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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: That XKCD thing
Date: 11 May 2009 17:19:35
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http://xkcd.com/313/

Note the alt text. It reads: "I have a levitation class at 25:131. 
Better set the alarm to 'cinamon'."

OK, admit it: How many of you guys have thought something almost exactly 
like this while half asleep? ;-)

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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 11 May 2009 17:26:25
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On Mon, 11 May 2009 22:19:40 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> http://xkcd.com/313/
> 
> Note the alt text. It reads: "I have a levitation class at 25:131.
> Better set the alarm to 'cinamon'."
> 
> OK, admit it: How many of you guys have thought something almost exactly
> like this while half asleep? ;-)

I have an alarming number of dreams that involve school even to this day 
- things like forgetting my locker combination, not being able to find 
classrooms, etc.  From my high school, not from college.

But I think the closest I come to something like this is ordering 
something with my credit card on the phone and giving an expiration date 
of 17-2011 or somesuch.

Jim


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 11 May 2009 17:32:16
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>> OK, admit it: How many of you guys have thought something almost exactly
>> like this while half asleep? ;-)
> 
> I have an alarming number of dreams that involve school even to this day 
> - things like forgetting my locker combination, not being able to find 
> classrooms, etc.  From my high school, not from college.

Ah. Yes, XKCD has already documented this too.

http://xkcd.com/557/

I can honestly say I have *never* had a dream anything like this. :-P

> But I think the closest I come to something like this is ordering 
> something with my credit card on the phone and giving an expiration date 
> of 17-2011 or somesuch.

Heh. I keep wanting to encrypt by brain to stop the auditors from trying 
to steal it...

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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 11 May 2009 17:52:39
Message: <4a089e27$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 11 May 2009 22:32:22 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>>> OK, admit it: How many of you guys have thought something almost
>>> exactly like this while half asleep? ;-)
>> 
>> I have an alarming number of dreams that involve school even to this
>> day - things like forgetting my locker combination, not being able to
>> find classrooms, etc.  From my high school, not from college.
> 
> Ah. Yes, XKCD has already documented this too.
> 
> http://xkcd.com/557/
> 
> I can honestly say I have *never* had a dream anything like this. :-P

Yup, that one had a serious feeling of Deja Vu for me. :-)

And today's was quite good as well, but it helps if you've heard the Car 
Talk radio programme (we listen to the podcast every week - think of Tom 
& Ray as being the geekier cousins (who know more about how cars work as 
a result of an engineering background) of the guys on Top Gear).

>> But I think the closest I come to something like this is ordering
>> something with my credit card on the phone and giving an expiration
>> date of 17-2011 or somesuch.
> 
> Heh. I keep wanting to encrypt by brain to stop the auditors from trying
> to steal it...

LOL, you would certainly want to use an anti-heuristic algorithm, just to 
confuse them.

Jim


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 11 May 2009 17:57:30
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> I have an alarming number of dreams that involve school even to this day 
> - things like forgetting my locker combination, not being able to find 
> classrooms, etc.  From my high school, not from college.

Ibid.

That, and being in big old rambling houses with secret passages and cool 
stuff like that. Not scary, tho. :-)

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From: Mueen Nawaz
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 11 May 2009 18:39:45
Message: <4a08a931@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Note the alt text. It reads: "I have a levitation class at 25:131.
>> Better set the alarm to 'cinamon'."
>>
>> OK, admit it: How many of you guys have thought something almost exactly
>> like this while half asleep? ;-)
> 
> I have an alarming number of dreams that involve school even to this day 
> - things like forgetting my locker combination, not being able to find 
> classrooms, etc.  From my high school, not from college.

	Exams are a common theme in mine. Either I show up having forgotten we
have an exam. Or I'm at home, it's 1 pm, and I suddenly realize there's
a 3 hour exam beginning at 12:30pm, and the rest of the dream is a mad
rush to get there.

	University + high school - both show up.


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From: Mueen Nawaz
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 11 May 2009 18:42:49
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Darren New wrote:
> That, and being in big old rambling houses with secret passages and cool
> stuff like that. Not scary, tho. :-)

	Back in the days of playing Doom 2 (the last 3D shoot'em up game I
played seriously), I'd have lots of dreams where I was the main guy in
the game, running around and shooting monsters. Lots and lots of fun.
Always would end with a monster that didn't seem to want to die. Even
then, it was still more fun than scary.
	
