in Hollywood flicks once in 
> a while, and I guess most people associate it with chaotic patterns or 
> something.

Oh God... "factal"? WTF?

My life mates me. :-(

Still... fractals are modestly well-known, but still not widely enough 
that you can count on it.

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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: It's the Question that drives us
Date: 20 May 2009 14:13:39
Message: <4a144853$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 20 May 2009 19:10:02 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> nemesis wrote:
>> Invisible escreveu:
>>> How many normal humans know what a "factal" is? Not many, IME.
>> 
>> Fractals are pretty pop.  They are mentioned in Hollywood flicks once
>> in a while, and I guess most people associate it with chaotic patterns
>> or something.
> 
> Oh God... "factal"? WTF?

Hey, now, you need to stop picking on Andy for his spelling mistakes...he 
REALLY doesn't like that. ;-)

Jim


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: It's the Question that drives us
Date: 20 May 2009 14:16:03
Message: <4a1448e3@news.povray.org>
>> Oh God... "factal"? WTF?
> 
> Hey, now, you need to stop picking on Andy for his spelling mistakes...he 
> REALLY doesn't like that. ;-)

I wonder if a factal is something like a factoid? I think this might 
class as one.

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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: It's the Question that drives us
Date: 20 May 2009 14:31:13
Message: <4a144c71$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 20 May 2009 19:16:04 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>>> Oh God... "factal"? WTF?
>> 
>> Hey, now, you need to stop picking on Andy for his spelling
>> mistakes...he REALLY doesn't like that. ;-)
> 
> I wonder if a factal is something like a factoid? I think this might
> class as one.

That could well be. :-)

Jim


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: It's the Question that drives us
Date: 20 May 2009 14:49:54
Message: <4a1450d2$1@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson escreveu:
> On Wed, 20 May 2009 19:10:02 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> 
>> nemesis wrote:
>>> Invisible escreveu:
>>>> How many normal humans know what a "factal" is? Not many, IME.
>>> Fractals are pretty pop.  They are mentioned in Hollywood flicks once
>>> in a while, and I guess most people associate it with chaotic patterns
>>> or something.
>> Oh God... "factal"? WTF?
> 
> Hey, now, you need to stop picking on Andy for his spelling mistakes...he 
> REALLY doesn't like that. ;-)

You know I didn't even notice? :P

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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: It's the Question that drives us
Date: 20 May 2009 14:54:33
Message: <4a1451e9$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 20 May 2009 15:49:54 -0300, nemesis wrote:

> Jim Henderson escreveu:
>> On Wed, 20 May 2009 19:10:02 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> 
>>> nemesis wrote:
>>>> Invisible escreveu:
>>>>> How many normal humans know what a "factal" is? Not many, IME.
>>>> Fractals are pretty pop.  They are mentioned in Hollywood flicks once
>>>> in a while, and I guess most people associate it with chaotic
>>>> patterns or something.
>>> Oh God... "factal"? WTF?
>> 
>> Hey, now, you need to stop picking on Andy for his spelling
>> mistakes...he REALLY doesn't like that. ;-)
> 
> You know I didn't even notice? :P

I did - but I didn't say anything.  My first thought was actually 
something along the lines of what he said in response. ;-)

Jim


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From: Reactor
Subject: Re: It's the Question that drives us
Date: 20 May 2009 18:30:00
Message: <web.4a1483f2a394707e516b9e590@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >> Oh God... "factal"? WTF?
> >
> > Hey, now, you need to stop picking on Andy for his spelling mistakes...he
> > REALLY doesn't like that. ;-)
>
> I wonder if a factal is something like a factoid? I think this might
> class as one.
>
> --
> http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
> http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*

I looked up 'factal' in Werriam-Mebster's Dictionary, a dictionary that is
extraordinarily similar to Merriam-Webster's Dictionary except fictional (also
legally distinct from and not affiliated with Merriam-Webster).

As it turns out, factal is in there:



Main Entry:
    fac·tal
Pronunciation:
    \ˈfak-təl\
Function:
    noun
Etymology:
    French factale, from Latin factus boken, uneven (past participle of fangere
to beak) + French -ale -al (noun suffix)
Date:
    1975

1. FRACTAL [link]
2. alternate spelling for FACTYL, a widely abused abbreviation for 'fat dactyl'
3. a factoid, esp. a factoid about fractals.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: It's the Question that drives us
Date: 21 May 2009 04:11:37
Message: <4a150cb9$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>   ...Are there other people like you?

