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Fredrik Eriksson wrote:
> On Sat, 16 May 2009 21:34:53 +0200, nemesis
> <nam### [at] nospam-gmail com> wrote:
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>> There are no outlawed heroes nor huge squids in either Batman
>
> Read 'The Dark Knight Returns'.
Yes, I read it at the time it was released, though I was only an
adolescent and possibly did not get all references. I just reread it
now just to be sure: no outlawed heroes, only retired heroes.
No huge squid terrorizing a city either.
>> or the Bible.
>
> Read the New Testament.
Sorry, I don't see it. In particular, this is a discussion about
super-heroes from american XX century comics and I don't see the
relevance of that here.
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Warp wrote:
> Chambers <ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> wrote:
>> Publish a paper on it on your website.
>
>> Then, in Wikipedia, reference that paper.
>
>> That should satisfy the "no original research" policy just fine.
>
> The encyclopedia writer referencing his own work is not much more
> credible than the encyclopedia referencing itself.
I don't think they allow blog entries as reference. It doesn't matter,
a reference to the work itself should suffice. I should point to a
selling place, like Amazon.
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On Sat, 16 May 2009 16:37:37 -0300, nemesis wrote:
> I don't know how else to state it.
Then don't. It's unnecessary, and calling a group of people "a bunch of
nazis" doesn't exactly ingratiate you to them (or to others you're
trying to convince).
Jim
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On Sat, 16 May 2009 19:17:04 -0300, nemesis wrote:
> It doesn't matter,
> a reference to the work itself should suffice.
No, it shouldn't. Because the work itself doesn't say anything about its
author's development process. It's an end product.
When you "cherry pick" similarities between two things that seem similar
to you, of course you're going to find things that are similar. You
probably could do the same with The Incredibles and The Brady Bunch, too
if you worked hard enough at it.
That doesn't mean The Incredibles was based on The Brady Bunch. Just
that you found similar plot points.
Jim
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Darren New wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> He set out to make a movie about super-heroes. He had to draw some
>> references. How about the plot of one of the most acclaimed comic
>> books in the genre?
>
> In generics, "good guy scoffs at secret admirer, and winds up having to
> defeat admirer's plan to get revenge" is pretty standard fare.
Yes, and yet despite being this generic, it's not the plot of Watchmen,
only Incredibles.
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nemesis wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> nemesis wrote:
>>> He set out to make a movie about super-heroes. He had to draw some
>>> references. How about the plot of one of the most acclaimed comic
>>> books in the genre?
>>
>> In generics, "good guy scoffs at secret admirer, and winds up having
>> to defeat admirer's plan to get revenge" is pretty standard fare.
>
> Yes, and yet despite being this generic, it's not the plot of Watchmen,
> only Incredibles.
So, clearly, the plot of Incredibles wasn't inspired by the plot of
Watchmen. Quid pro quo epsom cephalopod. ;-)
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
There's no CD like OCD, there's no CD I knoooow!
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Darren New wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> but the simple idea that the plot is similar to that of Watchmen isn't
>> allowed
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> But that isn't what you claimed. You claimed it was an inspiration.
I reworked it as just a brief list of plot points shared by both works
under the Critics section. Deleted. More to the point, I never saw an
idea being deleted on the Discussion page. Never, despite some heavy
flamewars.
It's simply not allowed. Not that I care anymore.
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sat, 16 May 2009 16:37:37 -0300, nemesis wrote:
>
>> I don't know how else to state it.
>
> Then don't. It's unnecessary, and calling a group of people "a bunch of
> nazis" doesn't exactly ingratiate you to them (or to others you're
> trying to convince).
Funny. I only mentioned it here because I seem to recall similar
anti-wikipedian moderators discussions here before. Nevermind.
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From: Fredrik Eriksson
Subject: Re: Watchmen vs The Incredibles
Date: 16 May 2009 18:33:36
Message: <op.ut1nmafo7bxctx@e6600>
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On Sun, 17 May 2009 00:15:04 +0200, nemesis
<nam### [at] nospam-gmailcom> wrote:
> Fredrik Eriksson wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 May 2009 21:34:53 +0200, nemesis
>> <nam### [at] nospam-gmailcom> wrote:
>>>
>>> There are no outlawed heroes nor huge squids in either Batman
>> Read 'The Dark Knight Returns'.
>
> Yes, I read it at the time it was released, though I was only an
> adolescent and possibly did not get all references. I just reread it
> now just to be sure: no outlawed heroes, only retired heroes.
The government forbids heroes from appearing in public and punishes them
quite severely if they disobey. They are effectively outlawed, even if the
law is not in writing.
> No huge squid terrorizing a city either.
>
>>> or the Bible.
>> Read the New Testament.
>
> Sorry, I don't see it. In particular, this is a discussion about
> super-heroes from american XX century comics and I don't see the
> relevance of that here.
You were talking about outlawed heroes. In the bible, Jesus was a hero. A
superhero really. He was most certainly outlawed, and even sentenced to
death.
If you insist on limiting the discussion to comic books you may wish to
read this:
http://www.amazon.com/Eye-Witness-Fictional-Absolute-Truth/dp/0975892401?s=books&qid=1242512645
--
FE
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Darren New wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> Darren New wrote:
>>> nemesis wrote:
>>>> He set out to make a movie about super-heroes. He had to draw some
>>>> references. How about the plot of one of the most acclaimed comic
>>>> books in the genre?
>>>
>>> In generics, "good guy scoffs at secret admirer, and winds up having
>>> to defeat admirer's plan to get revenge" is pretty standard fare.
>>
>> Yes, and yet despite being this generic, it's not the plot of
>> Watchmen, only Incredibles.
>
> So, clearly, the plot of Incredibles wasn't inspired by the plot of
> Watchmen. Quid pro quo epsom cephalopod. ;-)
Yes. And West Side Story is not inspired by Romeo and Juliet either
because of the myriad of small different details...
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