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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 11 May 2009 18:47:01
Message: <4a08aae5$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 11 May 2009 14:57:30 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> I have an alarming number of dreams that involve school even to this
>> day - things like forgetting my locker combination, not being able to
>> find classrooms, etc.  From my high school, not from college.
> 
> Ibid.
> 
> That, and being in big old rambling houses with secret passages and cool
> stuff like that. Not scary, tho. :-)

I'd like one like that.  It's pretty rare these days that I remember 
dreams, but I had one the other night that had me working as a detective 
in the NYCPD (ala Law and Order).  No idea who was there or what we were 
investigating, though.

Flying is pretty common for me.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 11 May 2009 18:49:05
Message: <4a08ab61$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 11 May 2009 17:39:44 -0500, Mueen Nawaz wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> Note the alt text. It reads: "I have a levitation class at 25:131.
>>> Better set the alarm to 'cinamon'."
>>>
>>> OK, admit it: How many of you guys have thought something almost
>>> exactly like this while half asleep? ;-)
>> 
>> I have an alarming number of dreams that involve school even to this
>> day - things like forgetting my locker combination, not being able to
>> find classrooms, etc.  From my high school, not from college.
> 
> 	Exams are a common theme in mine. Either I show up having 
forgotten we
> have an exam. Or I'm at home, it's 1 pm, and I suddenly realize there's
> a 3 hour exam beginning at 12:30pm, and the rest of the dream is a mad
> rush to get there.
> 
> 	University + high school - both show up.

I had a weird experience a week ago last Saturday - don't know what I was 
dreaming about, but I woke up convinced I had forgotten to check and see 
what time I needed to be up for a meeting, took me a couple of mins to 
realise that it was Saturday.

I don't often forget what day of the week it is.  Well, that's not 
strictly true, often I forget while I'm working what the day/date is, but 
to forget that it's a weekend.....I think that means I need a 
vacation. :-)

Jim


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 11 May 2009 20:13:44
Message: <4a08bf38$1@news.povray.org>
Mueen Nawaz wrote:
> 	Back in the days of playing Doom 2 (the last 3D shoot'em up game I
> played seriously), I'd have lots of dreams where I was the main guy in
> the game, running around and shooting monsters. Lots and lots of fun.

I always knew I was playing too much FPS games when my dreams had 
crosshairs. I always knew I was playing too much Thief when all the shadows 
during the evening walk were preternaturally jumping out at my attention.

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From: mone
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 11 May 2009 21:35:00
Message: <web.4a08d1fa5d6289cb695fe9130@news.povray.org>
Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
> > I have an alarming number of dreams that involve school even to this day
> > - things like forgetting my locker combination, not being able to find
> > classrooms, etc.  From my high school, not from college.
>
> Ibid.

Yes, me too. Just yesterday I dreamt I simply had forgotten to attend math
classes for a couple of weeks and would have to repeat the whole year. :((
Scary.
Athough it has been almost two decades since I visited school.

>
> That, and being in big old rambling houses with secret passages and cool
> stuff like that. Not scary, tho. :-)

Those are mostly cool, like once I dreamt I had rented a very big and cheap flat
that even had a cool ancient style swimming pool in the basement, like a roman
bath, or something. And sometimes those flats have so many rooms you couldn't
believe it and patios, verandas and things like that.


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 11 May 2009 22:06:27
Message: <4a08d9a3@news.povray.org>
On 5/11/2009 3:49 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> I had a weird experience a week ago last Saturday - don't know what I was
> dreaming about, but I woke up convinced I had forgotten to check and see
> what time I needed to be up for a meeting, took me a couple of mins to
> realise that it was Saturday.

Have you ever gotten up for work, showered, gotten dressed, and went out 
to wait for the bus only to realize that it's 3:30 in the morning, and 
you could go back to sleep for 3 more hours?

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 04:20:02
Message: <4a093132$1@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:

> And today's was quite good as well, but it helps if you've heard the Car 
> Talk radio programme (we listen to the podcast every week - think of Tom 
> & Ray as being the geekier cousins (who know more about how cars work as 
> a result of an engineering background) of the guys on Top Gear).

I have no idea what you're talking about.

I also have no clue what "firefly" is all about - so the last half dozen 
strips made no sense at all.

>> Heh. I keep wanting to encrypt by brain to stop the auditors from trying
>> to steal it...
> 
> LOL, you would certainly want to use an anti-heuristic algorithm, just to 
> confuse them.