Well, I sat down and wrote a 5-page email explaining exactly what I was 
up to. Twice. But in the end, I sent an email that just contained a 
picture. The reply that came back was "well, all I can say is that it is 
very pretty". LOL!


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: It's the Question that drives us
Date: 21 May 2009 09:28:35
Message: <4A1556FF.40308@hotmail.com>
On 21-5-2009 10:11, Invisible wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> 
>>   ...Are there other people like you?
> 
> Well, I sat down and wrote a 5-page email explaining exactly what I was 
> up to. Twice. But in the end, I sent an email that just contained a 
> picture. The reply that came back was "well, all I can say is that it is 
> very pretty". LOL!

Good decision. Never explain a work of art.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: It's the Question that drives us
Date: 21 May 2009 09:31:14
Message: <4a1557a2$1@news.povray.org>
>> Well, I sat down and wrote a 5-page email explaining exactly what I 
>> was up to. Twice. But in the end, I sent an email that just contained 
>> a picture. The reply that came back was "well, all I can say is that 
>> it is very pretty". LOL!
> 
> Good decision. Never explain a work of art.

Is the output of a mathematical equation "art"?

Discuss. ;-)


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: It's the Question that drives us
Date: 21 May 2009 11:40:00
Message: <web.4a1574d4a394707e5fd99d9e0@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >> Well, I sat down and wrote a 5-page email explaining exactly what I
> >> was up to. Twice. But in the end, I sent an email that just contained
> >> a picture. The reply that came back was "well, all I can say is that
> >> it is very pretty". LOL!
> >
> > Good decision. Never explain a work of art.
>
> Is the output of a mathematical equation "art"?
>
> Discuss. ;-)

If it generates emotion then it could be. IMO

And unless you want to bore the tits off a Muggle never ever say anything like
that. Unless you add “But that is me just showing off, in the hoped that I’ll
impress you.”


Stephen


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: It's the Question that drives us
Date: 21 May 2009 12:17:13
Message: <4a157e89$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> Is the output of a mathematical equation "art"?

The output of a mathematical equation is more mathematical equations. The 
art comes between the doing the math and the generating sensory input for 
humans to consume.

Would it still be art if you made the program output into a spreadsheet?

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   There's no CD like OCD, there's no CD I knoooow!


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: It's the Question that drives us
Date: 21 May 2009 14:50:04
Message: <4A15A257.2010306@hotmail.com>
On 21-5-2009 18:17, Darren New wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> Is the output of a mathematical equation "art"?
> 
> The output of a mathematical equation is more mathematical equations. 
> The art comes between the doing the math and the generating sensory 
> input for humans to consume.
> 
> Would it still be art if you made the program output into a spreadsheet?
> 
If you had a spreadsheet generating this output the changes would be a 
bit higher, then it could pass as conceptual art.


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From: John VanSickle
Subject: Re: It's the Question that drives us
Date: 21 May 2009 15:46:07
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> And then she asks me:
> 
>   ...Are there other people like you?

"You wouldn't have a cell phone or an Ipod if there weren't."

I got a similar notion ("Am I the only person like this here?") while 
typing out a basic how-to guide for least-squares analysis, in the 
employee lounge of the store where I work.  Most of the other people 
stock merchandise on the overnight shift.

Regards,
John


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: It's the Question that drives us
Date: 21 May 2009 15:57:48
Message: <4a15b23c$1@news.povray.org>
>>   ...Are there other people like you?
> 
> "You wouldn't have a cell phone or an Ipod if there weren't."

Heh, yeah.

Although, that only means that other people know technical stuff, not 
necessarily that they learn about it in their lunch break just for fun 
inbetween doing their *real* jobs... ;-)

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From: John VanSickle
Subject: Re: It's the Question that drives us
Date: 23 May 2009 18:55:46
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>   ...Are there other people like you?
>>
>> "You wouldn't have a cell phone or an Ipod if there weren't."
> 
> Heh, yeah.
> 
> Although, that only means that other people know technical stuff, not 
> necessarily that they learn about it in their lunch break just for fun 
> inbetween doing their *real* jobs... ;-)

Yeah, except that the people who make the basic discoveries have to work 
many long years just to learn what they need to know in order to conduct 
the experiment in which the discovery is made, or to properly understand 
the accidental discovery that just happened.  People don't put in that 
kind of time unless at some level it's fun for them.

Regards,
John


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