It's more that, loosely speaking, encryption is a way of protecting 
things from harm, and auditors are people who want to harm me. Thus, 
following that pretty vague logic, this suggestion kind-of makes sense.

Almost all of my dreams involve me being persecuted in some way or 
other. So thinking about protection while I'm half asleep makes sense.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 04:23:18
Message: <4a0931f6$1@news.povray.org>
>> I have an alarming number of dreams that involve school even to this day 
>> - things like forgetting my locker combination, not being able to find 
>> classrooms, etc.  From my high school, not from college.
> 
> 	Exams are a common theme in mine. Either I show up having forgotten we
> have an exam. Or I'm at home, it's 1 pm, and I suddenly realize there's
> a 3 hour exam beginning at 12:30pm, and the rest of the dream is a mad
> rush to get there.
> 
> 	University + high school - both show up.

Hmm. Maybe it's because I never ever missed one single class during my 
entire time at college and university? Even the pointless ones. It never 
really occurred to me that it was *possible* to miss classes; I guess I 
thought I'd get detention or something. I don't know. It never really 
crossed my mind. I've always been such a *good* little boy. Very 
obedient. That's what comes from having very strict parents...

Plus, most of the actual exams I had to sit, I walked them. I know that 
sounds horribly arrogant, and some of the exams I didn't do very well. 
But mostly I was one of the first people to leave. (And then you stand 
there looking at all these people frantically working away and think 
"crap, what have I forgotten to do?")


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From: Kyle
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 08:51:05
Message: <4a0970b9$1@news.povray.org>
Chambers wrote:
> Have you ever gotten up for work, showered, gotten dressed, and went out 
> to wait for the bus only to realize that it's 3:30 in the morning, and 
> you could go back to sleep for 3 more hours?

When I get up in the morning for work, it's dark outside.  One day, I 
woke up to see a bit of daylight, realized I was late, got a shower, got 
dressed, and then walked out the door to darkness.  WTF?!?  I had fallen 
asleep in the afternoon and had woken up just before dark, thinking it 
was morning.  GRRR!!!


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 12:53:02
Message: <4a09a96e$1@news.povray.org>
mone wrote:
> Yes, me too. Just yesterday I dreamt I simply had forgotten to attend math
> classes for a couple of weeks and would have to repeat the whole year. :((

Funky. I always assumed it stemmed from the time I signed up for a class in 
college, went to it, and at the end of the semester got an incomplete for 
some other unrelated class. Apparently I'd put down the wrong code number 
when I signed up, attended AI class, and was actually signed up for ice 
hockey or some such nonsense.  Fortunately, it was trivial to straighten out.

> Those are mostly cool, like once I dreamt I had rented a very big and cheap flat
> that even had a cool ancient style swimming pool in the basement, like a roman
> bath, or something. And sometimes those flats have so many rooms you couldn't
> believe it and patios, verandas and things like that.

Cool. I thought I was the only one that had those dreams. Now I'll have to 
see if I can remember my other recurring themes and see how common it is.

I *have* had relatives who had secret passages in their houses. They were 
more "two entrances to the same attic" kind of secret passages then really 
"secret", but it impressed me at my young age. :-)

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 12:57:41
Message: <4a09aa85$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> (And then you stand
> there looking at all these people frantically working away and think 
> "crap, what have I forgotten to do?")

BTDT. Usually on the computer classes, tho.

I once sat a 45 minute test, finished in about 10 minutes. Went back and did 
it all again to check my work. Another 10 minutes. Turned the paper over and 
wrote (in a long spiral) the details of a dream I'd had, starting with "Did 
you know if you go to sleep in your dreams you ...."

Got the paper back a couple weeks later with the notation "100%.  No."

I had no idea what that second word was about until I turned the paper over 
and remembered having written that down. :-)

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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 14:54:11
Message: <4a09c5d3@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:

> It's more that, loosely speaking, encryption is a way of protecting 
> things from harm, and auditors are people who want to harm me. Thus, 
> following that pretty vague logic, this suggestion kind-of makes sense.

Wait, what? Auditors? Harm you? Paranoid much?

> Almost all of my dreams involve me being persecuted in some way or 
> other. So thinking about protection while I'm half asleep makes sense.

Hmm.

I've had the back in school 
ohcrapIdonthavewhatIneedforthisclasscrapcrapcrap dream many times.

Better than the recurring dream of showing to your high school naked.

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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 14:59:06
Message: <4a09c6fa@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:

> 
> Flying is pretty common for me.
> 

I've had several dreams where I'm attempting to land a 747 on a highway. 
   Usually I'm successful, then wind up taxiing the plane all around 
town, being careful not to snag any telephone poles.

NOTE: I have no clue how to fly a jet like that. If I'm ever at the 
controls of such a beast .... :/

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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 15:05:20
Message: <4a09c870$1@news.povray.org>
mone wrote:
> 
> Those are mostly cool, like once I dreamt I had rented a very big and cheap flat
> that even had a cool ancient style swimming pool in the basement, like a roman
> bath, or something. And sometimes those flats have so many rooms you couldn't
> believe it and patios, verandas and things like that.
> 

Oh, yeah... recurring theme as well. Generally either living in a huge 
house with lots of (very cool) underground secret passages, or shopping 
for houses and finding some gigantic monstrously big house that's right 
in my price range.... One was particularly bizarre, it had rooms at 
several different levels with stairs going up/down to each, and a 
doorway that went out to a series of catwalks on the roof. The catwalks 
connected to a room that was only accessible from the catwalks.

One of these days I need to put a pen and notepad next to my bed and 
document some of my dreams... many are wonderfully strange.

There was a recurring theme of piloting a spaceship for a while, with 
me, too.

Anyway ...



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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 16:20:01
Message: <4a09d9f1$2@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford wrote:

> I've had several dreams where I'm attempting to land a 747 on a highway. 
>   Usually I'm successful, then wind up taxiing the plane all around 
> town, being careful not to snag any telephone poles.

WTF-O-Meter: 5.5

> NOTE: I have no clue how to fly a jet like that. If I'm ever at the 
> controls of such a beast .... :/

Heh. I like the one a while back where I had a dream that I was playing 
a large, powerful pipe organ, and I accidentally killed somebody. o_O

That was when I realised I was maybe spending a *biiit* too much time 
obsessing about pipe organs...

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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 16:21:14
Message: <4a09da3a$1@news.povray.org>
>> It's more that, loosely speaking, encryption is a way of protecting 
>> things from harm, and auditors are people who want to harm me. Thus, 
>> following that pretty vague logic, this suggestion kind-of makes sense.
> 
> Wait, what? Auditors? Harm you? Paranoid much?

Well, it *is* their job to prove that I'm doing my job wrong. Not 
physical harm, obviously, but phychologically you still perceive trying 
to get you fired as pretty hostile behaviour, yes.

> Better than the recurring dream of showing to your high school naked.

OK, has anybody here *ever* had that??

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 16:56:27
Message: <4a09e27b$1@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford wrote:
> Oh, yeah... recurring theme as well. Generally either living in a huge 
> house with lots of (very cool) underground secret passages, or shopping 
> for houses and finding some gigantic monstrously big house that's right 
> in my price range.... 

Any good packages (better than Blender, say) for modeling such a thing and 
building a 3D walkthru?  I tried it with a custom front-end to POV, but the 
need to do bounding made it really tedious. Maybe I'll redo it without using 
real lighting and it'll render at more than pixels-per-hour without 
excessive work.

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From: mone
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 17:10:00
Message: <web.4a09e50d5d6289cb27d9bb2d0@news.povray.org>
Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:

> I once sat a 45 minute test, finished in about 10 minutes. Went back and did
> it all again to check my work. Another 10 minutes. Turned the paper over and
> wrote (in a long spiral) the details of a dream I'd had, starting with "Did
> you know if you go to sleep in your dreams you ...."
>


..... wake up?  :))
I remember that being my favorite technique as a child when being persecuted in
a dream and it worked well in most cases, just had to close my eyes in the
dream and very soon woke up.
Although sometimes, especially some years later, there were these fake "wake up"
dreams when I thought I had just woken up, being back in my room. Usually I
noticed some little weird detail in the room, and concluded (rightly) that I
was still dreaming. The devil is in the details, as one says ... ;))
Sometimes this process was repeated and that was a really annoying situation,
hanging somewhere between a dream and the real world like in an badly
implemented while-loop ... fortunately there was no memory leak :))


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From: mone
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 17:30:00
Message: <web.4a09e9e95d6289cb27d9bb2d0@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford <"m[raiford]!at"@gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh, yeah... recurring theme as well. Generally either living in a huge
> house with lots of (very cool) underground secret passages, or shopping
> for houses and finding some gigantic monstrously big house that's right
> in my price range.... One was particularly bizarre, it had rooms at
> several different levels with stairs going up/down to each, and a
> doorway that went out to a series of catwalks on the roof. The catwalks
> connected to a room that was only accessible from the catwalks.
>
> One of these days I need to put a pen and notepad next to my bed and
> document some of my dreams... many are wonderfully strange.
>

I can recommend that. It can be quite amusing reading it again after a year or
so when you have completely forgotten about it. But then when reading it again
it's a bit like being back there because somehow the "look and feel" of the
situation seems to be more attached to the memory than usually, when remembering
real world situations, at least that was sometimes my impression.


> There was a recurring theme of piloting a spaceship for a while, with
> me, too.

Enviable :). I only can remember that I had to drive a car with broken brakes on
some occasions :(


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 17:55:00
Message: <web.4a09efa05d6289cb1f9594820@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I also have no clue what "firefly" is all about - so the last half dozen
> strips made no sense at all.

Gee - you haven't seen the "firefly" series?

You missed something. Make sure to get at least one episode at your local
rent-a-video one of these days.

(Haven't seen the movie though; but I bet it's worth it, too.)

A very unique atmosphere. I think there's nothing even remotely comparable. I
might say, "a mix of wild-west movies, sci-fi and a bit of mystery series", but
even that doesn't really hit the mark. You just gotta see it to know it.


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From: Kevin Wampler
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 18:01:19
Message: <4a09f1af@news.povray.org>
clipka wrote:
> A very unique atmosphere. I think there's nothing even remotely comparable.

I think Cowboy Bebop at least comes close.  Buy yes, Firefly was a great 
show.


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From: Kevin Wampler
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 18:04:58
Message: <4a09f28a$1@news.povray.org>
Talking about dreams, does anyone have dreams with plots/locations 
spanning multiple sleeping cycles which you can't remember while awake? 
  I'll occasionally have a dream, and realize that it's a continuation 
of a previous dream(s) that I had forgotten about.  The few people Ive 
mentioned it to haven't experienced it, but I can't imagine it's all the 
uncommon.

Also fun: recursive dreams (but these are pretty rare for me).


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 18:05:00
Message: <web.4a09f1c85d6289cb1f9594820@news.povray.org>
Kyle <no### [at] spamok> wrote:
> When I get up in the morning for work, it's dark outside.  One day, I
> woke up to see a bit of daylight, realized I was late, got a shower, got
> dressed, and then walked out the door to darkness.  WTF?!?  I had fallen
> asleep in the afternoon and had woken up just before dark, thinking it
> was morning.  GRRR!!!

Yeah, that *almost* occurred to me rather frequently. There was a time when I
used to have some busy Sunday mornings, and fall asleep like dead on the couch
in the afternoon; then, waking up at about 8 o'clock, I'd be like "shit, I'm
late!" - only to realize a bit later that it was still Sunday PM, not Monday
AM... always scared me wide awake though, so I'd be sober enough to realize my
error within a few moments :P


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 18:15:34
Message: <4a09f506@news.povray.org>
Mueen Nawaz wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> That, and being in big old rambling houses with secret passages and cool
>> stuff like that. Not scary, tho. :-)
> 
> Back in the days of playing Doom 2 (the last 3D shoot'em up game I
> played seriously), I'd have lots of dreams where I was the main guy in
> the game, running around and shooting monsters. Lots and lots of fun.
> Always would end with a monster that didn't seem to want to die. Even
> then, it was still more fun than scary.

Happened to me multiple times that, after playing Riven for a few days I
dreamed of being there. Well, not really there, but similar worlds.


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From: Mueen Nawaz
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 18:16:42
Message: <4a09f54a$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> Better than the recurring dream of showing to your high school naked.
> 
> OK, has anybody here *ever* had that??

	Plenty of times. Not limited to HS, either.

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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 18:18:37
Message: <4a09f5bd@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> mone wrote:
>> Those are mostly cool, like once I dreamt I had rented a very big and
>> cheap flat that even had a cool ancient style swimming pool in the
>> basement, like a roman bath, or something. And sometimes those flats have
>> so many rooms you couldn't believe it and patios, verandas and things
>> like that.
> 
> Cool. I thought I was the only one that had those dreams. Now I'll have to
> see if I can remember my other recurring themes and see how common it is.
> 
> I *have* had relatives who had secret passages in their houses. They were
> more "two entrances to the same attic" kind of secret passages then really
> "secret", but it impressed me at my young age. :-)

Has anyone ever tried making a POV model of "worlds" you've seen in dreams?


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From: Mueen Nawaz
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 18:19:02
Message: <4a09f5d6$1@news.povray.org>
clipka wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> I also have no clue what "firefly" is all about - so the last half dozen
>> strips made no sense at all.
> 
> Gee - you haven't seen the "firefly" series?
> 
> You missed something. Make sure to get at least one episode at your local
> rent-a-video one of these days.

	Pity he doesn't have access to Hulu. They're all there.

	Actually, I'd just say watch the movie ("Serenity"). Almost everyone I
know found it to be far superior than the series (which was also good).
If he doesn't like the movie, there's no way he'll like the series.

> (Haven't seen the movie though; but I bet it's worth it, too.)

	Much more so. Had I seen the series first, I may not have considered
watching the movie.


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From: Mueen Nawaz
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 18:20:29
Message: <4a09f62d@news.povray.org>
Kevin Wampler wrote:
> Talking about dreams, does anyone have dreams with plots/locations
> spanning multiple sleeping cycles which you can't remember while awake?
>  I'll occasionally have a dream, and realize that it's a continuation of
> a previous dream(s) that I had forgotten about.  The few people Ive
> mentioned it to haven't experienced it, but I can't imagine it's all the
> uncommon.

	Within the same night - sure. As in get up for a drink of water or
something, and then resume the dream.

	Continuation of a dream that occurred on a different night - I think it
happened, but it's extremely rare for me.


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From: Kevin Wampler
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 18:26:55
Message: <4a09f7af$1@news.povray.org>
Mueen Nawaz wrote:
> 	Continuation of a dream that occurred on a different night - I think it
> happened, but it's extremely rare for me.

This is more what I meant -- sometimes the earlier dream will have 
happened months or years ago.  This is admittedly relatively rare for me 
too.


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From: Kevin Wampler
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 18:28:17
Message: <4a09f801$1@news.povray.org>
Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Has anyone ever tried making a POV model of "worlds" you've seen in dreams?

I've started the process a few times, but never gotten anywhere 
interesting. I generally find that when I'm trying to recreate something 
that wasn't designed or ease of modeling from the get-go then my skills 
aren't up to the task.


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 18:40:00
Message: <web.4a09fa8e5d6289cb1f9594820@news.povray.org>
"mone" <mon### [at] alienenterprisesde> wrote:
> Enviable :). I only can remember that I had to drive a car with broken brakes on
> some occasions :(

Hm... my "sleep cars" never had bad brakes. But occasionally I'd be dreaming to
be driving down a slope, and not able to step on the brake hard enough to bring
the car to a full halt. Always managed to avoid any accidents, but more often
than not that was just because I kind of convinced myself during the course of
any such crash that it was a bad idea to be having it, and better continue in a
"revised edition" of the dream :P

As far as flying is concerned, I never needed planes for that. Just concentrate,
and rise myself up into the air :D (It very much felt like lifting some weight,
only that I seemed to be using muscles different from those commonly known to
anatomy experts)


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 18:55:00
Message: <web.4a09fd4e5d6289cb1f9594820@news.povray.org>
Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Has anyone ever tried making a POV model of "worlds" you've seen in dreams?

Hm... now that you mention it, I might enjoy modelling a few scenes from a
particularly impressive dream I once had. But I'll not say anything about it -
it's too emotional for me, and indeed needs images instead of words.


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From: Tim Cook
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 18:58:38
Message: <4a09ff1e$1@news.povray.org>
Kevin Wampler wrote:
> clipka wrote:
>> A very unique atmosphere. I think there's nothing even remotely 
>> comparable.
> 
> I think Cowboy Bebop at least comes close.  Buy yes, Firefly was a great 
> show.

The genre is "space western", and Firefly does it a bit more ham-handed 
literally than some.  Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star, Gun X Sword, Trigun, 
are others, as is the universe of "Galactic Railway" series (good grief, 
http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=764 ), Bravestarr, 
Silverhawks, Space Rangers, technically Star Trek falls into this 
category a bit, Star Wars a bit more...

So, yeah.  It's more common than you might think.

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From: mone
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 19:15:01
Message: <web.4a0a027c5d6289cb27d9bb2d0@news.povray.org>
"clipka" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> "mone" <mon### [at] alienenterprisesde> wrote:
> > Enviable :). I only can remember that I had to drive a car with broken brakes on
> > some occasions :(
>
> Hm... my "sleep cars" never had bad brakes. But occasionally I'd be dreaming to
> be driving down a slope, and not able to step on the brake hard enough to bring
> the car to a full halt.

Yes, as you mention it, I remember this kind of bad cars too. Maybe the brakes
were not completely "broken" but not strong enough.

>
> As far as flying is concerned, I never needed planes for that. Just concentrate,
> and rise myself up into the air :D (It very much felt like lifting some weight,
> only that I seemed to be using muscles different from those commonly known to
> anatomy experts)

I know this flying thing, too but not on purpose, the ability was there or it
wasn't. It was rather like a sort of floating or swimming in air. In so far
that it was possible to push away from a solid object (just like in a swimming
pool from the wall) and than keeping the inertia and movement just by some
small movement. Maybe comparable to ice-skaters when they try to spin around
there own axis as long as possible.
Cool thread, btw :)). And rather strange, all the similarities between dream
situations ...


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 21:56:10
Message: <4a0a28ba$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 12 May 2009 15:04:58 -0700, Kevin Wampler wrote:

> Talking about dreams, does anyone have dreams with plots/locations
> spanning multiple sleeping cycles which you can't remember while awake?

Rarely, but I have had this happen.  Often times when it does happen it's 
two subsequent sleep periods interrupted by being awake for a few 
minutes, and often the dream is lucid - and that's the reason I go back 
to sleep, to try to see what happens.

Recursive dreams are just weird.

I have a friend from years ago who used to keep a dream journal.  He 
remembers distinctly waking up one night and writing about the dream in 
the journal, but when he woke up the next morning, the pages were blank.  
He'd apparently had a dream in the dream, dreamed that he had woken up 
and written his entry and then gone back to sleep.

He said it was quite a pity, because he remembered the dream-in-a-dream 
was good but not what it was.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 22:00:57
Message: <4a0a29d9@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 12 May 2009 13:56:07 -0500, Mike Raiford wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
> 
>> Flying is pretty common for me.
>> 
>> 
> I've had several dreams where I'm attempting to land a 747 on a highway.
>    Usually I'm successful, then wind up taxiing the plane all around
> town, being careful not to snag any telephone poles.

Mine tend to be without the aid of aircraft.  Just floating/flying, 
seeing my neighborhood from a bird's-eye-view.

> NOTE: I have no clue how to fly a jet like that. If I'm ever at the
> controls of such a beast .... :/

Get on the radio and call the nearest tower (hopefully the frequency set 
correctly) and ask for the vectors to an airport with an instrument 
landing system.  Ask for the frequency of the ILS on the active runway 
and the tower frequency (so you can notify the tower you need to make an 
emergency landing).  Ask the tower for a precision radar approach to the 
ILS.

Use the autopilot heavily to adjust altitude, heading, and airspeed.  Set 
the NAV1 radio to the ILS frequency and set the autopilot to use the NAV1.

Set the autopilot also to follow the glidescope.

And make damned sure the altimeter setting is correct.  You don't want to 
hit the ground until the right moment.

Oh, and put the landing gear down.  That helps.

(Can you tell I spend too much time flying simulators?  And in particular 
747s?)

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 22:05:48
Message: <4a0a2afc$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 12 May 2009 09:20:01 +0100, Invisible wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>> And today's was quite good as well, but it helps if you've heard the
>> Car Talk radio programme (we listen to the podcast every week - think
>> of Tom & Ray as being the geekier cousins (who know more about how cars
>> work as a result of an engineering background) of the guys on Top
>> Gear).
> 
> I have no idea what you're talking about.

http://www.cartalk.com

> I also have no clue what "firefly" is all about - so the last half dozen
> strips made no sense at all.

http://tinyurl.com/8vu9n

and

http://tinyurl.com/3xp32

Both very good, highly recommended viewing.

>>> Heh. I keep wanting to encrypt by brain to stop the auditors from
>>> trying to steal it...
>> 
>> LOL, you would certainly want to use an anti-heuristic algorithm, just
>> to confuse them.
> 
> It's more that, loosely speaking, encryption is a way of protecting
> things from harm, and auditors are people who want to harm me. Thus,
> following that pretty vague logic, this suggestion kind-of makes sense.

That does make a certain amount of sense, yes.

> Almost all of my dreams involve me being persecuted in some way or
> other. So thinking about protection while I'm half asleep makes sense.

:-(

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 22:06:19
Message: <4a0a2b1b$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 12 May 2009 17:52:32 -0400, clipka wrote:

> (Haven't seen the movie though; but I bet it's worth it, too.)

Oh yes, it is.  We saw it in pre-release and then bought the DVD.

River Tam kicks *ass*.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 22:08:18
Message: <4a0a2b92@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 12 May 2009 21:21:20 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>> Wait, what? Auditors? Harm you? Paranoid much?
> 
> Well, it *is* their job to prove that I'm doing my job wrong

Well, no, not really.  It's their job to prove your company is following 
the laws that they're required to and to document areas where compliance 
isn't being met.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 22:10:04
Message: <4a0a2bfc$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 12 May 2009 09:23:18 +0100, Invisible wrote:

> Hmm. Maybe it's because I never ever missed one single class during my
> entire time at college and university? Even the pointless ones. It never
> really occurred to me that it was *possible* to miss classes; I guess I
> thought I'd get detention or something. I don't know. It never really
> crossed my mind. I've always been such a *good* little boy. Very
> obedient. That's what comes from having very strict parents...

God, this sounds familiar.

The weird dreams I had relating to school recently had to do with me 
skipping out on an entire semester of some sort of American History class 
because the topic was boring to me, and then showing up to take the final.

Weird.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 22:13:08
Message: <4a0a2cb4$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 12 May 2009 09:57:39 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> I once sat a 45 minute test, finished in about 10 minutes. Went back and
> did it all again to check my work. Another 10 minutes.

That's one of the things that always got me in those classes - I'd also 
often get done so early I wondered what I'd missed.

I did a certification test a few years ago that I did this on - exam was 
2.5 hours long, I finished in 15 minutes.  So I checked my work - good 
thing I did, because I did actually miss something, and ended up crashing 
the test environment trying to fix it.

If it hadn't been for a configuration error in the exam environment, I 
would've been outta there in 15 minutes.  Fixing a series of cascading 
failures due to the configuration error took me another 2:15, at which 
time the exam crashed hard.

I was quite pissed about it because I'd scheduled the exam time 30 
minutes before my normal lunchtime.  So I was very hungry by the time it 
crashed.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 22:14:18
Message: <4a0a2cfa$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 11 May 2009 19:06:16 -0700, Chambers wrote:

> On 5/11/2009 3:49 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> I had a weird experience a week ago last Saturday - don't know what I
>> was dreaming about, but I woke up convinced I had forgotten to check
>> and see what time I needed to be up for a meeting, took me a couple of
>> mins to realise that it was Saturday.
> 
> Have you ever gotten up for work, showered, gotten dressed, and went out
> to wait for the bus only to realize that it's 3:30 in the morning, and
> you could go back to sleep for 3 more hours?

Can't say I've done that.  Of course I walk to work 95% of the time these 
days (about 25 feet), and the rest of the time I drive 45 miles to the 
office.

So I can say I've gotten out of bed and stumbled to the home office 
before realizing that it wasn't a workday.  Does that count?

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 22:15:39
Message: <4a0a2d4b$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 12 May 2009 08:51:01 -0400, Kyle wrote:

> Chambers wrote:
>> Have you ever gotten up for work, showered, gotten dressed, and went
>> out to wait for the bus only to realize that it's 3:30 in the morning,
>> and you could go back to sleep for 3 more hours?
> 
> When I get up in the morning for work, it's dark outside.  One day, I
> woke up to see a bit of daylight, realized I was late, got a shower, got
> dressed, and then walked out the door to darkness.  WTF?!?  I had fallen
> asleep in the afternoon and had woken up just before dark, thinking it
> was morning.  GRRR!!!

I hate when that happens.  I do that on occasion.

Once (when I was teaching) I was flying home from Columbus, OH (via 
Cincinatti, OH) and I fell asleep before the plane took off and woke up 
after it had landed.  I don't remember the take-off or landing at all, 
just being in a moving airplane.

When I woke up, I had no idea where I was (other than "on a plane").

Jim


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From: Kevin Wampler
Subject: Re: That XKCD thing
Date: 12 May 2009 22:17:57
Message: <4a0a2dd5$1@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> I have a friend from years ago who used to keep a dream journal.  He 
> remembers distinctly waking up one night and writing about the dream in 
> the journal, but when he woke up the next morning, the pages were blank.  
> He'd apparently had a dream in the dream, dreamed that he had woken up 
> and written his entry and then gone back to sleep.
> 
> He said it was quite a pity, because he remembered the dream-in-a-dream 
> was good but not what it was.

I love it!


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